"Don't Taze Me Bro!!!"

[Chopper]

University of Fla. dork....way to represent....thanx. Whatta Douche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

[cyronman]

you think that hurt?

:p

[WyrreJ]

Got what he deserved, didn't he!

[bigkoala1]

University of Fla. dork....way to represent....thanx. Whatta Douche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

I just want to say ,as a third generation native to florida, that this "meat head" must be canadian! jk

[WILLY]

Just typical cops blowing things out of proportion again, just cause the guy was acting a little stern with the quetions he was asking and went a little over there time limit for asking questions, come on wtf. :thumbdn:

[Ascinder]

I heard this was staged. He based it off of similar campus antics out of California. They individual who did it there settled with the University for 2.5 million. Just another poser looking for a quick buck. Just look at the video and realize what a phony this guy is. Also, I do agree those campus cops can be retards-too much time and too little action=trigger happy enforco-nazis. :eek:

[Chopper]

Here, the news claims it was staged, but they seem to think it was a you-tube thing..he has done something similar before. Regardless, all he had to do was step away...he created the entire situation. Lucky I wasn't the cop...I'd have tasered him in the co-cos for being so damn annoying, not over some first amendment stuff. I think we should all have an official, Marlin Perkins, dart gun....when others around you behave like idiots....put 'em to sleep for a while. Never seemed to hurt the Rhino any :bgwb: :yesb:

[WyrreJ]

The news does not claim it was staged. The police under investigation are the ones claiming that and the news is reporting what the police public relations people said.

As for the UCLA incident. There has been no settlement. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Taser_incident
If you watch it on youtube, it's a lot worse than what happened in Florida - they repeatedly tasered the kid while demanding that he stand up - something that is difficult if not impossible to do if you've just been tasered. They even threaten bystanders to stop filming or they'll get tasered too.

When there is a lot of hype and coverage like this it's a good idea to keep in mind that just because the results are big does not mean the people involved had any intention to create the results. This is very interesting essay on the phenomenon: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/07/securitymatters_0712

[Triathlete]

Its better than the alternative...at least he lives to annoy another day! :yesy: I work around some of the biggest idiots in the world and my motto is I am going home at the end of the day in one piece. If that means I tase someone or spoil their day with O.C. spray, so be it!

[WyrreJ]

Its better than the alternative...at least he lives to annoy another day! :yesy: That's a false analogy. The alternative in this case is not death.

[bigkoala1]

I am a bouncer at a night club on the beach. cops there "tase" people all the time that are out of control. i asked one of them one time, "why so trigger happy" the officer said its for the cops saftey. you dont know what diseases they have , they could have a weapon on them etc. this was the cops reason, not mine

[Triathlete]

That's a false analogy. The alternative in this case is not death.

Guess he was just misunderstood and a good spanking would have done the trick. :rolly:

[WyrreJ]

Guess he was just misunderstood and a good spanking would have done the trick. :rolly:

Are you serious? If you didn't have a taser, you would have shot the guy? While he was face down with six people over him? You can't be serious.

[psychos2]

The moral of the story is DON'T RESIST ARREST and you will not be tazered. With all the **** that has gone on ,they take no chances. The guy could have a gun,knife,bomb,or aids.People did not like being shot,they do not like pepper spray,and now they do not like the tazer.Make up your mind. The guy was clearly out of control. All he had to do was let them hand cuff him and we would not be having this discussion. Again ,ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS LET THEM HAND CUFF HIM. He was a idiot and got what he deserved. shawn

[WormGod]

I watched the clip a few times and frankly speaking, when a cop(s) drag you away and you give the slightest hint of pulling away, you are resisting. Resisting, by most police procedure, is most likely an open window to use restraining force. Lucky for him, I guess, getting tazed and pi55ing yourself is a lot better than getting physically handled. Years ago in my college years, I was "handled" by mutliple police officers for being stupid and I was quite unruly. I showed signs of my unruliness on my body for a week after. A tazer might have saved me all of that, heh. So ya, I say this guy was lucky.

[Triathlete]

Are you serious? If you didn't have a taser, you would have shot the guy? While he was face down with six people over him? You can't be serious.

Never said I'd shoot him. But you use the least amount of force necessary to get the job done. As Wormgod said, all he had to do was comply...very simple solution!

[WyrreJ]

Never said I'd shoot him. But you use the least amount of force necessary to get the job done. As Wormgod said, all he had to do was comply...very simple solution!
Funny, what I read was you saying that the alternative was "[not living] to annoy another day." That does not sound like "the least amount of force necessary to me."

The thing about tasers is that they are "less lethal" not "non lethal" so getting an arm twisted may indeed be the preferred choice.

And of course all of this ignores the question of WTF are they doing arresting someone for speaking past the limit at a political rally. As if that doesn't happen all the time. Next time a presidential candidate goes over the limit in a debate will he get arrested?

[circmand]

If the government hadn't made manufacturers liable when they use their products in an unintended manner odds are this dick would have taken himself out years by using his hair dryer in the shower or something equally moronic. Now I am not saying we should let the cops shoot morons like this but he is definately in the class of people I consider the world would be better off without. Other members Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Terrel Owens, Carrot Top, Andy Dick, Courtney Love. Basically the only useful thing this butthead is converting Oxygen into Carbon Dioxide.

[nocturnalVX]

...ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS LET THEM HAND CUFF HIM...

All they had to do is escort him out. He said repeatedly he'd leave if they got off him. Power-crazed rent-a-cop campus security... that is all. Even if he was "out of line" or over his time limit for questions. No reason for treating anyone (no matter how annoying) like this in "The Land of the Free".

[JHarris1385]

If the government hadn't made manufacturers liable when they use their products in an unintended manner odds are this dick would have taken himself out years by using his hair dryer in the shower or something equally moronic. Now I am not saying we should let the cops shoot morons like this but he is definately in the class of people I consider the world would be better off without. Other members Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Terrel Owens, Carrot Top, Andy Dick, Courtney Love. Basically the only useful thing this butthead is converting Oxygen into Carbon Dioxide.


Now common you hate Dallas that much. T.O? Why?

[WILLY]

All they had to do is escort him out. He said repeatedly he'd leave if they got off him. Power-crazed rent-a-cop campus security... that is all. Even if he was "out of line" or over his time limit for questions. No reason for treating anyone (no matter how annoying) like this in "The Land of the Free".

CORRECTOMUNDO :)

[circmand]

Now common you hate Dallas that much. T.O? Why?

Because while he is a good athlete he is not anywhere near as great as he thinks he is. He is also a big whining crying baby except unlike him the babay will grow up. And it is never his fault when anything goes wrong and it is always because of him if things go well. BTW hated him long before he got to Dallas.

[JHarris1385]

Because while he is a good athlete he is not anywhere near as great as he thinks he is. He is also a big whining crying baby except unlike him the babay will grow up. And it is never his fault when anything goes wrong and it is always because of him if things go well. BTW hated him long before he got to Dallas.


His stats are quite great this year.

Back to topic........

[geshaw30]

As a street cop here in Houston (for wayyyy tooo long) I'll give you my humble opinion on the video & the taser. I've watched most all of the youtube videos to try and get a different visual perspective. I've come to the conclusion that perhaps the campus police did over react based strictly on the video. However here are some thoughts to consider when passing final judgment on police actions.

First and foremost is you weren't there- and I mean right there on top of the guy trying to restrain him. It's often different than the scene actually appears. I have been bit, spit on, and threatened with all kinds of nasty transferable diseases when taking someone into custody. From as close as a few feet away you, the witness, cannot see someone preparing to set his molars and cuspeds into my wrist. The problem with this particular scenario is there appeared to be “too many cooks” trying to make the arrest. That many officers tend to get in each others way it appears that may have been a problem in this case.

The second consideration is use of force. I get no joy, bliss, or spiritual uplifting, in the use of force. In fact for all the years I’ve carried a taser on my belt I’ve never had to fire it. I’ve found the gun’s red laser sight on someone’s chest with an accompanying explanation of what might follow (aka- “ride the lightning”) is usually sufficient enough. But often times all the talk in the world cannot prevent physical interaction. Those are the bad days.

In the end it comes down to what Triathlete aptly said in the post above: my motto is I am going home at the end of the day in one piece.

[Chopper]

In the end it comes down to what Triathlete aptly said in the post above: my motto is I am going home at the end of the day in one piece.[/QUOTE]
AMEN! Maybe because I haven't seen You-Tube's versions, and I'm working off the local news coverage...What I saw was someone Yelling (not asking) accusatory questions, in a "machine gun" rapid fire sequence, not allowing for any sort of answer. Dude tried to answer...a few times, but junior was on a soapbox and was having none of it. He was at a fever pitch when he was told his time was up...he could have stepped down and it would have been over. Remember, this was a Q&A session not a public soapbox to stand and make statements. He probably could have gotten away with that, if he'd gone about it in a calm, rational manner...he was foaming at the mouth. I'm not a cop....hardly :rolleyes: but if I had to subdue someone all whacked out like that...I'm doing it the way that is quickest and involves my body the least. Deal with knuckleheads day in and day out, I think most would zap 'em pretty quickly, when the person in question is all aggitated. It will take the uncooperative out of you pretty quickly, after all....and all get to go home.

[psychos2]

All they had to do is escort him out. He said repeatedly he'd leave if they got off him. Power-crazed rent-a-cop campus security... that is all. Even if he was "out of line" or over his time limit for questions. No reason for treating anyone (no matter how annoying) like this in "The Land of the Free".

After they tried to escort him out and he made the big fuss ,at that point it was too late. He went too far. They put him down and tried to cuff him. At this point he said let me go and I will leave. Well at this point that was not an option. He was told that and was told that they would tazer him if he did not stop. He went too far plain and simple. shawn

[WyrreJ]

In the end it comes down to what Triathlete aptly said in the post above: my motto is I am going home at the end of the day in one piece.
AMEN! Maybe because I haven't seen You-Tube's versions, and I'm working off the local news coverage...What I saw was someone Yelling (not asking) accusatory questions, in a "machine gun" rapid fire sequence, not allowing for any sort of answer. Dude tried to answer...a few times, but junior was on a soapbox and was having none of it.

I'd have to say you are completely wrong. Although your interpretation is far too common. The guy had a 3 step question where the first two questions were really rhetorical, just laying out the basis for his real question. Paraphrased it went like this:

1) The election was really close - in fact based on this book here you actually won. Why did you conceded so easily?
2) If clinton could get impeached over a blowjob, why haven't you tried to impeach bush for his recklessness with respect to Iraq?
3) Is the reason you conceded and won't push for impeachment because you two are members of skull and bones? (and thus by implication sworn to always support one another in all things)

If he had let Kerry answer the first or second question, he would never have had a chance to ask his real question. Without the background of his first two points, the third question would have been meaningless.

So the smartass response is to say, "well duh, he didn't get an answer this way either" but that should cause people to ask, "why?" It's easy to join the herd and denigrate the guy for getting worked up when they started hassling him (note he only got agitated at about 1 minute in when the female officer tried to pull him back and he shook her off). But time limits at political Q&A's are guidelines not rules. If you were asking an important question don't you think you would get agitated if someone cut you off and tried to haul you away in the middle of it? The alternative is that all questions are limited to sound-bites which, in my not so humble opinion, would be a terrible way to run a political Q&A. Perhaps you disagree.

I'll take it one step further. If you believe in freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and the right to hold our politicians accountable, then his response was the right one. If he had not struggled or yelled, he would have been hauled off and locked up without a second of news coverage. That kind of thing happens all the time and usually the charges are dropped with a "no harm, no foul" kind of attitude.

Except there is harm, harm to the political process. It's really not that much different from Bush's "free speech zones" - where you can have all the freedom of expression you want, but no one can hear you.

George Bernard Shaw said, "Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men." It's important to remember that our founding fathers were unreasonable men. The ones who fought the British for independence were a minority of the population and much of the rest of populace wanted nothing to do with them, they were happy enough with the way things were and thought the likes of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin ought to just shut up and go the hell away.

[Mark Miller]

He knew what he was doing and what was going to happen to him, (maybe not the tasering).

He could have asked his real question without using the shock value questions. Reworded he could have had two questions answered.
Like: Since you and Bush are members of skull and bones, is that the reason you conceded and didn’t push for President Bush’s impeachment for his recklessness with respect to Iraq. Then wait for the answer.


To the tasering:
It would have only taken one officer if he was not resisting.
When he was being escorted out he was still OK, until he pulled away.
He pulled away and put many people in the audience in Danger.
You may say he was not dangerous, the officers wouldn’t know either way.
Since HE pulled away it took it to the next level to where they put him down.
Was tasering necessary? Maybe, maybe not, but he would Not have been tasered if he wasn’t resisting.

[WyrreJ]

He knew what he was doing and what was going to happen to him, (maybe not the tasering).If he knew that he would be hauled off for talking too long, then more power to him. Arresting someone for asking a question that went beyond a sound-bite is not something that happens in a free country.


He could have asked his real question without using the shock value questions. Reworded he could have had two questions answered.
Like: Since you and Bush are members of skull and bones, is that the reason you conceded and didn’t push for President Bush’s impeachment for his recklessness with respect to Iraq. Then wait for the answer.So what, only politicians get to use rhetoric? "I don't like the way you asked that question" is just a hairsbreath away from "I don't like the question you asked." He did not insult Mr Kerry, nor did he threaten Mr Kerry. Anything beyond that should be fair game in a free country.


he would Not have been tasered if he wasn’t resisting.And he would not have been resisting if they had not laid hands on him for talking too long.

[Hotsauce]

When Kerry said "Its allright, I'll answer the question" They should have stopped.

In my opinion that was giving him permission to stand for the answer.

John C.

[WILLY]

When Kerry said "Its allright, I'll answer the question" They should have stopped.

In my opinion that was giving him permission to stand for the answer.

John C.

CORRECTOMUNDO. :)

[Scott Harness]

He got tazered for resisting,not for the questions. You couldn't pay me enough to be a cop now days. Way too many idiots out there.

[circmand]

I suggest the club put out a memorandom on how to check for exhaust leaks in your VX. Way too many people think this SOB deserves to do what he wants when he wants how he wants and everybody else should just sit there and take it.

1st someone mentions time limits are a guideline and not a rule when doing Q&A. Except on talk shows time limits are defined and enforced. This gives more people a chance to ask their questions.

The free speech argument is nuts. Everyone has a right to speak their own mind. The Constitution does not require Government or it's citizens to be a forced audience to a ranting lunatic. This Moron can arrange his own event and run them any way he likes. If he comes to someone elses event he must follow their rules.

These wingnuts know that no one wants to listen to what they have to say that is why they are crashing other events and trying to force people to listen to their rantings.

Your freedom of speech does not trump my right to ignore what you have to say nor to interefere with my freedom of speech when I am following the rules. This guy was warned many times and ignored the warnings. Frankly I think they should have zapped him again.

[ZEUS]

I want a Tazer! Contrary to belief, I can't really put a bolt of lightning down anybody's shorts... but with a Tazer, my dreams of being the GOD of Lightning would come true and I would finally earn my screen name! :rolleyes:

[WyrreJ]

I want a Tazer! Contrary to belief, I can't really put a bolt of lightning down anybody's shorts... but with a Tazer, my dreams of being the GOD of Lightning would come true and I would finally earn my screen name! :rolleyes:

It's trivially easy to build a taser out of a disposable camera - the power source for the flash is the key component. However, you are likely to end up with a device that is a lot more lethal.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2049857_taser-from-disposable-camera.html

The flip-side of frequent taser use is that people are going to start figuring out how to protect themselves. It doesn't take much, just a conductive layer of clothing. As long as both eletrodes touch the conductive layer, the electricity won't enter the person's body - even if the darts are also embedded in the person's skin.

There is already a company selling clothing with a layer of conductive polyester embedded. They look just like regular street clothes. They even have a video of a guy getting tasered in various ways without any side-effects (for example, they've got a baseball cap with the material in it and they put a taser directly to the guy's head in 'drive-stun' mode and nothing happens to him). They call it Thor Shield.

[circmand]

It's trivially easy to build a taser out of a disposable camera - the power source for the flash is the key component. However, you are likely to end up with a device that is a lot more lethal.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2049857_taser-from-disposable-camera.html

The flip-side of frequent taser use is that people are going to start figuring out how to protect themselves. It doesn't take much, just a conductive layer of clothing. As long as both eletrodes touch the conductive layer, the electricity won't enter the person's body - even if the darts are also embedded in the person's skin.

There is already a company selling clothing with a layer of conductive polyester embedded. They look just like regular street clothes. They even have a video of a guy getting tasered in various ways without any side-effects (for example, they've got a baseball cap with the material in it and they put a taser directly to the guy's head in 'drive-stun' mode and nothing happens to him). They call it Thor Shield.


That may keep them from being tasered but my guess is unless the clothing is made with a layer of Kevlar the people who end up then getting shot by the cops are going to wish they only got tasered.

Why people think a cop should risk his life limb, or health to protect the health of the person or persons who are allegedly breaking the law is beyond me.

Of course if this had happened at a Republican Q&A the liberals would be blaming the politicians and not the cops. I do not beleive Kerry had anything to do with this but that would not stop the liberals.

[Dino]

The guy was simply asking questions. Kerry was fine with that if you just listen...

The Dude in the v-neck suit behind student says something to lady cop at about 45 seconds into students question period.

The fecal matter hits the fan at about two minutes when he mentions skull & bones. Kerry says, "that's alright, I'll answer the question." but the security has their own idea of what to do, and to back down would show weakness and lessen their default authoratative position.

Right Tri-A??

At the point when the lady cop grabs the student, he stands his ground BECAUSE HE HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

THIS WAS OUT OF LINE!!!! THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!!

WHAT IF, they had let the guy just stand there and get his answer??? What would have happened??

Nothing would have happened. Kerry knows how to handle questions.. at least he should by now don't you think?? He would have answered with some wonderful words about college and education etc. and how great it is we live in a country where you can impeach a president if you don't think he should get a blowjob... bla bla...

Now... IF at that point he became beligerant and refused to step down, security would be a bit more JUSTIFIED to step in.

What these amatures did was pointless and unfounded.

How long before we get arrested for what we might do based on summary judgement?
Read some Phillip K. Dick.


I can't wait for the bashing I'm about to get from the right...

ouch!

go ahead... it's a free country. :nuke:

[psychos2]

The guy was simply asking questions. Kerry was fine with that if you just listen...

The Dude in the v-neck suit behind student says something to lady cop at about 45 seconds into students question period.

The fecal matter hits the fan at about two minutes when he mentions skull & bones. Kerry says, "that's alright, I'll answer the question." but the security has their own idea of what to do, and to back down would show weakness and lessen their default authoratative position.

Right Tri-A??

At the point when the lady cop grabs the student, he stands his ground BECAUSE HE HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

THIS WAS OUT OF LINE!!!! THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!!

WHAT IF, they had let the guy just stand there and get his answer??? What would have happened??

Nothing would have happened. Kerry knows how to handle questions.. at least he should by now don't you think?? He would have answered with some wonderful words about college and education etc. and how great it is we live in a country where you can impeach a president if you don't think he should get a blowjob... bla bla...

Now... IF at that point he became beligerant and refused to step down, security would be a bit more JUSTIFIED to step in.

What these amatures did was pointless and unfounded.

How long before we get arrested for what we might do based on summary judgement?
Read some Phillip K. Dick.


I can't wait for the bashing I'm about to get from the right...

ouch!

go ahead... it's a free country. :nuke:

The Idiot was not up there to ask questions and get answers. He was up there to make kerry look bad. He was up there to point the finger at him and say you did this. It was more of a guilty until proven guilty thing going on. I think he was trying to get tazered. And It was probably his friends video taping it. shawn

[ZEUS]

It's trivially easy to build a taser out of a disposable camera - the power source for the flash is the key component. However, you are likely to end up with a device that is a lot more lethal.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2049857_taser-from-disposable-camera.html

That is pretty interesting stuff. Kinda freaks me out! Who would be more inclined to make something like that work? An aspiring vigilante or an aspiring criminal or a non-aspiring potential victim? Some kid tried to tag my fence a week ago and some kid was caught stealing my neighbor's bike this week. Some kid's don't have any remorse or respect these days - TAZE 'EM! Seriously, my neighbor ran after this 15 y.o. kid who was holding huge bolt cutters and a bike that wasn't his. The kid threw everything down and ran. He was caught, wrestled down, put in a choke hold, then the cops were called. The kid was just saying, "Come on man, just let me go, it's not that big a deal." Never apologized! What could the cops do to a 15 y.o. anyway? I say taze the little $#!thead and teach him a lesson! Or better yet remove his thumbs with his own bolt cutters. :eek: I know, "too far!" But who is to stop a kid like that from taking the next step by making a taser out of a camera to surprise someone who just got home and is unlocking their own front door? ZAP, instant access to a home. ZAP, instant ATM withdrawal. ZAP, instant car jack. ZAP, instant rape victim. It is no wonder people are trying to come up with clothing to protect themselves from tasers. I could see tasers becoming a real problem.

[Dino]

The Idiot was not up there to ask questions and get answers. He was up there to make kerry look bad. He was up there to point the finger at him and say you did this. It was more of a guilty until proven guilty thing going on. I think he was trying to get tazered. And It was probably his friends video taping it. shawn


This was a fascist act. He was tazered AFTER he reacted to a violation of his rights, that being free speech.

[Chopper]

It's trivially easy to build a taser out of a disposable camera - the power source for the flash is the key component. However, you are likely to end up with a device that is a lot more lethal.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2049857_taser-from-disposable-camera.html

The flip-side of frequent taser use is that people are going to start figuring out how to protect themselves. It doesn't take much, just a conductive layer of clothing. As long as both eletrodes touch the conductive layer, the electricity won't enter the person's body - even if the darts are also embedded in the person's skin.

There is already a company selling clothing with a layer of conductive polyester embedded. They look just like regular street clothes. They even have a video of a guy getting tasered in various ways without any side-effects (for example, they've got a baseball cap with the material in it and they put a taser directly to the guy's head in 'drive-stun' mode and nothing happens to him). They call it Thor Shield.I like the way you pay attention

[etlsport]

This was a fascist act. He was tazered AFTER he reacted to a violation of his rights, that being free speech.


i won't get in to how i feel about the use of force or politics... but if i were to be hassled by an officer for jaywalking... and resisted arrest to the point that it took multiple officers to hold me down.. they would taze me and it would have nothing to do with my political views

[Chopper]

If any of the "Skull and Bones" stuff is true, Kerry never could have answered that question for real anyway....Gotta say though, some Bonesmen have done very, very well in the last...oh...seven or eight years. Wow!