Front cladding trim, rock bumper and slidders [Text View]

Triathlete

06/08/2008, 08:25 PM

So its time to start the front end transformation!
Today I started by using a blow dryer to heat up my old (crash damaged) front cladding and push the deformities out.
This is how it looked after...
http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/25/004/3F/ED/24/A5/HmAA+hJIKdmpKvjyZihzndS10xx4bKur0300.jpg

http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/24/003/7D/F8/CA/8B/mbO-nSKvnvFJa5PPWXoWgXBU-MmGGfxN0300.jpg

http://shutter11.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/26/009/6D/FB/8C/46/A8pcqgT-gk3vtTsplaqlxXzA9eKuTc6s0300.jpg

http://shutter12.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/23/007/7E/AC/46/9C/IKZqSYQqsMg9lY+eR6aB+HroZOM8jLrT0300.jpg

After a little soap and water plus some accitone to get the grease pencil off...
http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/25/001/7E/7F/5B/04/bpJ6OYF7lKchQ32+-u44LyNsFz1l-YzY0300.jpg

Taped for the cutting. It will get cut along the lower edge of the tape. The corners will be rounded...
http://shutter11.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/26/005/6F/3D/2E/53/nMmoHSZXfbSM-6-MrmP7SBwapDJZLaZU0300.jpg

http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/26/002/6B/EB/08/77/ijTgm7z4SmYF882-f+gRXG-kxdueUIfg0300.jpg

More to come as progress is made. Stric9 will be doing the fab work. The front bumper will be getting its ques from this one that I like...
http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/24/001/7E/DE/81/4E/DFcQv8q0+l2omweGqRDlITvCrhDquYvb0300.jpg:cool:

taylorRichie

06/08/2008, 08:29 PM

tomdietrying

06/08/2008, 08:40 PM

Billy,
I really like this idea of yours!!!! Just like Taylor, I'm anxiously waiting to see how this turns out. I think it's going to be, what do the young ones says now days, oh yeah.....IT'S GOING TO BE SICK!!!!:bgwg:
Peace.
Tom
012009

Triathlete

06/08/2008, 09:22 PM

Tom, you mean "sic"!:cool: Sick = ;puke2;
I will ask Stric9 to make a guide of the bumpers (just as they did the sliders) for future productions of them if there is posible interest in them.
I need to figure out what will be best to cut the clading with...cut off wheel or sawzall.

taylorRichie

06/08/2008, 11:01 PM

Dremel Dremel Dremel...

With Cut off wheels, or the larger "metal grinding" wheel... It cuts the cladding like butta.

And it leaves a nice clean edge. I've been using it the past few days to do my trimming for wheel fitment. As well as for my tone hitch install.

Very small easy to control etc... Highly recommend it. (wear gloves)

Triathlete

06/08/2008, 11:09 PM

Thanks, I will have to see if I can pick up a cheap one around here.

etlsport

06/08/2008, 11:40 PM

agreed! when i did tones hitch i used an angle grinder to cut the bulk of the material to about 1/4 to 1/8 inch of where my lines were.. then used the dremmel sanding drum to take it down smoothly to where i needed it... thats how i did my roof rail covers and my flush mounted scangauge too.. good stuff.. i think i paid like 70 bucks for my dremmel almost 5 years ago and maybe 50 on accessories for it over the years ive owned it

cyronman

06/09/2008, 01:37 AM

Billy,

I bought a "dremel" (not sure the actual brand name) at Costco last year for under $20 to cut my cladding.

It worked fine. I'm pretty sure it's not as nice as an actual Dremel, but take a look at it just for comparison purposes. Just a heads up.

Good Luck!

tomdietrying

06/09/2008, 10:04 AM

Triathlete,
O.K. I think I have the lingo down.......Now, I just have to get the spelling down. lol :)
Peace.
Tom
012009

Solitude

06/11/2008, 11:06 AM

Hey Billy, When ya get this project done and you want to sell your front cladding.. Let Me know.. I have a little part chewed up on mine and think I might want to go the that route also..

They say duplication is the ultimate form of envy

Jeff

taylorRichie

06/11/2008, 05:19 PM

imitation is also the sincerest form of flattery ;)

I'm sure he'll have a few followers... :D it's already been 3 days... I wonder what the hold up is ;) just playin'

Ldub

06/11/2008, 06:45 PM

I'll be anxiously awaiting this build.

I'd love to do something similar. An Aggressive pre runner winch mount bumper would be very cool on a VX.

I was having one fabbed up for my S10 back in the day...

Billy,
I really like this idea of yours!!!! Just like Taylor, I'm anxiously waiting to see how this turns out. I think it's going to be, what do the young ones says now days, oh yeah.....IT'S GOING TO BE SICK!!!!:bgwg:
Peace.
Tom
012009

Me Three!:naughty:

Triathlete

06/14/2008, 07:41 PM

Got a bit done today. Bought a rotary tool and attempted to cut the cladding with it...would have took me a week (probably because the tool was of the cheap variety). So I broke out the big gun...
http://shutter09.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/21/00A/5B/8D/16/3E/yeQsIa6Wh34J4Qk1y9-zX+P9xQ3jdIyk0300.jpg
Sawzall's rock!

Un-needed plastic!
http://shutter06.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/007/6C/DB/62/36/oj1SSLmRfW1pIRHgK+3LQkAL8bBuxGv70300.jpg

Cladding...new and improved
http://shutter09.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/17/004/6A/EC/29/5C/sm5b7FYz2g5BxNhbj24qNoD0WBMsfjMa0300.jpg

http://shutter06.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/00A/3B/A7/F0/79/9LI6w5zZ40RpzBCTJmJftpSposmFQJUL0300.jpg

Tape removed and cleaned up a bit...
http://shutter09.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/05/004/7D/DB/EE/09/HniBjOl6E+ju8V6My5ohPEYwdozUt5XF0300.jpg

http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/23/008/7A/7F/33/AE/LwLZqLzb2DNlmcQzs++Ohrw5bBbmANYp0300.jpg

Instant 4 inches of front end clearance and improved approach angle!!!!!:cool:

If I have time tomorrow I will be installing it and placing that new cladding piece in storage!

Triathlete

06/15/2008, 10:07 PM

More progress...

Removed grill
http://shutter04.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/02/004/67/2B/7A/B7/xdlnmi3yVXMn8YGwvkZ8zXWGsI6zbyOG0300.jpg
(notice new radiator, and a/c fan:))

Naked front end...cladding removed
http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/00D/2F/FF/6E/C9/kVv6JUYLOi8RwKB2fJebd5MOkot7blKI0300.jpg

New cladding removed and ready to go into storage
http://shutter06.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/006/5B/DF/C0/49/SmGPZWYjPnOQIGjeWnL8Rh+DM8jWn7AX0300.jpg

Cut cladding going back on
http://shutter14.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/24/005/7F/CF/1D/9B/VCuTqdCTW4xDB0Dcr46Mo4B88iO3ij5L0300.jpg

http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/00D/6F/FF/81/9F/iFF6IzDyq4T5JvUgBnwJvrOMQV0XEitm0300.jpg

Triathlete

06/15/2008, 10:14 PM

22+ inches of clearance to the plastic! (thats a 16 in. ruler)
http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/23/007/75/F7/F5/A6/aQwUlyELKGjFmVN623t5gicbw7lT7N4X0300.jpg

http://shutter14.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/23/006/7F/7F/5B/65/pU+vq1B9FdGdMo8PjpJl7ji2Q2k1zgIe0300.jpg

http://shutter09.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/02/011/35/B3/64/B6/IG3wv3b1w1ah8Oya5xAFy9pq6VXf1n+70300.jpg

http://shutter10.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/02/007/5F/DB/76/A4/Y+mLl5En4h1qLuGOFpLOXQ7CuDDXaTUl0300.jpg

http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/00F/69/ED/B8/97/OC6EauciH0yCxK8G4tuOR1zpEFQrMdKh0300.jpg

http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/23/007/3D/6B/14/C2/whfoqsAcREwaPUJbpu9ACYdKJPl+SZWq0300.jpg

http://shutter08.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/01/018/2F/DB/92/5D/8LUqAawSZSKZOpFyJgg9nr+lmsMCDdlw0300.jpg

Next up...I will be getting with Stric9 to get the sliders and bumpers fab'd!:dance:

Ldub

06/15/2008, 10:29 PM

Triathlete

06/15/2008, 10:46 PM

Will do tomorrow...it was dark so the in-garage pics were the best I could do for now.

Triathlete

06/16/2008, 10:39 AM

Here you go Dub...

http://shutter10.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/04/001/5F/FF/45/7B/6B6hpUYf6QkYmdtFIDzv6IEv7jT+0Ec20300.jpg

http://shutter10.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/04/007/77/BF/57/46/33tIgrntqvPy-d2V+eXuapq9ZV12ptD20300.jpg

http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/25/006/6D/DF/EE/00/cH-ktF5ImNf-F4P5axBnZHgPtM+rsvu60300.jpg

http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/04/007/67/EF/70/DC/Qqte0RjAZ14CpnsVicWO0-PoOxa4FCFY0300.jpg

Phase 1 complete!

Ldub

06/16/2008, 12:15 PM

Thanks Mang...:thumbup:

That gives me a much better idea of what you're going for.:cool:

This-a-gonna look much nice!:_wrench:

Knivx

06/16/2008, 03:23 PM

Very nice! Is the bumper going to be mainly under the cladding then? I'm still hazy as to precisely what your going for but am very interested nonetheless (is that supposed to be one word?):_confused Anywho very nice and i look forward to seeing the completed project! What are you gonna do about the little bumper tube things that are now exposed?

taylorRichie

06/16/2008, 05:08 PM

Knivx

06/16/2008, 07:11 PM

So it would seem that all the clearance gained by trimming is going to be lost to a bumper? I could see like a simple bar like a rock slider for the front but maybe i'm still not looking fourth dimensionally or something. Either way can't wait to see it!

Ldub

06/16/2008, 09:48 PM

Awesome! Wish I had a spare bumper to mess with :) Great forward clearance.

Knivx, I believe he's going to put a bumper similar to this
http://www.redrockfab.com/shop/images/detailed_images/EJS08-05512081994634803a927292fe.jpg

Below the cladding as it sits now.

So it would seem that all the clearance gained by trimming is going to be lost to a bumper? I could see like a simple bar like a rock slider for the front but maybe i'm still not looking fourth dimensionally or something. Either way can't wait to see it!

This was his target "LOOK"...

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/000_01.jpg

At the bottom of post #1 in this thread.:smilewink

Triathlete

06/16/2008, 11:34 PM

Yep, LDub is correct. Tube and depending on space maybe a spot for a winch.

nfpgasmask

06/17/2008, 09:43 AM

Damn Billy! Your VX is going to be a lean, mean, wheeling machine! That's awesome you still have a nice piece of front cladding for when your VX needs to go to weddings and other formal occasions. I can't wait to see the end result!

Bart

Knivx

06/17/2008, 04:29 PM

Ldub

06/17/2008, 04:55 PM

What's wrong with a beastly looking VX at a wedding? Who says right afterwards he's not gonna be hittin the trails? :_steering
Lol I really wish I could get my VX looking beasty and mean by my wedding to roll off in, but with only 2 months to go it ain't gonna happen.

Well...you COULD postpone the wedding...:naughty:

I mean, a guy HAS to have his priorities straight...:smilewink

What better test of your Betty's love?...:rolleyesg

Knivx

06/17/2008, 05:27 PM

While I'm at it then i better make a sweet roof rack with a tent something cuz i definitely wouldn't have a place to sleep. :_brickwal So maybe not. lol

LittleBeast

06/18/2008, 12:09 PM

Yep, LDub is correct. Tube and depending on space maybe a spot for a winch.

From the looks of the pictures are you thinking of rounding off the edges of the cladding? I am thinking of a nice gentle sweeping angle from the wheel weel to the blinker. Right now the 90 degree angle cut in the cladding looks definitely cut and I don't think it fits the feel of the VX right now. If you are going to have a lot of hard angles and straight lines in the bumper than I could see it coming together nicely in the end, but just a thought. I think I would round the edge, but once you cut you can never go back. What were your thoughts?

LittleBeast

06/18/2008, 12:27 PM

Maybe like this:
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/modded2.JPG
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/modded3.JPG

Triathlete

06/18/2008, 01:47 PM

I left mine straight for now because I think it will work with the bumper better. Once the bumper is done there may be some additional trimming.

Triathlete

06/21/2008, 03:08 PM

I have found that with the bottom of the cladding cut the VX runs a bit cooler.:cool: I am assuming it is allowing more air flow to the radiator from the bottom. The cladding actually blocks a lot of air from the bottom since it has a big foam block in there that keeps air from flowing from the bottom when in its stock form.

taylorRichie

06/22/2008, 11:35 AM

Found this browsing the gallery... Looks spot on for what you're going for.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/302a.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/8334)

Almost trimmed the same!

tomdietrying

06/22/2008, 02:53 PM

Nice find Taylor!
Peace.
Tom
012009

Triathlete

06/22/2008, 06:24 PM

I actually have a front pic of the Geolander VX floating around my computer someplace. I have always liked it. That front bumper is tied in to a full cage and the upper supports come out of the engine compartment just below the hood. It also has about $3000 worth of HID's sitting on it!

tomdietrying

07/06/2008, 10:03 AM

Billy,
So what's the skinny on your project? Fill us in. Fill us in. Fill us in. Oh yeah, please fill us in with pics too.
Peace.
Tom
012009

Triathlete

07/06/2008, 12:54 PM

Still waiting on the fabricator to have some free time. As soon as anything happens you guys will see it!

Triathlete

07/30/2008, 12:01 AM

Okay, heres a little update. I will be meeting with Richard from Stric9 either Thurs. or Fri. morning to touch basis on the bumper project! So hopefully the wait will not be to much longer!:dance:

Triathlete

07/31/2008, 09:58 AM

Just returned from meeting with Richard. Everything went well! He is going to weld up my sliders and from the pics he took of the VX is going to do some drawings of the bumper. When the sliders get done he is going to install them and we are going to go over the drawings and then he will get started on the bumpers. The rear bumper will probably have a reciever hitch incorperated into it! I will update as soon as I have more progress to report!:thumbup:

So-CalVX

07/31/2008, 12:15 PM

I think this was answered but......
are these gonna be one off parts or would he make more?
or atleast keep the designs so others can do the same thing

Triathlete

07/31/2008, 02:15 PM

Richard already has a jig for the rock sliders (to see them check Biju or TucsonVX's gallery) so they can be reproduced. I also told him that there may be some interest in the bumpers so he will be making a jig for them as well when he makes mine. These guys are a small home shop so it may take a bit of time if you have them made since they do it in their extra time but their work is top notch. Everyone I know that they have done work for has been satisfied.

LittleBeast

10/30/2008, 12:01 AM

Update?

Triathlete

10/30/2008, 11:47 AM

LittleBeast

10/30/2008, 01:02 PM

My sliders are ready...I just need to get together with Richard (Stric9) and get them welded on. At that time he is going to show me some bumper designs from the pics I gave him and then he will get started on those!

Cool I am sure you will keep us updated, but I am VERY interested in how this comes out and if I might do something similar, I at least ned to get sliders before Moab.

Triathlete

10/30/2008, 03:41 PM

Just let me know if you need Stric9's contact info!:cool:

Triathlete

10/30/2008, 08:32 PM

Update!
Tomorrow morning my VX goes under the knife...well not exactly. More like the welder! My sliders will be going on in the morning. Should have pics up by the afternoon. Standby!:cool:

Bieredalsace

11/01/2008, 01:25 PM

Why can't I see any of the pics in this entire post? Says "Image currently not available". I was gettin all excited to see what was happening and I have nothing to look at. Can anyone suggest a fix?( to the viewing problem that is......and "Yes" I have my glasses on!

Triathlete

11/02/2008, 05:04 PM

I had them hosted on AOL...but they are no longer going to host pics. I didn't think it was until the end of the year though?
But fret not...there shall be some updated pics momentarily!

tomdietrying

11/02/2008, 05:18 PM

Imagine Ted Knight in Caddy Shack

...........................Well, I'm waiting!

Peace.
Tom
012009

Triathlete

11/02/2008, 06:30 PM

Wait no more!
A quick recap of phase 1 (since I know my pics from then aren't working)...
Trimmed a bit of cladding...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/Trimmed%20cladding/P1010070.jpg

The finished product...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/Trimmed%20cladding/P1010068.jpg

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/Trimmed%20cladding/P1010065.jpg

Next it was a trip up the road to Oracle, Az. home of Stric9 Engineering...
Prepping the frame...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010074.jpg

The sliders sitting on the bench...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010072.jpg

Beefie frame mounts...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010073.jpg

Welding...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010071.jpg

Welded and ready to bash on...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010079.jpg

Gussets reinforcing the back...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010083.jpg

Priming for paint...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010084.jpg

Painted a nice flat black...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010086.jpg

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010088.jpg

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010092.jpg

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010093.jpg

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010094.jpg

Phase 2 complete!

We threw around a couple ideas for phase 3 (front and rear bumpers) and we think we came up with something that will be very sweet indeed! Bumpers will be tube rock bumpers with corner protection and a small stinger in front and will follow the lines of the VX nicely!
Remember all will have jigs made so if anyone else is interested they will be available!

VX1032

11/02/2008, 06:33 PM

I tried my sliders out a couple times this weekend, and they came through perfectly.

Triathlete

11/02/2008, 08:00 PM

Yep, mine got used this weekend also! (http://www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?threadid=14361) A few hard hits and they did there job!

Triathlete

11/02/2008, 08:18 PM

Oh, yeah! here is Richard's (Stric9) personal toy that he built...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010076.jpg

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010077.jpg

Stric9 beadlocks...
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/Rock%20sliders/P1010078.jpg
:_drool::_drool::_drool::_drool:

kodiak

11/02/2008, 09:33 PM

Awesome job, I need to get some rock sliders before Moab next year. God Goony bird was very kind to me this year. I had some on my 86 Bronco when some guy T boned me with his midsize Pontiac. It completely destroyed the front of the car and the only damage to the bronco was some trim that popped off and some paint scuffs on the slider bar. The officer that came to the seen thought it was a hit and run. I had to point out the scuffs on the bar.:p

pbkid

01/02/2009, 10:49 PM

no updates billy???

btw, are you still doing front and rear bumpers or just front???

Triathlete

01/02/2009, 10:51 PM

Front and back. I shot an email off to Richard today to see when we can get started since the holidays are now over.

CrnCnn

01/03/2009, 12:02 PM

Billy, do you have any idea how much this gonna cost?

I had posted a thread a while ago about puting a stinger on a vx but I like the direction this is heading.

Triathlete

01/03/2009, 04:32 PM

Not yet. Will let you know as soon as we get things figured out a bit more.

pbkid

01/03/2009, 07:46 PM

alright, well im just anxious to get some protection before moab :eek:

should have the sliders and skid plates by then at least...

tomdietrying

01/04/2009, 09:09 AM

Billy,
What do your plans look like? Do you have a drawing you can put up just for a little taste before the feast? I'm getting kinda hungry.
Peace.
Tom
012009

Triathlete

01/04/2009, 10:31 AM

Tom, plans are in my head. I don't have the proper cord to transfer them to the computer! They will bolt on to existing mounts. The front will replace the bumper bar and have a small stinger. Both bumpers will wrap around the corners for protection. The rear may have a reciever hitch.

pbkid

02/12/2009, 11:09 AM

updates???:_drool:

Triathlete

02/12/2009, 10:42 PM

Richard should be finishing up his hunting this week, so hopefully if all goes well I should be getting with him soon for measurements and to get the process rolling!

pbkid

07/31/2009, 04:58 PM

cmon billy...been almost 6 months...

no updates? ;)

yup, im gonna stay on you!

Marlin

07/31/2009, 05:05 PM

cmon billy...been almost 6 months...

no updates? ;)

yup, im gonna stay on you!

Yeah, whats up...:)

tomdietrying

07/31/2009, 05:19 PM

Imagine Ted Knight in Caddy Shack again

...........................Well, I'm waiting!

Peace.
Tom

Triathlete

07/31/2009, 05:28 PM

Imagine Ted Knight in Caddy Shack again

...........................Well, I'm waiting!

Peace.
Tom

So am I...Richard has a REAL job that unfortunately has bee keeping him super busy with a ton of overtime. I can give him a break though since his work involves building some really sweet prototype electric powered rock buggies to be used by our troops (special ops) in some extreme locations!

pbkid

07/31/2009, 06:31 PM

alright.... more patience it is... (hard for those of us with A.D.D.)

Marlin

07/31/2009, 06:38 PM

alright.... more patience it is... (hard for those of us with A.D.D.)

*sigh*, ADD, another made up american disorder...jsut admit that you are impatient, it isn't a disorder, it is a characteristic, like having a short temper. ;) Or being a smartass.

pbkid

07/31/2009, 06:42 PM

*sigh*, ADD, another made up american disorder...jsut admit that you are impatient, it isn't a disorder, it is a characteristic, like having a short temper. ;) Or being a smartass.

you talking about me? or yourself??? ;)

well...you tell me how this is a "made up disorder" my friend...
student gets D's and F's...take "medicinal speed" (which would make most kids worse) and suddenly they become a 3.0 student??

and even if it is a made up disorder.......adderall got me into...and through college! without it i would be working construction for the rest of my life, and now i have a chance to have a real job....well, construction or the military..ewww...

J/K CHRIS! i had to say it....

Marlin

07/31/2009, 06:57 PM

you talking about me? or yourself??? ;)

well...you tell me how this is a "made up disorder" my friend...
student gets D's and F's...take "medicinal speed" (which would make most kids worse) and suddenly they become a 3.0 student??

and even if it is a made up disorder.......adderall got me into...and through college! without it i would be working construction for the rest of my life, and now i have a chance to have a real job....well, construction or the military..ewww...

J/K CHRIS! i had to say it....

LOL, if no one was in the military, you wouldn't be able to live your drug altered life in freedom. As far as the results, adderall helps normal people do better as well, as recently portrayed on Hawthorne and some stupid other show about normal kids getting prescriptions, and now there is talk about it being like a mental steroids and how it should be eliminated for scholarship students. I am not a physically strong guy, but give me some steroids, and some gym time, and I could be just as strong as the best of them. Drugs have a very similar result as the brainwashing we do in our school. We do it without drugs, instead we control the environment and discipline. You would be surprised how much more effective discipline is than drugs. Making you stay up late, clean, and do other mundane tasks is great incentive to perform when no one has ever held you accountable before. America is in a rut of "it isn't your(my) fault", and no one is ever held responsible for their actions, that makes my job as an instructor much more difficult.
But I am glad you are successful, but you give yourself too little credit, you don't need pills to succeed, they just help you at first, it is all you brother, not some pharmaceutical concoction. Never forget that.

pbkid

07/31/2009, 09:16 PM

ah, dont get defensive my friend....both of my best friends joined the navy right out of high school...one is recently out and now goes to school and the other is on tour #2 in iraq... i have plenty of respect for military people, i just like to jab you ;)

and i lack want to learn certain subjects in school because i believe that i can achieve the same results in life without learning them. so why fill my brain with information that i will never use? save room for becoming extremely skilled at things that will get me far in life, or are hobbies. adderall just helps me pass the classes that i slack in ;)

sorry for the TJ billy!

back to your regularly scheduled program! :_beer: