Permanent Fix for the plastic window tabs

[SBC]

Being a metal fabricator i took one look at the problem of the plastic tabs that hold the window in the track and came up with a permanent solution for the plastic tabs that break!
Made of metal and its all one piece so there is more contact area to glue the glass in.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/IMG_0028.jpg
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/IMG_0029.jpg
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com/vx.htm

[Dino]

Nice work SBC. We're in the same trade. :p

[Pghachey]

What would you guys charge for a matching set for my windows? I know I will need to do something down the line and this sure does make alot of sense. Thanks ;)

[crager34]

This is my exact issue (this time) so... what will you charge to make another and ship it?

[PHO2GR4]

Best start cranking those babies out and get yourself a PayPal account. Those are gonna sell like potato chips.

Heavy, metal potato chips.

[Dino]

If he doesn't, I will! :p

[Knigh7s]

I'd be down for a pair. I'm getting sick and tired of reglueing those clips back on. The damn heat keeps melting it when I park at the airport parking (where i work). I just reglued this past weekend! ARRGH!! and its 'pozed to be hight temp glue!

[CrnCnn]

Id be in for a set. :)

[WyrreJ]

Put me down for two sets.

[Dino]

There is a link on his post...

http://www.streetboutiquecustoms.com/

Check it out! There's a contacts link on the page. :cool:

[Knigh7s]

There is a link on his post...

http://www.streetboutiquecustoms.com/

Check it out! There's a contacts link on the page. :cool:

And you can see the VX in the background!

[VCAMILO]

Im down for a set...

[Bulldoggie]

Since you slotted the holes for bolting through, I would make the slots for horizontal adjustment. (side to side) (not vertical)

[creeg]

One thing I would suggest:

the original plastic tabs had a texture to them, which allowed the glue to "stick" to it. Also, Im not sure, but I THINK the glue dissolved the plastic a little to allow for better bonding. Metal- not so much.

So I would suggest that you add a bunch of drill holes so that when you put the glue in, it gets squeezed through the holes and doesnt come loose. Ever.

[Ascinder]

My windows are fine..........for now,but I am definitely down for a set to hedge against future problems.

[SBC]

I could make more sets up for all those that would like some.....Need to make a jig and get metal then paint them.......
Time is a factor for me as i dont have alot of it to spare......i see some midnight hours about to be burnt...........Guess i need to take a poll as to the price that sounds reasonable to you guys before i invest any money/time into making these!
Also.....the inside of the C-Channel has a rough grind on it to grip the window glue! thought about drilling holes when i was making them but decided against it as i wanted glue to push out the sides and onto the glass instead of out and away......I used industrial stregnth hot glue !!!!! seems to be holding just fine so far ! And it has been 110-118 degrees here in mesa the last couple weeks.
Let me know what you guys think about cost on these??????
You can email me directly if you wish
streetboutique@hotmail.com
Tim

[VXD959]

I also need them! Count me in for your "economies of scale" pricing! :thumbup:

[Jonnie]

Me!

[rowhard]

I don't need a pair today, but tomorrow is just around the corner. Count me in if the price is right.

[WyrreJ]

Let me know what you guys think about

I don't have a clue what fabrication costs run and thus couldn't make you a reasonable offer.

How about you figure out what it would cost to make a batch of various sizes like 10 pieces, 25 pieces and 50 pieces and then tack on how much your time is worth, multiply that all by ~150% to account for unexpected surprises and then let us all know the price point for each size batch.

[SBC]

I don't have a clue what fabrication costs run and thus couldn't make you a reasonable offer.

How about you figure out what it would cost to make a batch of various sizes like 10 pieces, 25 pieces and 50 pieces and then tack on how much your time is worth, multiply that all by ~150% to account for unexpected surprises and then let us all know the price point for each size batch.

I charge in my shop $65-75 an hour for fabrication!!! these little brackets take me a little over an hour to make,Cut/Weld/Grind/Paint then cost of steel which isnt that much and i will also need to include new mounting bolts and nuts......
So going off regular shop rates that would put them at a rather unattractive price to most!
Just gonna have to take a hit on these as far as hourly wise and just do it at night when i close up shop.....
I will set the price at $49.00 shipped.....anywhere in the lower 48
this being a holiday my metal supplier is closed up so all i have for the next couple days in steel is enough to make 4 sets!! Tomorrow i will put up a page on my website so anyone interested could order thru paypal.......
Tim

[VXD959]

Fair. I'm in.

[rowhard]

Just wondering, will this also fix the window tilt problem? Am thinking its bulldoggie that fixed the problem with offsetting the hole slightly to change the way it worked. Is that something you have incorporated in this design or is it not a issue.

[RAZ]

Soulds fair I'm in for a set!

[kpaske]

That's the fundamental question... Does the design address the tilt problem, or could they be modified to allow for adjustments left and right?

If this is a permanent fix, I'm definitely in, and $49.00 shipped is more than fair.

[PHO2GR4]

In for a set! My passenger window sux, and the driver's side is getting wanky.

Let us know about the tilt adjustment factor, too, if you took that into consideration! Thanks for doing this. Nice work!

[Knigh7s]

$49! I'm most definitely in!

[SBC]

Just wondering, will this also fix the window tilt problem? Am thinking its bulldoggie that fixed the problem with offsetting the hole slightly to change the way it worked. Is that something you have incorporated in this design or is it not a issue.
When i made my first set i punched the mounting holes for Vertiacl Adjustments!!!! It didnt help the tilt problem at all..still tilts slightly!!!! Im working on a solution to the tilting but that will have nothing to do with the clips, the tilt has more to do with the play in the piece that connects to the cable !!! in my case anyways..............There will be holes for Horizontal Adjustments only.
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[SBC]

www.streetboutiquecustoms.com
Taking orders now for the replacement window clips
Link to the VX page is on my website just below the customergallery.
These mounting clips are slotted for Horizontal Adjustments.
Just starting to get these into production for you guys so bare with me please, I will be building these as fast as i can...
Tim Parker

[rowhard]

Tim, I have had a few jar's of kentucky's finest, sooooooooooooooo,... maybe I'm not see your website below the customer's gallery. Anyway, made for horiz. adjustment, that means the tilt problem right? Some are in need right now, so will stay in touch since mine are well lubed, or is it me that is,... not sure right now, but it is the 4th so who gives a hoot.

[VXD959]

Payment sent!!!

Rowhard: it is the link under the customer gallery (same page, is the last link that says VX)

[SBC]

Rowhard was drinking and was looking for my VX link under gallery's here....LOL
Got your payment.......Thanks!
Got four sets right now with the paint drying........will be sending yours out tomorrow.
For everyone else you can order here
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com
Click on the VX link under MY customer gallery
Tim

[PHO2GR4]

Done and DONE!

Payment sent. It'll be nice to have working windows again, in time for summer!!!

Thanks!

[RAZ]

I can't find it . Are they gone or I will paypal you tommorow.
But I want a set.
THANKS STEVE

[crager34]

When you open up his site, the options are on the left side. You need to scroll down using the slider (not the correct term I am sure) next to the options and you will see it there.

Payment sent and thanks for working these up.

[Bulldoggie]

When i made my first set i punched the mounting holes for Vertiacl Adjustments!!!! It didnt help the tilt problem at all..still tilts slightly!!!! Im working on a solution to the tilting but that will have nothing to do with the clips, the tilt has more to do with the play in the piece that connects to the cable !!! in my case anyways..............There will be holes for Horizontal Adjustments only.
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

Horizontal adjustment and "spacers" for the "play" is all the adjustments needed.
I'm glad your addressing the horizontal problem.

[RAZ]

OK I still cant see where to pay. Under custmer gallery is nothing but VISA and PAYPAL logo's. How am I missing it?
THANKS STEVE

[VXD959]

Look to the link after/underneath the gallery..keep scrolling down (don't click on the gallery link, it's under that link...) The name of the link is VX...Hopefully you will find it this time.

[JHarris1385]

My only window problem is that it tilts forward when rasing the window. Does this fix that problem. I didnt see a clear answer.

[tom4bren]

The brackets should be a vast improvement on the tilting but I don't think it will cure all of your woes. Remember that you will still have glass sliding up a channel of rubber (under pressure). You will still need to perform regular lubrication or spread the channel to relieve the pressure. Hopefully I'll be able to swap out the passenger side rubber on mine with felt (I've already done the drivers side with great success) and take some pix next week.

Any of you who snikered and had unclean thoughts when you read this - shame on you. I was trying to be technical but laughed when I proof read it.

BTW, I'll be ordering a set too but I'm not in a rush for delivery.

[SBC]

My only window problem is that it tilts forward when raising the window. Does this fix that problem. I didn't see a clear answer.
I haven't found a cure for the Tilt (On Mine)by adjusting the brackets!!! The tilt in my glass is cause by to much play on the mounting bracket that is connected to the cable.......I made the Metal Clips to (replace) the plastic ones cause the plastic ones were braking! In Bulldoggies case adjusting the clips on his seemed to have cured his tilt problem...so i made horizontal notch's in the metal clips so you guys can play with the adjustments and there is enough metal to grind out if you would like to make vertical notch's as well.
But like i said....adjusting the clips on mine did not cure the problem so when i get time i will look at the other part of the roller and come up with a fix.
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[SBC]

OK I still cant see where to pay. Under custmer gallery is nothing but VISA and PAYPAL logo's. How am I missing it?
THANKS STEVE
You may need to clear your cache if you visited my site before the new link was up!!!!! or here is a direct link to the VX page by itself
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com/vx.htm

[rowhard]

No, I wasn't looking in this gallery but the one for the home page for Street Boutique Custom.

[RAZ]

Thanks that link worked payment sent!
STEVE

[SBC]

Got 8 sets made as of this evening......and 8 orders gonna be sent out tomorrow!!!!! Looks like no one is gonna be waiting on me to build these !!! :cool:
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[darkl4805]

49 each window or 49 for a pair?

[SBC]

49 each window or 49 for a pair?
$49 for the pair...plus new mounting bolts

[Pghachey]

Thanks for doing this. Payment sent through PayPal.

Does sending payment always redirect you to Tim parker and thank you for pruchasing AirTribe? Just curious, because I don't own a Motorcycle. ;)

[SBC]

Thanks for doing this. Payment sent through PayPal.

Does sending payment always redirect you to Tim parker and thank you for pruchasing AirTribe? Just curious, because I don't own a Motorcycle. ;)
Yeah! .....i just added these VX brackets to my AirTribe paypal account.......just easier to get the ball rolling and these brackets out to everyone that needs them.
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[Dino]

Ummmmm I just noticed, there's no vertical adjustment. Remember the trick of getting the front a little higher??? The window tends to drag on the front channel and tilting up it slightly on the front mount helps.

I guess you could just drill out the regulator arm instead...

Just food for thought.

Good for you SBC! ;)

I do all my stuff at work, no garage at home just yet. Soon though, very soon. :cool:

[SBC]

Ummmmm I just noticed, there's no vertical adjustment. Remember the trick of getting the front a little higher??? The window tends to drag on the front channel and tilting up it slightly on the front mount helps.

I guess you could just drill out the regulator arm instead...

Just food for thought.

Good for you SBC! ;)

I do all my stuff at work, no garage at home just yet. Soon though, very soon. :cool:
Read back on all the post's !!!
i tried the vertical adjustments on mine and it didnt help the tilt problems....
the brackets im making now have notchs for horizontal adjustments only and enough room for the the buyer to notch it for vertical adjustment if need be...
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[Dino]

Cool!!! :)

[Bulldoggie]

Ummmmm I just noticed, there's no vertical adjustment. Remember the trick of getting the front a little higher??? The window tends to drag on the front channel and tilting up it slightly on the front mount helps.


Bart's fix; of tilting the front edge up, to lessen the drag in the front. Is better accomplished by moving the glass to the rear. (horizontaly)
The glass should stay level to fit the opening.
Only when the glass tilts down in front when raising, is this adjustment needed.

The binding, pinching rubber, broken tabs, "PLAY", can all be adjusted with the "spacers".

I do have a question about the Nylon pad in the middle of the regulator lift arm. (that the glass should rest on when adjusted properly)
Will the glass still rest on the middle of the arm if there is a bar connecting the window tabs? Or is the bar away from the glass edge? Is this a potential issue? Is there a potental need to "grind" a half moon area in the middle to fit this?
If you do the "spacer" adjustment so the glass rests on the arm (unbolted) will your window tabs still fit?
Should members be told to make sure the Connecting bar is glued "away" from the lift arm side of the glass?
Is the connecting bar a channel?

These questions could all be address by cutting the middle portion out!

[SBC]

The connecting bar is a C-Channel.
There are half moon Notchs in the middle ! not on the ones in my pictures as i took those pictures before i did the install into my VX...Before i made a few adjustments to the Brackets ! Like the half moon in the middle and the horizontal notchs...Just didnt take pictures of the final peice cause i couldnt get a good shot of them inside the door...had other work to perform in the shop and needed to pull my car out, so i did the adjustments without taking the windows out completely.
As far as shims? vertical adjustments? I've read all the threads on these fix's before i took my glass out! I tried every thing that has been discussed and none has help with my tilt problem..(So i cant say by adjusting it vertically or horizontally or with shims will fix the tilt problem).Thats why i left enough Metal to notch out if the end user decides they want to try notching it out more one way or the other !
The Metal clips i made fit just like the plastic ones except its all one peice as i see that to be more sturdy and more reliable then plastic as it can be glued one full lenght rather then at two seperate points!
In my case of the tilt problem has nothing to do with the adjustment to my glass...There is to much play at the center point where the window mounts! i will address this problem when i get some time..........I made the metal clips to address the Broken plastic tab problem and the hassel of just replacing them with NEW plastic tabs that will just brake in the future,,,,,,
I sent out 8 orders yesterday....so im sure by the end of next week we will be getting some feedback on these brackets as to how they are working out in other case's !!!!!!!!!
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[Bulldoggie]

Tim,
It is good to hear that you have address my concerns. I think you have done a great job.
It sounds like the play in your window should be fixed with the washer "spacer" fix. I wish I was close enough to help you with that.

[SBC]

((((I do have a question about the Nylon pad in the middle of the regulator lift arm. (that the glass should rest on when adjusted properly)))))

To answer that question!! Isuzu designed the glass to rest on the center plastic tab because..................There was no other center support for the glass! With the metal Replacements its all one peice, So the glass is supported from one mounting point to the other! The metal bracket is cut out to clear the center plastic tab.

Its just a real pile of dog poo the whole design! and i cant beleive the engineers put that in our VX's and called it good.

The glass should mount one way without any play or binding at all, Shims-Adjustments things like that might cure it for some....might work better for some and not for others.......Its not a 100% fix for all....thats what im after.....something that i can say...HERE this will work for that purpose........Like the Metal clips i made!!! that will cure the problem of the broken plastic ones and the hassel of finding replacement ones that will be plastic when you do find them!!!
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[SBC]

Tim,
It is good to hear that you have address my concerns. I think you have done a great job.
It sounds like the play in your window should be fixed with the washer "spacer" fix. I wish I was close enough to help you with that.
I tried the spacer fix.....still tilts slightly so im not happy.......LOL
i would like to see the inside of another VX (in Person)and see if it is wearing on the track the same as mine...just to much play in mine! Will get a chance next week to pull it apart again and pull the whole thing out to see what i can do about it...
Thanks Bulldoggie
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[Dino]

Like I said before SBC, we're in the same trade... and I guess our minds are alike because I see the Isuzu regulator the same way you do. IT'S CRAP!!

I have wear on the center alignment nylon parts. Bad design. :mad:
A regulator with guide width of about 1.75" with a moment arm over 16" on three little points of nylon!!!!

To expect that to last more than a year or two without significant wear is nonsense. ALL of mine have hairline fractures in them at seven years old. ALL of the plastic tabs were broken. This was my fix.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/Dino_s_window_clip_mod2.jpg

So here we are, with all these window problems caused by three points of contact that aren't even close to the form following the function.

I'm also brainstorming a whole new regulator SBC. Should be fun to see how we each solve the problem. ;)

[Pghachey]

You guys are awesome to take the time to not only find a fix for a problem we all share but to share your fixes with us including detailed pictures. Thx

[Bulldoggie]

I tried the spacer fix.....still tilts slightly so im not happy.......LOL
i would like to see the inside of another VX (in Person)and see if it is wearing on the track the same as mine...just to much play in mine! Will get a chance next week to pull it apart again and pull the whole thing out to see what i can do about it...
Thanks Bulldoggie
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

It is possible that the plastic guides on your lift arm track are worn beyond their porpose. most likely the one that has a thin slot that rides the edge of the track. (this is the one that controls vertical alignment) the other guide wraps around the other edge and holds the arm close to the track. You might pull the panel on the other door and compare the wear on the arm guides. I have no fix for these two plastic (nylon) guide pieces. If you cannot make your own, you may have to buy a complete regulator to get those pieces.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P10100071.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/P10100071.JPG)
Sorry it's not a very good picture.

[SBC]

It is possible that the plastic guides on your lift arm track are worn beyond their porpose. most likely the one that has a thin slot that rides the edge of the track. (this is the one that controls vertical alignment) the other guide wraps around the other edge and holds the arm close to the track. You might pull the panel on the other door and compare the wear on the arm guides. I have no fix for these two plastic (nylon) guide pieces. If you cannot make your own, you may have to buy a complete regulator to get those pieces.
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P10100071.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/P10100071.JPG)
Sorry it's not a very good picture.
Yep same as mine to much play in that spot!.....Just gonna figure a way to fix that little problem of the guides by adding a roller to it or something like that......Just like with the clips I will build somthing rather then buying a replacement so i dont end up with the same problem a year or two down the road!
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[darkl4805]

Recevied in the mail today, thanks!

I'll put them in this weekend.

[SBC]

Cool....let me know how they work out for you
Tim
www.streetboutiquecustoms.com

[darkl4805]

Worked like a charm! Tilting problem completely solved! I only installed in the passenger door because my driver side doesn't have any problems. Will install in the driver side once it starts going.

[VCAMILO]

Payment has been sent!

[JHarris1385]

Dark- So this cured the tilting problem? My passenger window tilts forward when raising. Would this cure it?

Also how easy is this install and what other parts accesories are needed to complete it?

Thanks.

[darkl4805]

My window would tilt to the left (looking at the door from inside the car). I would hear a major wind noise inside the cab unless I manually tilted it back.

I used a razor blade to cut it off the existing plastic tabs. After I removed the tabs I found that one had cracked and that's probably why it was tilting. I did not remove the window from the door, I did everything inside it. I then attached the new steel bracket where the plastic clips had been attached. I put in the glue and pushed the window down into the metal bracket. I then slide the window as far to the right (looking at the door from inside the car). I let it dry overnight. It was relatively easy. I've raised/lowered the window about 10 times a day since Sunday so far no problems. This weekend I'm going to check out the bracket and see how the glue is holding up. I'm hoping this is a permanent fix.

The glue & razor blade were the only things I needed. The mounting screws were included with the bracket.

[rowhard]

You know, if only a Isuzu engineer was a member of this group and would come out with a permant, factory fix as in recall not to take anything away from the fine work of SBC and Bulldog and the rest of the community. It was a design AFU and should of been fixed by them a long time ago. Anyway SBC, thanks for your work. I don't need them today, but will happily support your talent. paypal sent.

[gabilangabby]

i will be making my order for both windows soon too.

[RAZ]

What kind of glue did you use?

STEVE

[SBC]

What kind of glue did you use?

STEVE
I will tell you what i used.........Industrial Grade Hot Glue!!! and its been at or over 110 here in mesa for the last month or more with no problems of the glue giving up! part of the reason that the glue was letting go on the windows was because the plastic tabs would flex and work themselves lose, or they would crack and that would be the cause.

(http://www.streetboutiquecustoms.com)

[Solitude]

I recieved mine.. my vx is in michigan at the moment.. so now how to figure out how to install :confusedw

thanks tim
Jeff

[WormGod]

Dunno how did I ever miss this thread!!??

Whipping out the wallet as we speak.

Good looking out Tim!

[SBC]

I recieved mine.. my vx is in michigan at the moment.. so now how to figure out how to install :confusedw

thanks tim
Jeff

Had i any idea that i would be making these for others when i made mine i would have taken detailed pictures while i was replacing mine and made an install page to send with the kits !!!!! Didnt even know about this forum until after i made my first set. Found this forum then posted what i did to fix my problem...LOL
on the road at the moment for the next couple weeks so when i get back home i will make up some drawing's of how to replace the clips!!

[don moore]

WOW..by the time I get my VX ill know were and how to fix most of the issues and mods ..
Love this Foru ;) m.

[Ldub]

WOW..by the time I get my VX ill know were and how to fix most of the issues and mods ..
Love this Foru ;) m.

Did I mention....THIS FORUM ROCKS !!! :p

[SBC]

Updating the link to my website for the Metal Window Clips to replace the stock Plastic junk that brakes...........
http://www.streetboutiquecustoms.com/vx.htm

[don moore]

Yo Tim :cool:
looks like a nice job.. :)

Hey did you get the install instructions yet??


Chin Up

[CrnCnn]

Any more input on this fix?

[CrnCnn]

Any more input on this fix?

Anyone? Anyone?







Bueller?

[WormGod]

I have had mine for months, but failed to install them. For a bit, I totally forgot about them, then I cleaned my house up because I was having an appraisal done and WHALAH, there they were, heh. My garage is a disaster so I doubt I even have the room to do it, which means clean the garage or wait until spring.

I suck.

[nfpgasmask]

So these new brackets not only replace the plastic tabs but also fix the leaning issue?

My passenger side window leans pretty bad.

Bart

[VXNIT]

Who all have purchased these and how have they performed? I would like to be able to roll my windows down again..

[CrnCnn]

I havent noticed any leaning except for forward. I have to hold the window towards the back of the door to make sure it doesnt get stuck in the track. Both windows get stuck by the arrow in the pic.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/Jimmylongwong/Meedited2.jpg

[Bulldoggie]

I havent noticed any leaning except for forward. I have to hold the window towards the back of the door to make sure it doesnt get stuck in the track. Both windows get stuck by the arrow in the pic.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/Jimmylongwong/Meedited2.jpg

Between Tim's adjustable window tabs, and My spacer trick, every possible problem/adjustment should be fixable, with the exception of the rarer problems like the carjacker who shattered the glass, the broken/frayed cable, the missing or broken nylon lift track guides, or the burned-out motor/ broken switch.
Though I do not have one of Tim's window tabs to test the glass resting on the lift arm (center). I believe he has "done it right"
The main adjustments are keeping the glass snug to the rear and keeping the center of lift arm under the bottom of the glass, at the top and bottom of it's travel.
From the above description, I would pull the door panels SOON or leave them up till you do!

[Bulldoggie]

Anyone near me, with a window problem, want to get together and make a video of me adjusting their window?
I will process the DVD copies and make them available to all for cost. about $2.00
Oh! and I will adjust your window for free labor!

[JHarris1385]

Anyone near me, with a window problem, want to get together and make a video of me adjusting their window?
I will process the DVD copies and make them available to all for cost. about $2.00
Oh! and I will adjust your window for free labor!

Good idea. Where are you located? Not sure if I am the only one but I have not seen locations listed next to the year/color of VX in the bar above posts since the new server.

[Bulldoggie]

Good idea. Where are you located? Not sure if I am the only one but I have not seen locations listed next to the year/color of VX in the bar above posts since the new server.

Yes I miss the location feature also.
I'm located in Corvallis Oregon
About 10mi. west of I-5 about 30mi south of Salem.
BTW you can still click on the users name and view their profile.

[mrlegoman]

Yes I miss the location feature also.
I'm located in Corvallis Oregon
About 10mi. west of I-5 about 30mi south of Salem.
BTW you can still click on the users name and view their profile.
Damn, a little too far from VA. Both my windows are f'd. I spend a weekend working on the passenger with spacers and new plastic tabs from GM. It worked about twice and now is messed up again. Going to buy the metal spacers and work on the drivers side sometime.

PayPal sent!

[SBC]

Damn, a little too far from VA. Both my windows are f'd. I spend a weekend working on the passenger with spacers and new plastic tabs from GM. It worked about twice and now is messed up again. Going to buy the metal spacers and work on the drivers side sometime.

PayPal sent!
Thanks Don! I will send your Metal Brackets out on monday usps priority

[circmand]

I bought these months ago and could not figure out how to install. I emailed for directions and was told none exist. I even took it to a local body repair place and they could not figure it out. Has anyone figured it out and can post directions since the seller has not yet honored his statement to post directions?

[SBC]

Email me directly and i can send it (Zip File)
install doesn't cover the removal of your door panels or glass....you should be able to find that in the VX shop manual.
One more thing !!! if the body shop you took your vx too couldnt make heads or tails of the brackets.................You should find a place to install these that know a little something about autos
My direct email is streetboutique@hotmail.com and i will send you the install picture in a zip file

[SBC]

I posted this before that i had the install direction for anyone that needed them !!!!!!! looks like a couple of mine got deleted when the site went down.....
sorry to everyone i didn't realize it

[johnnyapollo]

You might want to put a copy of the file on your server and link from your VX window fix page.

-- John

[mrlegoman]

I posted this before that i had the install direction for anyone that needed them !!!!!!! looks like a couple of mine got deleted when the site went down.....
sorry to everyone i didn't realize it

1. Remove old plastic tabs and glue.
2. Install new metal tab and new glue.

Not trying to be a complete prick, but I never thought it was that hard to figure out. I'll try to find some links to some of the old post. There are about 20 thread discussion on this issues and I remember some going into detail on how to do a tab replacement. I'll see what I can find.

[circmand]

The directions may be on here but I never found them using the search feature but then again I did not search everyday. As for Legomans directions it reminds me of an old Shoe cartoon. He was replacing his transmission and the shop manual said step 1 remove old transmission. Those directions are probably good enough for those who do not need directions but for those of us who do they are no help at all.

[JHarris1385]

SO DO THESE WORK??? I am literally adding them to my Christmas list - yest I still make a list. Why not? I still make my parents make one too.

[Solitude]

SO DO THESE WORK??? I am literally adding them to my Christmas list - yest I still make a list. Why not? I still make my parents make one too.

YES.. SBC installed these for me today.. (glad I live in the valley) and yes it is overwhelming to pull your window out of the door.. but I figured "Hey, it wasn't attached to anything anyway.. ya remove the old tabs.. hot glue the new bracket on.. (make sure the window is lubed when it comes out and it should go right back in lickety-split.

for those of you having troubles.. picture 2 plastic tabs holding on to a 10-lb window.. then picture a metal brace 7 inches wide holding up the same weight.. It was money well spent as far as I am concerned..

Thanks again Tim.. you helped me out alot.... even helped the tilt go away.. but I am sure that the lubing will still need to be done regularly to keep'em that way..

[JHarris1385]

My main problem is the tilt issue, the lube doesnt seem to help the matters either and I have tried the washer trick (it made mine worse).

[Solitude]

My main problem is the tilt issue, the lube doesnt seem to help the matters either and I have tried the washer trick (it made mine worse).

well the passenger window tilted before the brace was installed.. and now it doesnt.. tabs on the driver's side broke and the passenger's side were gonna break soon.. they were bending at the base of the window.. the new bracket doesn't bend like plastic.. anyways.. was my 2cents.. good luck

[Bulldoggie]

My main problem is the tilt issue, the lube doesnt seem to help the matters either and I have tried the washer trick (it made mine worse).

The washer trick is NOT for the tilt adjustment.
You have to adjust the glass to the rear to remove the tilt.

The washer trick is for the pinching, where the glass is trying to push outward of the guides and you see the glass on the wrong side of the rubber.

[JHarris1385]

I had that issue as well, and the washers seem to have only made that worse as well. The washers made the window push even further out of the track.

[Bulldoggie]

I had that issue as well, and the washers seem to have only made that worse as well. The washers made the window push even further out of the track.

The number of washers used, is different for every window.
It is important to make the glass rest on the nylon pad, in the middle of the lift arm, unbolted, near the top and near the bottom.

[WormGod]

Wow, I am an over achiever.... Had these for about 6 months now and still have not installed them. I dont really have any window issues currently since I did the old bracket bend fix, so I guess these are a backup plan if anything.

Hey kids! The word of the day is "Procrastinate"! Lets say it together!!

[Ldub]

Hey kids! The word of the day is "Procrastinate"! Lets say it together!!

Meh...mebbe later...:rolleyesg

[Solitude]

Hey kids! The word of the day is "Procrastinate"! Lets say it together!!

OK Pro Cras tin ate... I was one of the first buyers.. and finally did put them in.. but then again.. the window had left the tab.. and they were just communing on a temporary basis.. I knew it would break sooner or later and had the time finally.

[circmand]

Well I am finally going to put these brackets on but I think I lost the fittings that come with them. Anyone know where I can get them? Also any updates on a name brand glue and if it can be bought at an auto store?

[VXD959]

CIRCMAND,

Let me know when are you planning to do the fix. I also bought the brackets and perhaps we could help each other during installation (let's start with your VX as guinea pig :smilewink). I also need the information on the glue matter.

Regards,

[SBC]

a small tube of silicon adhesive would work!
im here in Mesa AZ where it was over 100 for 3 months and i used industrial grade hot glue and its still holding up just fine.............
You could visit your local auto paint supply store or maybe even Checker,Kragen,Pep Boys,Napa and pick up some window adhesive.

[circmand]

Thanks Tim any particular brand? Also VXD I will let you know when I am doing it I have a friend I am paying for the priveledge of teaching me. You can probably watch hime while he does it.

[SBC]

Thanks Tim any particular brand? Also VXD I will let you know when I am doing it I have a friend I am paying for the priveledge of teaching me. You can probably watch hime while he does it.
3M !!!! Makes Pro Grade window adhesive......but more then likely you can only find that in Auto Paint supply stores.

[VXD959]

Circmand, you are a pervert!
"You can probably watch hime while he does it."

[circmand]

Jealous?

[don moore]

and your paying him...lol;)

[circmand]

no matter what anyone thinks nothing is free.

[VX-157]

Are these tracks still available?

my windows are going to get the silcone spray this weekend. if that does not work then i am keen to try your ubber design :cool:

[gabilangabby]

did these brackets actually workout?? did they end the power window headache??? if so... i want some!

[SBC]

Are these tracks still available?

my windows are going to get the silcone spray this weekend. if that does not work then i am keen to try your ubber design :cool:
Yes....i still make these brackets as they are ordered !! I think every VX will need these over time as the plastic one's will brake at some point.

[Serephin]

Just wanted to thank you for making these brackets. Both windows on the VX I bought were broken and horrible (the passenger side actually fell into the door the first time I tried to roll it down.....in the rain...).

I bought the brackets before the VX even arrived and this weekend took the time to put them in. I used a cheap epoxy for glass/metal and it only took me about an hour and a half to compelte and that is only because I put on bracket on backwards and had to remove and re-attach it. It was very simple if you have any mechanical apptitude (and tools) at all.

The end result.... my windows go up and down flawlessly, no binding, no falling out of tracks, no issues at all!

I cannot speak to longevity but it sure seems to be fantastic so far.

Thanks again well worth the small price you are charging!

:bwgy:

[JHarris1385]

Just ordered mine.........awaiting the video too.

[LittleBeast]

Just ordered mine as well, thanks.

[HotFlyer]

I just ordered mine.
Two weeks for delivery.
Will let you know how the fix works.

Howard(0761)

[LittleBeast]

I just ordered mine.
Two weeks for delivery.
Will let you know how the fix works.

Howard(0761)

Wow I think we were reading each others minds!!!!! Posted down to the same minute.

[SBC]

Just received your orders (Thank You ) The website says two weeks (in case im on the road traveling) But i should have them in the mail by the end of this week as i am home and in the shop working ! I will send an email when they are shipped
Thanks Again

[taylorRichie]

Mine shipped two days ago... Very much looking forward to rolling down my driver's side window. Anyone with a How To article including pics? I'd imagine its straight forward but I could always use a reference.

[SBC]

Mine shipped two days ago... Very much looking forward to rolling down my driver's side window. Anyone with a How To article including pics? I'd imagine its straight forward but I could always use a reference.

try this.........

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/streetboutique/vxclipinstall.jpg

[taylorRichie]

Forgot to post on this one...

I used your instructions, had it installed in 30 minutes start to finish... EASY Easy!!

Highly highly highly recommend this kit... can't see how I'll ever have an issue again.

Thanks for providing such a great fix!!

[Petos]

just ordered my set - hope to receive it shortly, as I will be moving to Russia soon... thx!

[Rooster]

Thanks Tim, just ordered a set. My drivers side window is pretty FUBAR'd...

[-x-]

Heres to riding to the beach with the windows down again!!!!!:cool!::dance::luck::_steering

[Dare2Dream]

Forgot to post on this one...

I used your instructions, had it installed in 30 minutes start to finish... EASY Easy!!

Highly highly highly recommend this kit... can't see how I'll ever have an issue again.

Thanks for providing such a great fix!!

Where did you find the instructions on removing the windows (glass) from the door?

[-x-]

try this.........

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/streetboutique/vxclipinstall.jpg


im waiting for my brackets to arrive but its just the 2 bolts to "free" the window. That is of course after you've gained access. Have you ever removed the door panel before?

...x

[Dare2Dream]

Never removed the door panel before but I'm sure that after some digging, I could find a guide somewhere around here. Just wanted to see if someone had already located a good pictorial guide.

[etlsport]

Never removed the door panel before but I'm sure that after some digging, I could find a guide somewhere around here. Just wanted to see if someone had already located a good pictorial guide.

http://www.vehicross.info/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=22

check that out

[Dare2Dream]

http://www.vehicross.info/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=22

check that out

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much!!

[Twilightside]

I just ordered a set myself, after trying as sailor fix. At least I got practice in removing the door panel.

My wife is dogging my VX for being made of cheap pieces...

:(

[CrnCnn]

I will be ordering soon. My windows are bad and its getting nice finally so I will want them down more often.

[taylorRichie]

I'm really surprised more people don't have them... I ordered them the day after I got my car... (of course I had a broken window tab, HA)

They're seriously a 30 min install (per side) and My driver's side window is smooth as butta.

(haven't done passenger side yet) :D

[JHarris1385]

So are we getting a video?

[CrnCnn]

They're seriously a 30 min install (per side)


So it should take me an hour or two....

Everytime I see this on an install and then do it it takes much longer. I am pretty meticulous though I take my time to make sure of two things. One, that things are going right and two, enough beer is being consumed....

[tom4bren]

My install has taken the better part of a year (they're still sitting in my garage). Maybe I'll put 'em on soon tho - Wifey is pressing me hard to get the passenger window functional again. Drivers side works fine since I replaced the weather stripping with felt.

[taylorRichie]

So it should take me an hour or two....

Everytime I see this on an install and then do it it takes much longer. I am pretty meticulous though I take my time to make sure of two things. One, that things are going right and two, enough beer is being consumed....

Yeah seriously... I opened up the door panel knowing nothing about what I'd find... and I actually was anticipating something else... (never saw pictures) Get yourself the tool pictured on this thread, pop out the christmas trees, pop out the control panel for the windows undo the couple screws, then there's a s crew in the corner where the tweeter IIRC.

Remove the two screws on the tabs.
Carefully lift the window out, I had to rotate it about 45º to remove straight up.
Mark where the tabs are, remove the tabs (this parts easy... some even do it on their own ;))

My advice, slide on the new channel, then shoot glue into the channel (industrial hot glue is what I used) and immediately press tight. I tried to put glue in first, then Slide the channel on but the glue hardened way too quickly. So install it first, make a small gap for the glue to ooze into, then press tight.

And install the window, being careful of any tint. (also had to insert at about 45º angle)

[Benny]

Great product!!!! Thanks Tim. Highly recommend fix...

[kpaske]

Between Tim's adjustable window tabs, and My spacer trick, every possible problem/adjustment should be fixable, with the exception of the rarer problems like the carjacker who shattered the glass, the broken/frayed cable, the missing or broken nylon lift track guides, or the burned-out motor/ broken switch.

Not to be a naysayer, but believe me, this is not a miracle fix-all for the window issues. It certainly addresses the broken tabs, but if your windows bind or tilt, there may be some additional tricks and adjustments needed to get them working correctly again. I have one of these brackets installed in my passenger door, and it took both the washer trick and bending out the railing just to make this window semi-functional again. It's still not 100%, but could probably be fixed with some additional tweaking. My driver's side window still has the original brackets and actually functions a bit better than the one with the new bracket.

I will be placing an order for these brackets myself, as I do believe they are PART of a permanent solution (and I owe one back to the donor of my passenger side bracket :bgwb:), I just want to make sure everyone is aware that each window is different and your results will vary, even from one window to the other.

So what's the deal with the video?

[Dare2Dream]

Not to be a naysayer, but believe me, this is not a miracle fix-all for the window issues. It certainly addresses the broken tabs, but if your windows bind or tilt, there may be some additional tricks and adjustments needed to get them working correctly again. I have one of these brackets installed in my passenger door, and it took both the washer trick and bending out the railing just to make this window semi-functional again. It's still not 100%, but could probably be fixed with some additional tweaking. My driver's side window still has the original brackets and actually functions a bit better than the one with the new bracket.

I will be placing an order for these brackets myself, as I do believe they are PART of a permanent solution (and I owe one back to the donor of my passenger side bracket :bgwb:), I just want to make sure everyone is aware that each window is different and your results will vary, even from one window to the other.

So what's the deal with the video?

Wondering if one of you 'expert' guys could one day put together a comprehensive guide to fix the window problem. That would be really cool. I realize that so many here have posted different fixes but would be nice for someone who knows more than me about windows to cherry pick the best fixes and write a single fix it all guide ;)

[taylorRichie]

Wondering if one of you 'expert' guys could one day put together a comprehensive guide to fix the window problem. That would be really cool. I realize that so many here have posted different fixes but would be nice for someone who knows more than me about windows to cherry pick the best fixes and write a single fix it all guide ;)

I knew NOTHING about my windows, Driver's side broke 5 minutes after I bought the car. Everyone here said get the SBC brackets, I did. Then I took off my door panel. I had never done it before, and had no idea what I was going to be faced with. But it was a real simple fix. Pop off the old tabs (plastic white tabs) Glue on the new SBC bracket, and reinstall, there's really nothing to it.

I was far from an "expert" when I did it, and it still took only about 30 minutes.

[kpaske]

Wondering if one of you 'expert' guys could one day put together a comprehensive guide to fix the window problem. That would be really cool. I realize that so many here have posted different fixes but would be nice for someone who knows more than me about windows to cherry pick the best fixes and write a single fix it all guide ;)

Bulldoggie, myself and another owner got together a couple of months ago and shot a video with Bill (Bulldoggie) narrating, but it never made it off the cutting room floor. If we could get a copy of that footage we might actually be able to put a how to video out... Has anyone seen Eric (Pho2GR4)??

[Rob]

Hey gang,
Just got my metal brackets in the mail and looking forward to having operational windows again (no fun in Florida!).

Anyone have a specific recommendation on brand/type of glue??

Thanks all,

Rob

[taylorRichie]

I used Commercial Grade Hot glue sticks from Lowes.

Also available form Harbor Freight, etc. No problems so far. 3 months.

[rowhard]

Well, I haven't seen or heard from Eric, Pho2gr4, But I do know he is up to his back side with wedding shoot's, plus he has (as of a few months ago anyway) a new love of his life and she also is a photographer and his business manager I think. Am sure once the wedding season calms down, he will reappear.

[kpaske]

Actually Eric and I exchanged a couple of PM's a few weeks ago, and he was in the middle of moving as well. Said he'd send the footage my way when he had a chance to locate it, so hopefully we'll be able to get the video together sometime soon.

[SBC]

Hey gang,
Just got my metal brackets in the mail and looking forward to having operational windows again (no fun in Florida!).

Anyone have a specific recommendation on brand/type of glue??

Thanks all,

Rob


Commercial Grade Hot glue! Here in the valley of hell.....also known as phoenix AZ Mine is still holding after a year with all these 100+ days we love sooooooooooooo much.

Hot Glue stays rubbery which is a good thing cause it wont deform and will continue to grip the glass

[dietz99vcross]

Two questions on doing this repair.

1. After removing the door panel I noticed that someone (either stereo installer or window tint installer) just slashed and removed the vapor barrier. Other than my window not working forever I have not noticed anything wrong with the door. Should I attempt to replace the barrier, and if so with what?

2. I have removed the window but I have no idea on how to remove the plastic clips that are glued onto the window. What is the best way to remove these clips?

thanks for any assistance - Mike

[Ldub]

Two questions on doing this repair.

1. After removing the door panel I noticed that someone (either stereo installer or window tint installer) just slashed and removed the vapor barrier. Other than my window not working forever I have not noticed anything wrong with the door. Should I attempt to replace the barrier, and if so with what?


thanks for any assistance - Mike

You can easily make a new vapor barrier out of some four mil poly (any good hardware store/builders supply), but patching it with some duct tape will be almost as effective...:_wrench:

[dietz99vcross]

Alright, this goes down as the easiest repair I have done on the VX yet. The actually installing the bracket was way to easy. Getting the door panel removed - 5 minutes max. Finding the right size socket to undo the two screws (to tight for the screwdriver, afraid it would strip) - 10mm - 4 minutes. Pulling the window out (no guts, no glory) 30 seconds. Realizing the plastic clips were not even broken - doesn't count in total time. Scraping off old glue and cleaning window - 5 minutes. Gluing new bracket in place - 2 minutes. Letting it dry - as much as you feel is needed, I waited 2 hours. Reinstalling window and attaching the two bolts - 5 minutes. Testing and adjusting window - another 5 minutes tops. I am leaving the panel off a few days just to make sure all is good, but overall I am very pleased with how easy this replacement was. Thanks for making these.

I made one adjustment when installing these. I first put the window in and tightened everything down and the window was very sluggish towards the top. I lowered it loosened the bolts a half turn raised it up, all seemed good, and lowered it and tightened them up. All seems good.

Thanks to everyone who gave input on this posting. It really helped with the install. Mike

[LittleBeast]

Here are the photos of my installation:
1st here is the marine grade epoxy drying:

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/9-22-08_017.jpg

Then here is a side shot installed:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/9-22-08_007.jpg

And here is a straight on shot after installing:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/9-22-08_001.jpg

Here I have circled the plastic tabs on the window track that seem to be way more loose on my passenger side then the drivers side for some odd reason:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/9-22-08_007Mod.JPG

This completely fixed my driver side tilting which was not as bad as the passenger side, and it definitely made the passenger side A LOT better. It is still not perfect on the passenger side but it is pretty close, and there is really no more gap to be seen on either window, and I am completely happy with the results. Very easy fix, longest part was waiting for the epoxy to dry. My plastic tabs were not broken either, but this mod helped a TON with the tilting problem. It seems though that the bracket in the middle of my passenger side that attaches the window to the metal guide is what is really loose. It has plastic on it and seems like that is simply loose, but I cannot complain, it seems this issue is almost completely solved by using these upgraded metal tabs.

[JHarris1385]

Thanks for the photos...

Having not done this repair yet and having the brackets......
This is a stupid question...but how do you get the window pane out and then back in with the brackets attached...Just trying to paint the picture without acutally having expierence with the inards of the door.

[LittleBeast]

Thanks for the photos...

Having not done this repair yet and having the brackets......
This is a stupid question...but how do you get the window pane out and then back in with the brackets attached...Just trying to paint the picture without acutally having expierence with the inards of the door.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing! It is really really easy though, I could tell you nothing but try it yourself and you would be able to figure it out. Basically once you have the old plastic tabs un bolted, as you pull the window up out of the door, it naturally tilts towards the front of the car and as it does you notice that the rear of the glass is cut to allow this to happen until the window pulls straight up out of the window towards the outside of the cabin side of the window frame. The only tricky part is the tabs/bracket snag just a little on the motor mount/pulley thing but all you have to do is eyeball it and add a little force to compress the window seal to allow for a little more room and it makes it with plenty of room to spare, it really is very very simple, thank goodness the window is cut with that angle in the rear so it will rotate forward and pull straight out! But then again maybe it is that dang cut in the glass that allows it to tilt when we DON'T want it to come out of the door! lol

You can see the beginning of that angled cut in the 1st photo I posted at the very right of the photo, that is the passenger side window, with the inside glass facing up and the outside of the glass resting on the ground, so if you were standing inside the door frame with the passenger side door open you would pull the window up and rotate counter clockwise, with the top of the glass rotating towards the front of the car and then pull straight up watching for the tabs to not catch at the very top of the window seal.

[Bulldoggie]

Here are the photos of my installation:
Here I have circled the plastic tabs on the window track that seem to be way more loose on my passenger side then the drivers side for some odd reason:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/9-22-08_007Mod.JPG
It seems though that the bracket in the middle of my passenger side that attaches the window to the metal guide is what is really loose. It has plastic on it and seems like that is simply loose, but I cannot complain, it seems this issue is almost completely solved by using these upgraded metal tabs.

Great picture, BTW
Just to clarify what I have been using for terminology;
The metal horizontal piece the window tabs bolt to, I have been calling that piece the "regulator arm".
The vertical part is the regulator track, the plastic pieces are the arm guides.

When the arm is pulling away from the track....
That is the main reason for the "spacer fix"

From your picture it looks like just a few on the bottom track bolts will do.

The other (or same) reason for the spacers, especially at the bottom, is to align the track with the path of the window glass.

If the glass has a tendency pinch the rubber weatherstripping...or push outward....


Please wait for me to upload crude drawing.....

[Bulldoggie]

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Photo_3.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=12057)





Sorry for using photo booth. I'm lazy

[Knigh7s]

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Photo_3.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=12057)
Sorry for using photo booth. I'm lazy

That is my problem right there. My drivers window just dropped on me the other day. Popped open the door to find the plastic "arm guides" broke... DOH! the windows pulls away from the track and eventually just took the tabs out with it...

[Bulldoggie]

BTW your plastic guides are not loose, they are attached to the arm.
That is the window pulling the regulator arm away from the regulator track.
or the door panel pulling the track away from the glass? Same thing!

Small Tip; I found it easier to put the window and tabs in place, then glue and close the window to set in place, before the glue sets.
That way the glass is centered to the opening. no waiting!

[Solitude]

ttt

[Solitude]

BUMPED for the new members. welcome

[BeeVenom]

Just sent an order in to Tim. THANKS, Scott in Michigan

[DK]

Looks like I'm going to have to do both windows. From what I've been reading it seems the brackets are the best choice.

Would someone post the contact info for the brackets? Thanks.

EDIT: Just checked. Is it still the SBC link?

[Ldub]

Looks like I'm going to have to do both windows. From what I've been reading it seems the brackets are the best choice.

Would someone post the contact info for the brackets? Thanks.

EDIT: Just checked. Is it still the SBC link?

Yep, click here: http://www.streetboutiquecustoms.com/vx.htm , scroll down, click the first "buy now" button you see, enjoy...:smilewink

[DK]

Thanks.

[djvx]

i resorted to a label on my door panel that says "pull front of glass up when raising"..........Im tired of this issue---maybe these parts will help.

[mrtew]

Yes....i still make these brackets as they are ordered !! I think every VX will need these over time as the plastic one's will brake at some point.

I'm glad I'm ordering before you get tired of making them!!! If you end up having to make 4000 sets I hope you at least get rich! :) I'll try taking some more pictures to either show everyone how do do it right or to ask for help in finding out what went horribly wrong!

[Bulldoggie]

John "Rowhard"
Posted "how to" pictures for the door panel removal with a parts and tools;

http://www.vehicross.info/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=22

Great Job, John! Now if we could expand on this.......:yeso:
:thumbup:

I think the video camera's files may have been overwritten / lost?

Maybe when the weather improves we can try again?????

[SBC]

I'm glad I'm ordering before you get tired of making them!!! If you end up having to make 4000 sets I hope you at least get rich! :) I'll try taking some more pictures to either show everyone how do do it right or to ask for help in finding out what went horribly wrong!

Sad to say i wont be getting Rich making these!!!:( ...haha
Actually i gotta put my money making projects to the side to weld these brackets up, its all good at least no one is waiting on Isuzu to fix this one little mistake.

Received your order..Thank You...will have that in the mail by mid week

[VX KAT]

Hi Tim- We spoke about 2 weeks ago by phone. I'm up near Prescott. Got my driver window working perfectly right now by tweaking the track & bracket and then using pure silicon spray. I haven't tackled the pass window yet, but it doesn't jump the track coming up, but comes up VERY slowly.

I recall reading a post somewhere here that said not to slam the doors as it might break the window tabs (that your metal brackets replace). Have you heard/seen that?

I see you're making a set for mrtew in Canada this week...would it be more efficient for you to make 2 sets at once? If so, I'll order mine now also.

I think you mentioned you could also install them too. Let me know how much and HOW LONG OF A JOB you think that would be. We're coming down to PHX on morning of 2/2 and wanted to know if it's an install job we could wait on? Not sure since I've read the glue has to sit for a while. Would something like that work for you?

You could also keep them there & save the shipping costs since they sound like they're a zero profit margin for you.

Please let me know. Thanks! :happyface

Sue

[mrtew]

Wow, if that happens make sure to take pix and post them! This could finally be the opportunity for a knowledgeable install to be documented! (unless it already has and I missed something, I've seen a few pictures out there but they don't fill me with confidence) And say hi to AZ for me.... I'm from your area! I used to drive thru Dewey on my way down to Phoenix and Tucson all the time! Which is really weird because I got my VX in Detroit and it's the very next one off the line before yours according to the number! (no I'm not stalking you, I just glanced at the number and it seemed so familiar).

[VX KAT]

Wow, that is coincidental! I've also looked at VINs but hadn't noticed yours. I started searching for my VX in December, found at least 90% were on the East Coast. Made me crazy! I found a '01 Foxfire in Virginia with 64k and had it shipped here to AZ (OUCH! $1,000 buckaroos).

So far, no rust, came with virtually brand new Falken Ziex tires, brake pads at least 80%, OEM shocks aren't leaking (but I can't stand them!! :mado2:...I live about 1 mile back on a dirt/rocky road...I'd read the VX "rides rough" but this dirt road is going to shake pieces loose in no time! It's like driving the Flintmobile with Fred Flintstone! So I'm looking at new shocks & reading all the posts I can here to get info on what to pick for my desired ride. I'm going to sell the OEM shocks here.

Wasn't "leaking" any oil until I took it to auth Isuzu service (which is a Toyota/Hundai/GM dealership) and now it's dripping about 1 teaspoon every 3 days. Got to take it back to them. :mad: Haven't had it long enough to see if it's "using" oil yet.

I will definitely take as many pics as Tim will let me. Photogr is my other hobby so I should be able to put together a really good set of pics / tutorial.

[lasturbo]

So everyone above is talking about when the window "tilts" when going down I assume. Mine makes a snap/pop sound intermitt. for a split second just when it starts to go down from the closed position. Is that the same thing or something else causing that? I pulled the panel off and my main holding bracket(to the glass) is in tact but I did notice the plastic guide in tact but alot of play in it. I greased everything up, lubed the tracks, and tried it and still does it at will. Any thoughts or experiences? Thanks.

[mrtew]

How did the cable itself look? My plastic tabs were fine but my window regulator cable was shredding and making a snapping crackling sound. Had to have it replaced.

BTW I still have my metal tabs that I ordered from SBC because I didn't need them if anyone who does wants to buy them off me instead of getting him to make more for you!

[MustangO4]

BTW I still have my metal tabs that I ordered from SBC because I didn't need them if anyone who does wants to buy them off me instead of getting him to make more for you!

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[MarjieJ]

I know that this is a old thread, but is this fix still availible? My driver side window tabs have been brolen, repaired and now beyond repair. I haven't rolled my window for almost 2 years and it's annoying. Also, can you recommends some glues besides hot glue?

[Riff Raff]

I know that this is a old thread, but is this fix still availible? My driver side window tabs have been brolen, repaired and now beyond repair. I haven't rolled my window for almost 2 years and it's annoying. Also, can you recommends some glues besides hot glue?

MarjieJ--- Click-on the "link" in the above posting #172

[tom4bren]

MarjiJ,

I used black RTV (in case I needed to move it - cures to a rubber consistency). You can pick it up at any automotive store.

Others used Liquid Nails. You can pick it up at any hardware store.

[VXNIT]

Has anyone replaced these with window in or must the window be removed. Just had all my windows retinted.

[JAMAS]

You can fix them while they are in.

You just have to duct tape the windows up (from the non-tinted side) while you work on the lower part.

[tom4bren]

You can remove the window from the door without hurting the tint. It only takes a few seconds and makes the repair much easier.

[VXNIT]

Just sent my Paypal to Tim, can't wait to have window functions again....

[lasturbo]

I finally tore apart my LF window to replace the broken factory holders with the SBC bracket and it went smoothly. IMO the best way is to mount the bracket to the regulator, goop up the SBC channel with RTV, have the glass already in the channels almost to the top (so it is in more of the rubber guide channels and rested), move the regulator up to mate with the lines I made where the old holders were, and slip the glass in the channel. Remove the excess RTV and let it set up. I did not have to do any adjustments and the window works great with no binding or problems. It is nice to have my LF window back after 2 months of not using it!!

[tom4bren]

I finally tore apart my LF window to replace the broken factory holders with the SBC bracket and it went smoothly. IMO the best way is to mount the bracket to the regulator, goop up the SBC channel with RTV, have the glass already in the channels almost to the top (so it is in more of the rubber guide channels and rested), move the regulator up to mate with the lines I made where the old holders were, and slip the glass in the channel. Remove the excess RTV and let it set up. I did not have to do any adjustments and the window works great with no binding or problems. It is nice to have my LF window back after 2 months of not using it!!

WooHoo - great work.

The only thing I would add is to try and mount the SBC bracket a little farther forward than the original tabs were. This should help with the tilting problem but there isn't much play so you prolly won't be able to do much without 'stretching' the holes on the bracket.

[Kona-Vs]

I' m a new VX owner Where can I get some new tabs for my windows?

[SBC]

I' m a new VX owner Where can I get some new tabs for my windows?

I can hook ya up http://www.streetboutiquecustoms.com (http://www.streetboutiquecustoms.com/vx.html)

[VXNIT]

Did both windows in July and so far holding in place well. Nice to be able to use windows again. Brackets on mine were not broke but OEM design allows to much movement, also take dent rubber window guides out of door and trim to allow window to move without binding. I feel slant issue is duevto binding that leads to broken tabs. Use good strong adhesive to meet yourvtemperature conditions. Replace those junk speakers while doorsbopen too...

[tom4bren]

UPDATE:

Drivers side window tilting (bad) - I think one of the plastic tabs completely gave up the ghost. I've got the SBC bracket ready to install though.

Pass window - still tilts some but goes up with a little help. It may be time for the bungie cord fix.

[JAMAS]

I made use of some Jig-a-loo and it helped a TON

[VX KAT]

I made use of some Jig-a-loo and it helped a TON

OK, without googling it...what the heck is Jig-a-loo?....so many possibilities here....:slap:

[JAMAS]

OK, without googling it...what the heck is Jig-a-loo?....so many possibilities here....:slap:

Its the bees knees of lubricants. Its a dry silicone lubricant. I believe Ldub uses it as well.

I had to buy it on Amazon, nobody locally had it. Imagine my phone conversation with the lady at the Ace Hardware....

"yeah Hi, I am looking for Jig-a-loo lubricant"

http://www.jigaloo.com/us/e_home.php

specifically...
http://www.jigaloo.com/us/e_products_jigaloo.php

[tom4bren]

Jig-a-loo won't help the drivers side. 2 Reasons:

1. I ditched the rubber in the front track years ago & replaced with felt.

2. glass was almost sideways after I heard the snap.

Maybe I'll go ahead and install the OEM weather strip that I got from KAT.

[JAMAS]

I suppose I should have mentioned that I have already done the SBC brackets as well.

that, plus a new window regulator and the jig-a-loo has been working good for a little while

[xcelr8]

Just ordered. wish me luck.

[xcelr8]

Just installed one side. Works great. BTW: I used the clear liner from the shower to replace old plastic in door. Worked great. I don't know how long it will take my chickee to find out but I'm guessin not long.

[tom4bren]

ROFL

Prolly won't take her long ... first time she has to mop the bathroom floor.

[H3_VX]

Got my SBC Brackets in the mail from Tim today. Can't wait to get them installed and hopefully have windows that function 100%, or even 90%. LOL!

[Cobrajet]

I still have the install videos on my YouTube channel:

VehiCROSS Window Prep 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APnuqKSYFlw
VehiCROSS Window Prep 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooogBcDUetU
VehiCROSS Window Install - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Z852D0dwY

[H3_VX]

I still have the install videos on my YouTube channel:

VehiCROSS Window Prep 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APnuqKSYFlw
VehiCROSS Window Prep 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooogBcDUetU
VehiCROSS Window Install - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Z852D0dwY

Just watched your vids. Good work. Howcome you didn't post a clip of them working? :grinb: Also, did your windows function perfectly with this and did you do any other related tweaks to your windows?

[VX KAT]

Also, did your windows function perfectly with this and did you do any other related tweaks to your windows?

Mine were just slowing down pretty bad, but still made it up w/o help. Rght before i got my SBC brackets installed, I widened and slightly moved the front vertical channel forward a bit...to put less pressure/friction on the leading edge of the window glass. I also lubricate that vertical rubber gasket that the leading edge fits into.

[tom4bren]

Just watched your vids. Good work. Howcome you didn't post a clip of them working? :grinb: Also, did your windows function perfectly with this and did you do any other related tweaks to your windows?

He took the vids during the 'window fixin party' at my place a few years ago. He's one of the lucky ones who has never had window problems. Anyway, we didn't have time for the adhesive to cure before the end of the day & I told everyone that they should not lower their windows for at least 24 hours. That's why he didn't show the windows functioning.

Long term is that on mine, the brackets didn't completely fix the problem. I still have tilting on the passenger side (even after tweeking the tracks and making adjustments to the regulator). The main problem is that it's not just the plastic tabs on the glass, but also 2 plastic tabs on the regulator track that are giving way/wearing. I need to put the old noggin back in gear and come up with another fix.

[Vendetta]

So am I to read from this that the SBCs I recently bought (not installed yet) won't fix the window binding problem if there is tilt involved? 'Cause there definitely IS tilt involved. If I simply put a little downward pressure on the B-pillar top edge of the glass as it ascends, it goes up smoothly. I've seen the bungee "fix" for this, but I thought this is what the SBCs were made for.

-V

[JAMAS]

I have the SBC brackets installed to fix the broken plastic tabs that made my window not work at all. I believe that is what they were created for. A better/stronger version of the OEM plastic setup

[tom4bren]

So am I to read from this that the SBCs I recently bought (not installed yet) won't fix the window binding problem if there is tilt involved? 'Cause there definitely IS tilt involved. If I simply put a little downward pressure on the B-pillar top edge of the glass as it ascends, it goes up smoothly. I've seen the bungee "fix" for this, but I thought this is what the SBCs were made for.

-V

The SBC brackets fix the problem for 90% of the owners ... I'm special ... I'm in the 10%.

Remember though that 63.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[SlowPro48]

I've seen the bungee "fix" for this...

FYI on the bungee fix: My driver side bungee finally broke last month. Not bad for an ultra-cheap, temporary "fix" installed eight years ago. The window functioned perfectly right up until the bungee broke. Never once had to spend time lubing it. Think I'll be doing that "fix" again! This was the fix that lifts the front of the window so the bungee is under tension only when the window is down - not the fix that pulls down on the back of the window i.e., bungee under tension when window is up.

[Vendetta]

I don't think I've seen that one, SlowPro. I've only seen the ones that holds the rear side down. I'm give the SBCs a try - eventually - and see how that goes.

Hopefully I won't be a 10%er. :smilewink

-V

[SlowPro48]

Yeah there's not really a proper write-up on that one. I remember describing the fix but it didn't have it's own thread. I'm sure it's buried in the middle of a long ago threadjack somewhere. I provided the length of the bungee so I guess when it comes time to do the driver's side again I'll be using the search function as it took some experimenting to get the length right. Too long and you don't get enough lift, too short and the motor strains to get the window all the way down. Anyway since it was just going to be a temporary measure until I could get time to figure out how to move the lift point forward, I didn't bother taking pics and doing a writeup. I'll take some this time around though.

Hope the SBCs work for you. They definitely look stronger than stock!

[Ldub]

Here's the other one...http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=19148&highlight=bungee+window

And here's the one SlowPro posted...http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showpost.php?p=226963&postcount=9

Found in this thread...http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=20270&highlight=bungee+window

Which has a lot of useful looking links.

[Leon R]

Just ordered a set! Both of my windows are not working :(.

[HeckaTrebeka]

I got a set a few months ago but I still haven't put them in yet :_confused Just haven't made the time to do the work. I suppose I'll do that this weekend as well as finally construct my rear storage box. I've been feeling pretty lazy these last few weeks. Could be because of the crappy, no-snow-only-rain we get over here.

[tom4bren]

Sounds like I'm in danger of loosing my title as king procrastinator around here:)

[mrlegoman]

Sounds like I'm in danger of loosing my title as king procrastinator around here:)
I think I bought mine about three or four years ago........still not installed....
Correction: I bought them in 2008. :/

[VX KAT]

I have one extra SBC bracket, PM me if interested.

[Bill Brown]

The main problem is that it's not just the plastic tabs on the glass, but also 2 plastic tabs on the regulator track that are giving way/wearing. I need to put the old noggin back in gear and come up with another fix.Did you devise a fix? New OEM regulators from Isuzu did not solve the problem of my windows sliding out of their tracks when being raised.

As my 1999 Ironman did not get driven as much as most, neither did my windows get used much. My window problems began in 2012. I'm relatively new to dealing with this problem.

Is there an effective long-term fix? TIA.

[Mile High VX]

The SBC window brackets and regular lubrication of the tracks has solved the issues for me. The previous owner did the bracket install and I keep my tracks lubed with heavy duty silicone about every three months.

So far no issues in 6 years...:bwgy::smilewink:bgwo::bgwb:

[Bill Brown]

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/photokat4/PARTS/DSCN7548.jpg
Seeing it installed in a VX would be helpful. TIA.

[xcelr8]

I have an extra set...PM me anyone if needed.

[Bulldoggie]

He took the vids during the 'window fixin party' at my place a few years ago. He's one of the lucky ones who has never had window problems. Anyway, we didn't have time for the adhesive to cure before the end of the day & I told everyone that they should not lower their windows for at least 24 hours. That's why he didn't show the windows functioning.

Long term is that on mine, the brackets didn't completely fix the problem. I still have tilting on the passenger side (even after tweeking the tracks and making adjustments to the regulator). The main problem is that it's not just the plastic tabs on the glass, but also 2 plastic tabs on the regulator track that are giving way/wearing. I need to put the old noggin back in gear and come up with another fix.

The window lifting arm pulling away from the regulator track is the reason I came up with the washers on the regulator mounting bolts. The goal is to have the arm directly under the glass and still next to the track for the entire travel of open to closed. I tested this by raising and lowering the glass while it is unbolted from the arm. The plastic pad in the middle of the arm should stay under the glass from top to bottom of the track. Then bolt the window tabs.
It does nothing for the window tilt. (separate fix) but it does help for the window pinching the rubber weatherstripping and pushing out of the weatherstripping. it does keep the arm next to the track. You will still notice a slight rockin of the arm due to the curve of the glass, but the arm will still stay close to the track.

[circmand]

Sounds like I'm in danger of loosing my title as king procrastinator around here:)

I bought my SBC brackets back when they first came out. Just dropped my car off at the shop this morning to have them installed.

Who is king of procrastination now?

[Bill Brown]

I bought my SBC brackets back when they first came out. Just dropped my car off at the shop this morning to have them installed.

Who is king of procrastination now?Just returned from the shop where we talked about the SBC brackets. Who sells them?

[circmand]

Just returned from the shop where we talked about the SBC brackets. Who sells them?

It was a member on here but check out post 220 about 3-4 up he is selling his extra set

[VX KAT]

Just returned from the shop where we talked about the SBC brackets. Who sells them?

Bill, go see the post I just posted on the other window fix thread. It has the SBC contact info in that link I attached. Yes, they're still available and they're like $65 shipped.

[VX KAT]

Seeing it installed in a VX would be helpful. TIA.

Here's my thread with pics showing Tim installing them in mine. I actually had Tim Parker of SBC do the install, lucky as he's only about 100 miles from me, so I went to him..
http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=15322&highlight=tim+parker+sbc+brackets

[Scout]

Do you sell these brackets? Mine are broken off. Richard. Florida

[RodL]

You realize that was a 2014 post.

Not sure if VXKAT still visits. I was gone for many years, but recently came back. My 1999 sat for a couple years but is not getting back on the road at least during the summers.


Rod

ps, I might have the brackets and will take a photo of them once the VX gets out of the shop for it's current issue.

rl