Supercharger

[Robbomaz]

Hi folks!
Don't have a VX, unfortunately the cute little critters have never been available Downunder - do they even come in RHD? I have a Jackaroo (Trooper) chassis wearing a four door P'up body........:eek:
Anyway, I noticed some interest in supercharging - those with 3.5s heads up! I have made contact with the South Africans responsible for the Alpine Sports supercharger kits - they stopped making them because the exchange rates made the SC's themselves uneconomical. They have offered tech assistance and manufacture of small parts What is spurring this is this: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170322053311

We are looking at making parts to suit this SC on the 6VE1. I am hesitant to call them 'kits' per se, as you will need to have some DIY skills & input, but we are looking at supplying all the machined parts required, and support, so that someone who knows how to use a spanner will be able to do this.
We are doing this on 3 6VE1 vehicles here, and can make as many parts as there are people interested.
If interested reply here or PM me :bwgr:
Rob

[Petos]

Rob:

I can tell you one thing - depending on the price of the equipment, you can count on AT LEAST 3 orders from Russia, and, if the price is right, this number will be significantly higher. We can arrange shipping, we've done that before

Please keep us posted as soon as you have more detail!

thanks
Petr

p.s. FYI - the split between RHD and LHD Vehicrosses in Russia is approx. 50/50, and we used the same alpine kit to supercharge both 3.5L LHD and 3.2L LHD ;)

[Robbomaz]

Rob:

I can tell you one thing - depending on the price of the equipment, you can count on AT LEAST 3 orders from Russia, and, if the price is right, this number will be significantly higher. We can arrange shipping, we've done that before

Please keep us posted as soon as you have more detail!

thanks
Petr

p.s. FYI - the split between RHD and LHD Vehicrosses in Russia is approx. 50/50, and we used the same alpine kit to supercharge both 3.5L LHD and 3.2L LHD ;)
Petr
First let me point out that we are not doing this for profit as such, it is a sideline project of 3 Soozoo driving workshop owners
Here is where we are so far.
We have bought 4 superchargers from the EBay sale (link in previous). We have 3 6VE1's to do here - one is for a Range Rover.
We are currently negotiating the price of the manifold. Alpine in SA want to make the manifolds for us, but want a minimum run of 10. Cost around AUD 600 each - but we don't have enough $ to buy 10 and hope they sell.
I have an Australian vendor that does not have a minimum run who is quoting, I think it will be around the AUD1000 mark. If I can get 10 serious deposits, that is 7 more, we will go for the SA solution.
We are not planning on supplying the supercharger, although we can help people get them. The manifold is designed around the generic M90/MP90 unit, which is an amazing bargain on Ebay at the moment!
Manifold & SC are the biggest $ value.

We will be sourcing/making bracketry, fuel rails and all other pieces over the course of the next few months. Most of this stuff falls into the AUD$ 100-300 range

We were not thinking of marketing a kit at this early stage, more doing this in the 'accumulation of parts' way: Getting the manifold, getting the SC, mounting the SC, working out the ancilliaries & making them as we go. Anyone who joins us we simply make an extra part for as we manufacture.

I envisage the cost WITHOUT the SC to be around AUD $2000-2500, add that USD275 SC and you have a bargain basement price installation!

Will keep everyone posted

Rob

[Petos]

Rob:
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Here in Russia, we had several attempts to do similar projects, but manifold has always been a hitch!

i will disseminate the news among Russian Vehicross / Isuzu enthusiasts and will come back to you with the result..

Thanks
Petr

[johnnyapollo]

The SC that shipped from Alpine was an MP62. I'm not sure about the differences but I can tell from the photo in the eBay ad that the drive (*nose) is considerably longer. I have one of the earlier cast drives (later units shipped with a billet aluminum drive) and the bearings are shot - I'm looking to get it rebuilt now. I know from some threads on here that the Alpine configuration on the drive is less than ideal - you might want to research it a bit as several have had their units rebuilt.

I'm thinking about porting the manifold before putting it back on - the whole kit has been sitting in a box since the middle of last year - fortunatly I had an extra complete manifold (from a Trooper) that I used to swap out so I didn't have to deal with the o-rings and fuel rails - just left them on the kit manifold.

-- John

[Robbomaz]

The SC that shipped from Alpine was an MP92. I'm not sure about the differences but I can tell from the photo in the eBay ad that the drive (*nose) is considerably longer. I have one of the earlier cast drives (later units shipped with a billet aluminum drive) and the bearings are shot - I'm looking to get it rebuilt now. I know from some threads on here that the Alpine configuration on the drive is less than ideal - you might want to research it a bit as several have had their units rebuilt.

I'm thinking about porting the manifold before putting it back on - the whole kit has been sitting in a box since the middle of last year - fortunatly I had an extra complete manifold (from a Trooper) that I used to swap out so I didn't have to deal with the o-rings and fuel rails - just left them on the kit manifold.

-- John
Thanks for that John. Good to hear of problems with the Alpine system. Keep the complaints coming folks:p

Agreed good snout support is vital for longevity of the drive
We are looking at how the V8 boys support the snout on the big blowers, and the sort of maintenance they get, and I am talking to a firm here in OZ that uses MP90 on Isuzu 3.5's in aircraft. Can't just pull over if you have a failure.....
The vehicles we are doing here are taking us to very remote locations on so very rough roads so reliability is paramount - last year one guy made an 1100 mile round trip to civilisation & back when a wheel bearing on a vehicle failed on the Canning Stock Route :eek: The driver of the broken car got to camp in Nowhere, AUS for a week - possible to get a VERY long way from anything at all in this place!
Rob

[Robbomaz]

I should probably provide some background - we are a fully equipped mechanical workshop with fabrication gear and a rolling road dyno.
Started out bring in JDM cars and getting them licenced and road worthy for Australia but moved into service & tuning as the government progressively made it harder to import cars :mad:
We have a Jackaroo (Trooper) bare chassis as a 'test mule' which will get the first installation. This old nail has over 400000 kms on the odo, but still managed 134 hp at the wheels as it came from the auction. This is the baseline

Heres the SC on our chassis. Note the high tech plywood manifold!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P5160001-1.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=14515)

Rob

[Petos]

Actually, the original set was supplied with Eaton M62 S/C... it was 1st generation too...
The immediate reaction of my supercharged friend in Russia is that M90 and 4th generation will destroy original pistons / rods unless you get a wrought replacement...
it says on eBay that M90 is 4.0-5.7L engines... isn't that too tough for our 10-years old 6VE1 3.5L? :)

[Robbomaz]

Yeah I noticed that. MP90 catalogue says 3.5 litre & upwards :)
To give an idea Holden here fitted 62s on their 3.8 litre V6 - then went to a 90 in later models, the boost came down but the power went up.
The Isuzu engine is more efficient so can swallow more air.
4th gen has greater helix on the rotors, which make the discharge smoother & cooler. Boost is a product of pulley size

The standard engine is strong - 5-6 psi will not be a problem. I think the 90 will be underdriven to give this. No need for forged pistons at that boost, and the rest of the bottom end is massive! Either way we will know - we are going to boost our 400000 km test engine with no internal work. It will get a service & plug change and be rolled onto the dyno!

Once we have got everything kosher at 5-6 psi we are going to throw on a Haltech computer and see how far we can boost the unopened motor.
As to what may be possible, I know of a twin turbo 3.2 with all the good gear inside making 580 kW at the wheels and it is used every day as a delivery truck :eek:
Rob

[kodiak]

It’s great to hear that you guys are doing this. I have a felling in the near future a lot of the after market preference part that are purchased by the VX and the Isuzu community are going to come from Australia. From what I understand the 6VE1 is fairly common down there and now that Isuzu has left the USA it look’s like Australia will be the best option for just about everything Isuzu.;)

[nfpgasmask]

And just FYI, there are VXes in Oz. We actually have 2 or 3 active members from Australia on regularly.

:) Bart

[johnnyapollo]

Sorry I meant MP62 and bungled it.

-- John

[Ldub]

Heres the SC on our chassis. Note the high tech plywood manifold!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/P5160001-1.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=14515)

Rob
Your sweet plywood intake reminded me...

I'm just throwi'n this out there as food for "you know what"...:smilewink

I haven't looked at my stock intake plenum in years, but remember the top & bottom halves come apart...:_wrench:

Would it be possible to utilize the bottom half of the stock intake, to connect to the intake ports on the heads, & fabricate/machine a flat plate to seal the top, that the S/C would be attached to? I was thinking 1/2" aluminium plate.

Like i said, it's been years, so I've probably overlooked a detail or two, but I always thought that this might be an improvement over the cast iron intake lump that I originally received from Alpine.

[SaltLakeVehi]

I am definately interested Robbomaz

[johnny010]

Interested in turn key

[Robbomaz]

Your sweet plywood intake reminded me...

I'm just throwi'n this out there as food for "you know what"...:smilewink

I haven't looked at my stock intake plenum in years, but remember the top & bottom halves come apart...:_wrench:

Would it be possible to utilize the bottom half of the stock intake, to connect to the intake ports on the heads, & fabricate/machine a flat plate to seal the top, that the S/C would be attached to? I was thinking 1/2" aluminium plate.

Like i said, it's been years, so I've probably overlooked a detail or two, but I always thought that this might be an improvement over the cast iron intake lump that I originally received from Alpine.
Cast iron? You scared me there, I had to check.....the one we will be getting (from Alpine or elsewhere) is aluminum.
Regarding the stock intake idea, I actually consider the manifold in the kits to be a worse design! It would be great to be able to take advantage of those beaut vertical runners to slam the charge into the engine. (An engineer here in OZ actually developed 350 Chev heads that used that principle for drag boats - the manifold looked like a big spider sitting on the engine!) and maybe even retaining the dual length runner system - but there is one major issue: height. The SC would sit so high you would need a Pro Stock bonnet scoop :eek:

Anyway, my Frankenstein project 'Jackadeo' will have body back on chassis soon so I will be able to seriously measure & see - that has a 60mm body lift but will still give us an idea
Cheers for now :p
Rob

[Gussie2000]

It's very obvious that many Vx'ers are interested in the supercharger upgrade,including me so if australia's fellow mamber can help us get our nads onto those kits it shall be great & well appretiated.shipping shouldn't be a issue at all,UPS,fedex & other shipping carriers are all suitable.

But is also obvious that in order for alpine to built more of those kits it got to be on a group buy method.

[Robbomaz]

It's very obvious that many Vx'ers are interested in the supercharger upgrade,including me so if australia's fellow mamber can help us get our nads onto those kits it shall be great & well appretiated.shipping shouldn't be a issue at all,UPS,fedex & other shipping carriers are all suitable.

But is also obvious that in order for alpine to built more of those kits it got to be on a group buy method.
Exactly! The rest of the parts are not so much of an issue, as I have a secondary supplier and/or can batch fab them myself.
Manifold batch run is 10. There are 3 cars waiting here and I can afford to put one under the counter as an interest generator - so if 6 people on here are willing to put up a deposit of AUD500 each to reserve a manifold that I estimate will cost between AUD700 and AUD1000 plus shipping we are in business :bgwp:

Sorry I can't pin down tighter as neither party that do the manifolds has come back to me with a firm price yet. As soon as I have that you guys will know!

If I was a touch more cashed up I would spring for the entire production run myself, I am BUSTING to get this blower on my car! :bwgy:
Cheers for now
Rob

[Gussie2000]

So approximetly how much each kit would come up for with all assembly parts included ?

[Robbomaz]

So approximetly how much each kit would come up for with all assembly parts included ?
Without a SC I would think no more than AUD2500

[Gussie2000]

Without a SC I would think no more than AUD2500

Pardon my misunderstannding,you said without the S/C ?
I question meant the whole kit with every thing included

[Robbomaz]

Pardon my misunderstannding,you said without the S/C ?
I question meant the whole kit with every thing included
Sure, I understood that, but that was not what we are trying to do with this for these reasons:
We are in daily contact with Alpinesport in South Africa and I can tell you the cost of the SC is the reason the Alpine kits are no longer available!
Consider, for us to source a SC from California, ship it to us in AU, send it back to you in NY with the kit, adding shipping both ways, import duties and taxes that will be levied in BOTH countries would easily double the cost.

We plan to supply every specialised part (snout support, idler pulley, crank pulley etc) you need in a kit from here, and a comprehensive list of the SIMPLE hardware (fasteners & hose clamps etc) required, as well as the EXACT spec of the SC which you can then get from Magnusson at their '48 states' pricing
So you order a kit from us, and the SC from Cali, and the fasteners from a local supplier - 3 phone calls instead of one, and you save hundreds if not thousands of $:bgwp:
I understand this would not appeal to everyone, and a full turn-key kit may follow later, but I know after the Aus and US govts have finished with us the kit will be expensive - even leaving it a no margin sideline - in the order of $6K or more.:(
Dunno about you, but if I wanted to spend THAT kind of $ I would go buy the (compromised) off-the shelf kit from CAPA here - $8000 thank you!

Rob

[Gussie2000]

Sure, I understood that, but that was not what we are trying to do with this for these reasons:
We are in daily contact with Alpinesport in South Africa and I can tell you the cost of the SC is the reason the Alpine kits are no longer available!
Consider, for us to source a SC from California, ship it to us in AU, send it back to you in NY with the kit, adding shipping both ways, import duties and taxes that will be levied in BOTH countries would easily double the cost.

We plan to supply every specialised part (snout support, idler pulley, crank pulley etc) you need in a kit from here, and a comprehensive list of the SIMPLE hardware (fasteners & hose clamps etc) required, as well as the EXACT spec of the SC which you can then get from Magnusson at their '48 states' pricing
So you order a kit from us, and the SC from Cali, and the fasteners from a local supplier - 3 phone calls instead of one, and you save hundreds if not thousands of $:bgwp:
I understand this would not appeal to everyone, and a full turn-key kit may follow later, but I know after the Aus and US govts have finished with us the kit will be expensive - even leaving it a no margin sideline - in the order of $6K or more.:(
Dunno about you, but if I wanted to spend THAT kind of $ I would go buy the (compromised) off-the shelf kit from CAPA here - $8000 thank you!

Rob


Hmmmmmmm.I got you;I'll give magnusson a buzz on the following days let me hear what they have to say about the manifold.

Do you have the magnusson phone # so i can arrange the manifold right away ?

[Ldub]

Hmmmmmmm.I got you;I'll give magnusson a buzz on the following days let me hear what they have to say about the manifold.

Do you have the magnusson phone # so i can arrange the manifold right away ?

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/wheretobuy.htm ..:smilewink

[Gussie2000]

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/wheretobuy.htm ..:smilewink

Thank you ! :)

I'm dead serious about superblowing my horse.

got few things in mind to do

1 Paint my calipers,not sure about going red,black or silver
2 Change the charcoal canister,gives me p0446 code,got to call merlin for availability

3 Tire rotation,alignment & balancing

[Gussie2000]

Hi folks!
Don't have a VX, unfortunately the cute little critters have never been available Downunder - do they even come in RHD? I have a Jackaroo (Trooper) chassis wearing a four door P'up body........:eek:
Anyway, I noticed some interest in supercharging - those with 3.5s heads up! I have made contact with the South Africans responsible for the Alpine Sports supercharger kits - they stopped making them because the exchange rates made the SC's themselves uneconomical. They have offered tech assistance and manufacture of small parts What is spurring this is this: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170322053311

We are looking at making parts to suit this SC on the 6VE1. I am hesitant to call them 'kits' per se, as you will need to have some DIY skills & input, but we are looking at supplying all the machined parts required, and support, so that someone who knows how to use a spanner will be able to do this.
We are doing this on 3 6VE1 vehicles here, and can make as many parts as there are people interested.
If interested reply here or PM me :bwgr:
Rob

Hi robbo i'm a bit confused here,the original manifold is a M62 1rst generation,but the one offered on ebay.com is a M90 4th generation.

I assumed the M90 has more power since it's a 4th generation design & i also recall reading from tone monday that any further S/C generation can place at risk blowing the trans which according to records by GM is capable of pushing up to 285 pounds-per square feet.

I guess the nose pulley may make the difference here isn't it ?

[Ldub]

Hi robbo i'm a bit confused here,the original manifold is a M62 1rst generation,but the one offered on ebay.com is a M90 4th generation.

I assumed the M90 has more power since it's a 4th generation design & i also recall reading from tone monday that any further S/C generation can place at risk blowing the trans which according to records by GM is capable of pushing up to 285 pounds-per square feet.

I guess the nose pulley may make the difference here isn't it ?

Re-read posts 12 & 13...:yes:

[Gussie2000]

Re-read posts 12 & 13...:yes:

Got more cunfused :confused:

What is blowing my mind here is that the M-90 is bigger,wonder if mods are needed on the hood to fit the manifold.

Then which nose pulley is best suitable to avoid any damaged to the trans when that is spinning at 80 + miles per hour pushing that extra horses load.

I'll settle with the M-62 though just for insurance :cool:

[Robbomaz]

Got more cunfused :confused:

What is blowing my mind here is that the M-90 is bigger,wonder if mods are needed on the hood to fit the manifold.

Then which nose pulley is best suitable to avoid any damaged to the trans when that is spinning at 80 + miles per hour pushing that extra horses load.

I'll settle with the M-62 though just for insurance :cool:
M90 is bigger DISPLACEMENT, not actually physically bigger than the M62.
Torque and hp are a product of the boost, which is controlled by the pulley size. We will be sizing the pulley to boost 5 psi, which is mild.
Doesn't get any cheaper than this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170322053311&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

Rob

[Robbomaz]

Got more cunfused :confused:

What is blowing my mind here is that the M-90 is bigger,wonder if mods are needed on the hood to fit the manifold.

Then which nose pulley is best suitable to avoid any damaged to the trans when that is spinning at 80 + miles per hour pushing that extra horses load.

I'll settle with the M-62 though just for insurance :cool:

M62 WILL NOT fit the manifold we are going to make!

[Gussie2000]

M62 WILL NOT fit the manifold we are going to make!


All the manifolds at ebay.com has gone,sold pretty fast :eek:


Now i'm more confident about the MP-90.

[Robbomaz]

Still working on this folks, currently addressing clearances around the SC itself and it's actual position on the manifold
Rob

[Gussie2000]

Sure, I understood that, but that was not what we are trying to do with this for these reasons:
We are in daily contact with Alpinesport in South Africa and I can tell you the cost of the SC is the reason the Alpine kits are no longer available!
Consider, for us to source a SC from California, ship it to us in AU, send it back to you in NY with the kit, adding shipping both ways, import duties and taxes that will be levied in BOTH countries would easily double the cost.

We plan to supply every specialised part (snout support, idler pulley, crank pulley etc) you need in a kit from here, and a comprehensive list of the SIMPLE hardware (fasteners & hose clamps etc) required, as well as the EXACT spec of the SC which you can then get from Magnusson at their '48 states' pricing
So you order a kit from us, and the SC from Cali, and the fasteners from a local supplier - 3 phone calls instead of one, and you save hundreds if not thousands of $:bgwp:
I understand this would not appeal to everyone, and a full turn-key kit may follow later, but I know after the Aus and US govts have finished with us the kit will be expensive - even leaving it a no margin sideline - in the order of $6K or more.:(
Dunno about you, but if I wanted to spend THAT kind of $ I would go buy the (compromised) off-the shelf kit from CAPA here - $8000 thank you!

Rob

I called magnusson this afternoon they don't carry any other but GM direct fit kits.

Then i called this guys who rebuilt the manifold,he had the M90 for the 3,8L GM engines,he claim that i'll fit our engine;Can you confirm that info ?

[Robbomaz]

I called magnusson this afternoon they don't carry any other but GM direct fit kits.

Then i called this guys who rebuilt the manifold,he had the M90 for the 3,8L GM engines,he claim that i'll fit our engine;Can you confirm that info ?
Sounds like you're getting directed to the wrong department!
The GM SC is a M90, but will NOT fit our manifold. GM made a few mods
Download the Magnusson catalog
http://www.magnusonproducts.com/pdf/catalog.pdf

Page 40 in the catalog is the unit that will fit

Rob

[Gussie2000]

Sorry rob i have not access to a PC right now;I'm using my blackberry but the cataloge pdf document is to large

Which is magnusson M90 stock number ?

[Gussie2000]

Rob that is not an M90,it's an MP1900 built for the pontiac G8.

That's a huge S/C though,the intake is located opposite to the original VX air intake line which is a disadvantaged positition for air flow,the piping would be longer with this setup
Do you have a plan B to go with another one in mind to replaced.
I just got off with the magnusson,they told me they are up to built an MP90 for our engine,cost could around the $ 1000
But they need our engine's manifold measurements to add the right nose/snout along with the pulley which will settle for the 5 psi.
Does any one have that measurements ?

[Robbomaz]

Rob that is not an M90,it's an MP1900 built for the pontiac G8.

That's a huge S/C though,the intake is located opposite to the original VX air intake line which is a disadvantaged positition for air flow,the piping would be longer with this setup
Do you have a plan B to go with another one in mind to replaced.
I just got off with the magnusson,they told me they are up to built an MP90 for our engine,cost could around the $ 1000
But they need our engine's manifold measurements to add the right nose/snout along with the pulley which will settle for the 5 psi.
Does any one have that measurements ?
Gus you're looking at the wrong page - you been talking to Petr? :bwgr:

It's on page 40 in the catalog, which is page 42 in the pdf

Regarding the rest, we will provide all the details you will need to go & buy the correct SC & pulley. DON'T buy an SC yet!
Rob

[Gussie2000]

Upss !

Am sorry :o

[Gussie2000]

Hey rob !

I just looked at the M90 you mentioned & seems to be promising :rolleyes:

So what's next ?

[Robbomaz]

Hey rob !

I just looked at the M90 you mentioned & seems to be promising :rolleyes:

So what's next ?
We sort out the manifolds so I can give you guys some pricing! :bgwb:

[LittleBeast]

We sort out the manifolds so I can give you guys some pricing! :bgwb:

Can't wait :)

[Gussie2000]

Alright rob.

If every goes as planned we can have more supercharged VX's by the end of the year ?

[LittleBeast]

Regarding the rest, we will provide all the details you will need to go & buy the correct SC & pulley. DON'T buy an SC yet!
Rob

One of my best friends is from Australia and he goes home once a year, I wonder if he can bring this back as a carry on or checked baggage, lol ;)

[Robbomaz]

One of my best friends is from Australia and he goes home once a year, I wonder if he can bring this back as a carry on or checked baggage, lol ;)
Look at that garage! A Rotary and an Isuzu 4WD! Does it get any better?:smilewink

[Robbomaz]

Alright rob.

If every goes as planned we can have more supercharged VX's by the end of the year ?
Yeah baby :bwgy:

[VX-157]

Rob G'day mate good to have another aussie on this site. i just sent you a email, could you look out for it please.

Oh if i dont sell my pride and joy i am very keen to see about getting it SC. now is it cheaper to ship the car to you or to ship the SC here and have my machanic fit it......:cool:

Cheers matey

[Gussie2000]

Well,seems that this S/C project is taking shape though.

Rob,please keep the pace & have us informed with any updated news.

[Robbomaz]

Ok folks, sorry for the delay!
I have manifold pricing - Price is Aussie dollars.

Qty 5 - AUD1278.
Qty 10 - AUD1205

I am sorry this is a bit over what I estimated, apparently the cost of the raw aluminium is responsible.

We are not quite finalised on some small details, but I am now satisfied enough to start taking payments from interested parties.

Please PM me for details on how to make secure payment.
Please post any other questions here.
Blown Soozoos here we come!

[newthings]

We should go over what is required to have a complete kit--

The M90 - $275 USD from EBAY
Bypass actuator with shaft and butterfly disk. From Magnuson
Inlet housing for mounting the throttle body, bypass actuator
(Or not, if side positions are used. Consider conflict with EGR Valve)
Inlet housing gasket
Belt
Oil
An idler pulley with supporting adjustable bracket
A crank pulley
A manifold between the S/C and the heads with injector ports
Manifold to head gaskets 2
S/C to manifold gasket
A nose housing with a bearing supported shaft and pulley
A nose gasket
Fuel rails with housing for fuel pressure valve -2
Brackets for throttle cable mounting
Fuel rail connection hose and vacuum hoses
Various bolts of suitable lengths

I have probably missed things. Others can chime in.
The manifold and inlet cover are the largest cast aluminum items.

The Old Alpine kit cost about $3600. USD with S/C.

Your plan was –
"I envisage the cost WITHOUT the SC to be around AUD $2000-2500, (About 1000 USD) add that USD 275 S/C and you have a bargain basement price installation!"

"We plan to supply every specialized part (snout support, idler pulley, crank pulley etc) you need in a kit from here, and a comprehensive list of the SIMPLE hardware (fasteners & hose clamps etc) required, as well as the EXACT spec of the SC which you can then get from Magnusson at their '48 states' pricing
So you order a kit from us, and the SC from Cali, and the fasteners from a local supplier - 3 phone calls instead of one, and you save hundreds if not thousands of $:bgwp:
I understand this would not appeal to everyone, and a full turn-key kit may follow later, but I know after the Aus and US govts have finished with us the kit will be expensive - even leaving it a no margin sideline - in the order of $6K or more."

If the manifold now will cost $1000 USD rather than $500 USD.
How much will the back inlet housing cost?
How much will the nose and pulley cost from Magnuson?
The Kit US import costs?

Can you bring this into better focus?
Thanks, Roy

[Robbomaz]

Roy
Thanks for your interest

Alpinesport have mentioned that the inlet pipe and throttle body mounts *may* be included in the manifold price. Sorry to be vague, they are very enthusiastic about doing this, but at the same time have been hard to pin down.

MSC quoted me USD325 for nose & pulley assy. Snout dimension on this app will be a standard generic MSC dimension, whether this is achieved by purchase or rework of the Ebay snout

MSC quoted USD63 all up for all bypass parts

Bypass mounts on the left of the SC looking at the car from the front. It clears the EGR

Snout support, idlers and drive pulleys looking to be around AUD600

US import costs I have no idea. For me to bring items into Australia as personal imports if the $ value is below AUD1000 there is no duty or tax levied, the US may have something similar. It is not something I have been able to get a clear answer on. Like bureaucrats the world over, if they don't know the answer saying 'you pay' is safest for them!

The old Alpine kit was underpriced - Alpinesport said as much to us, but they used more "interesting" language! The USD/Rand exchange rate ended up killing it.

The exchange rate varies from day to day....the trend has been for the AUD to increase in value against the USD - it has been as low as 50c - currently 80c, so it isn't as cheap for you as it was a few months back

Anything unique to this project we will make available, anything generic we will provide enough detail to enable sourcing.
Hope this helps:happyface
Rob

[Robbomaz]

Rob G'day mate good to have another aussie on this site. i just sent you a email, could you look out for it please.

Oh if i dont sell my pride and joy i am very keen to see about getting it SC. now is it cheaper to ship the car to you or to ship the SC here and have my machanic fit it......:cool:

Cheers matey
Send it to us :yeso:
I'm sure your mechanic could do a great job but I've never seen a VX in the metal:smilewink

[Gussie2000]

Rob you're the man !

I got two things to ask for

1: Can you post few pics of the manifold ? If any is avalaible

2: post a list with all the parts to go with this S/C which seems to vary from the original alpine kit

My horse is going to have the valves lash readjusted at the end of august so after this is done am gonna focus my attention on this matter.

[Robbomaz]

Expecting manifold drawings back from Alpine for checking this week!

*Happy dance*:bgwo:

[Petos]

Hi, Rob!
It's been almost a month since your last post.. Any updates for us hopeful S/C owners? :)

[Robbomaz]

Hi, Rob!
It's been almost a month since your last post.. Any updates for us hopeful S/C owners? :)
Yeah sorry folks! I haven't been well for nearly 3 weeks.....:mad:

Manifold layout is 'signed off' - next step involves melting some Aluminum :p For those who know someone with a Alpine kit, the rear of the SC will be in the same place as those

I am currently working with Alpine on the inlet pipe casting - it has to be changed slightly to suit the new SC - looks like we may be able to supply this in the quoted manifold price :yeso:

Rob

[Robbomaz]

Don't know if I posted details of my jalopy before? With old age comes memory loss.......what was I saying? :o

Anyway rather than load up this server too, heres the link http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?showtopic=16467
Go look, let me know what you think

[Gussie2000]

Don't know if I posted details of my jalopy before? With old age comes memory loss.......what was I saying? :o

Anyway rather than load up this server too, heres the link http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?showtopic=16467
Go look, let me know what you think

Hey rob !

We haven't heard about you since your last post.

What's the current status of the S/C project ?

Any progress as of today ?

Log in & give us some insight of what's going on buddy.

Hope you are ok :yeso:

[Robbomaz]

Hey rob !

We haven't heard about you since your last post.

What's the current status of the S/C project ?

Any progress as of today ?

Log in & give us some insight of what's going on buddy.

Hope you are ok :yeso:
Yeah I'm fine thanks mate!
Sorry folks, haven't forgotten this, but not a lot to report! Slower than a diesel Hilux with a broken turbo.......:upsetgray
Trust me we are as excited about this as ever :bgwo:
Pilot manifold is finalised and should be cast by now. Expecting to hear from SA that a sample manifold & intake pipe to be ready any day now!:bgwo:
That will be DHL'd here, it will get bolted on for final position checks & we will really get on the gas:bgwo:
I'll have some more pix for you guys too
Rob

[Ldub]

Yeah I'm fine thanks mate!
Sorry folks, haven't forgotten this, but not a lot to report! Slower than a diesel Hilux with a broken turbo.......:upsetgray
Trust me we are as excited about this as ever :bgwo:
Pilot manifold is finalised and should be cast by now. Expecting to hear from SA that a sample manifold & intake pipe to be ready any day now!:bgwo:
That will be DHL'd here, it will get bolted on for final position checks & we will really get on the gas:bgwo:
I'll have some more pix for you guys too
Rob

With a wee bit of past experience with Alpine to draw on...:rolleyesg

I'll say that molasses in January might be considered speedy by comparison...:upsetgray

[Robbomaz]

LOL!
We will get there I'm sure

[Gussie2000]

With a wee bit of past experience with Alpine to draw on...:rolleyesg

I'll say that molasses in January might be considered speedy by comparison...:upsetgray

LOL
Being you sharing the tip about it i guess it's time to lay back & have a cup of cappuccino.

By the way rob thanks for speedy replay;Now you got my anxiety supercharged LOL

[WormGod]

With a wee bit of past experience with Alpine to draw on...:rolleyesg

I'll say that molasses in January might be considered speedy by comparison...:upsetgray

Hahahaha.... amen to that. Been 5 years now.... still waiting for my cruise control cable. :p

[Robbomaz]

Hahahaha.... amen to that. Been 5 years now.... still waiting for my cruise control cable. :p
What you guys need? Details!
I speak to them weekly at the moment, may be able to help.

[Robbomaz]

LOL
Being you sharing the tip about it i guess it's time to lay back & have a cup of cappuccino.

By the way rob thanks for speedy replay;Now you got my anxiety supercharged LOL
Sokay! I had felt a bit guilty about not posting.....but it would have been like a New York cop if I had: 'Nothing to see here, move along" :bwgy:

[Gussie2000]

Sokay! I had felt a bit guilty about not posting.....but it would have been like a New York cop if I had: 'Nothing to see here, move along" :bwgy:

New york city cops have much so to do: issue tickets & lock down 42nd street down town manhattan to drive every one damn crazy.

[Mrmonk7663]

Updates on supercharger???

[Robbomaz]

Ok folks!
Been a while but we have prototype manifold in our hands now :bgwb: Phone pix so a bit blurry
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_006.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16140)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_004.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16138)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_002.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16137)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_001.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16136)

[Gussie2000]

:yeso:
Ok folks!
Been a while but we have prototype manifold in our hands now :bgwb: Phone pix so a bit blurry
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_006.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16140)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_004.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16138)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_002.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16137)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Manifold_001.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16136)


Wow great news !

Robb now you got my attention :yesb:

How can i sleep tonight with this supercharged toy playing around my mind :p

So when this will be all ready robb ?

[Robbomaz]

This is a 'fit & form' casting that only has engine & SC mounts. The actual manifold run will be done when we're happy with this. Have pulleys and fuel rails in progress too

Take a sleeping pill! :bwgy:

[Sprey]

Whoa looks choice dude, im sure when some people see those pics they might drool LoL:yesgray:

[VXorado]

Whoa looks choice dude, im sure when some people see those pics they might drool LoL:yesgray:

You're right :drool2::drool2::drool2:

[Gussie2000]

Robby what have you been doing lately ?......:confused:

Any updates on the master piece ?

[Petos]

Rob:
Have to confess... ran out of patience and supercharged my Ironman yesterday with a regular Alpine...
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Photo306.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16309)

It DID boost my ride!
on the other hand, it makes a lot of noise... probably need to replace a couple of bearings, maybe it will make it quiter?? :confused:
anyway, there are still at least a couple of hopeful VXers here, so you can count on orders from Russia... heck, I might go for an upgrade to M90 myself!

[Ldub]

Robby what have you been doing lately ?......:confused:

Any updates on the master piece ?

These tidbits may interest you Gussie...:smilewink

http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?showtopic=16772

http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?t=30280

[Gussie2000]

These tidbits may interest you Gussie...:smilewink

http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?showtopic=16772

http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?t=30280


Interesting ....... :yeso:

Wonder if robb can get all the parts needed for installations besides the manifold

[Robbomaz]

Sorry for the huge delay folks :upsetgray and thank you for your patience! Especially you Gus! Petos, I'm not talking to you :p

Where we at? Manifolds go to CNC this week!
We will have manifolds crank pulleys idlers fuel rails and inlet pipes in our hands by Christmas time.
I will load some pics soon, I don't have them on ths PC, but I see someone has posted a link to the Aust 4WD website with them on.
Pricing of the various components will follow shortly - Alpine have been very helpful but clearly have a lot of projects on the go :yeso: so this has been a sloooow project.

I'm going to try and PM everyone that mailed me, hopefully you are all waiting to hear from me :lol:

Rob

[Gussie2000]

Sorry for the huge delay folks :upsetgray and thank you for your patience! Especially you Gus! Petos, I'm not talking to you :p

Where we at? Manifolds go to CNC this week!
We will have manifolds crank pulleys idlers fuel rails and inlet pipes in our hands by Christmas time.
I will load some pics soon, I don't have them on ths PC, but I see someone has posted a link to the Aust 4WD website with them on.
Pricing of the various components will follow shortly - Alpine have been very helpful but clearly have a lot of projects on the go :yeso: so this has been a sloooow project.

I'm going to try and PM everyone that mailed me, hopefully you are all waiting to hear from me :lol:

Rob

LoL robb you are the most wanted man after bin laden ! :p

Thanks for the speedy respond buddy.......

[WormGod]

Robb, are you guys fabbing an EGR block from scratch or is it a duplication of the one from the Alpine-Eaton unit? Just curious as I could always use a new one. ;)

[Petos]

I'm going to try and PM everyone that mailed me, hopefully you are all waiting to hear from me :lol:
Rob

Rob:
Pls PM me as well.. I'm not a traitor! :) still interested, and can help spreading the word..

[Mrmonk7663]

Pm me too!!!

[Robbomaz]

OK people all the parts are now finished machining, just arranging the shipping from Alpine to us here and we will have some photos to drool over :)

[Sprey]

OK people all the parts are now finished machining, just arranging the shipping from Alpine to us here and we will have some photos to drool over :)
Good news :D

LOL
Oh soo true!!!
http://vehicross.info/forums/images/smilies/_drool.gifhttp://vehicross.info/forums/images/smilies/_drool.gifhttp://vehicross.info/forums/images/smilies/_drool.gif

[septicmech]

PM me three!!!

[Mrmonk7663]

How close are the kits to being done and for sale? Do fuel pump or injectors need upgrading? How is computer modified? What about the mass air? I'm sure an upgraded meter would increase the performance with a sc. Any pricing ideas? Thanks!!!

[Ldub]

How close are the kits to being done and for sale? Do fuel pump or injectors need upgrading? How is computer modified? What about the mass air? I'm sure an upgraded meter would increase the performance with a sc. Any pricing ideas? Thanks!!!

FWIW, all the stock bits that you make mention of work fine with the Alpine kit up to 5 lb boost.

Fuel pump, injectors, ECM, MAF, all stock, no issues.

[Mrmonk7663]

But what if we get greedy lol. Do we have options for this?

[Ldub]

But what if we get greedy lol. Do we have options for this?

That option is sometimes associated with transmissoin replacement...the next weakest link down the line.

[Robbomaz]

But what if we get greedy lol. Do we have options for this?

Greedy? There will be options :bgwb: Our 400K+ kilometre test mule will be getting a probgrammable ECU and boost to destruction once the base kit setup is done :yesy: - although if we see 300kW at the wheels on the dyno with an undamaged engine we may stop there......or not! :bgwo:

[Robbomaz]

OK people!

Here we are well into 010 and still waiting....manifolds got cast, there was an issue with a core moving which was only discovered when the CNC mill broke thru into a void that should not have been there, and I'm quite sure there has been a lot of New Year procrastination in SA..... however, the first full batch of parts should hit Fedex soon, and pics and detailed postings will follow once I have real 'what we all will be using' parts in my hands.

I shan't say I'm excited, or make any reference to timeframe, there is only so much egg on face a bloke can stand! :bgwo:

[Robbomaz]

OK people!

Here we are well into 010 and still waiting....manifolds got cast, there was an issue with a core moving which was only discovered when the CNC mill broke thru into a void that should not have been there, and I'm quite sure there has been a lot of New Year procrastination in SA..... however, the first full batch of parts should hit Fedex soon, and pics and detailed postings will follow once I have real 'what we all will be using' parts in my hands.

I shan't say I'm excited, or make any reference to timeframe, there is only so much egg on face a bloke can stand! :bgwo:
This just in: Email from Alpine saying the parts can be packed for Fedex......please note they havent said they ARE packed, but they CAN be :bgwo:
I thought Australia was a laid back place!:yesb:

[Ldub]

I shan't say I'm excited, or make any reference to timeframe, there is only so much egg on face a bloke can stand! :bgwo:

:sleepgray...:tweed:...:laughing:

Kidding Rob...:flower:

Anyone who has ever had any dealings with alpine, wether directly or indirectly, knows what a valuable commodity patience can be...:yesgray:

Good job so far...:thumbup:

[WormGod]

So true Dubbs, so true. I believe after 8 years now, I am still waiting on my extended cruise control cable that they forgot to package in, from them, heh.

[Robbomaz]

Its out of warranty now Worm :luck:

[WormGod]

Its out of warranty now Worm :luck:

In my dealings with them, it was out of warranty the second they shipped it.

[Robbomaz]

All the way from Sewth Efrika :bgwb:
Job #1 of the kits!

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/SC.jpg

Off to the workshop I go!!!!

[RamAirZ]

Awesome! Me wants one!!!!! I'll ship you my VX for testing, wink wink

[Ldub]

The thing(s) that makes me a little "gunshy" about the development so far...

No fuel rails & no provision for the EGR.

I do realize that this is a process, & also that Alpine Developments moves at a pace that's known to all who have ever had any dealings with them as slooooooooow.

[RamAirZ]

hhhmm, ya the fuel rail thing would need to be addressed but worse comes to worse, you can make your own rails if the stocks won't fit, it's not hard. Get some fuel rail stock, make some brackets, get some injectors, wire up with yuor stock injector wiring, some an- braided lines and fittings and voila! I'd probably run an adjustable FMU on it too to dial in the right amount of fuel since we don't have tuning software yet for these things (probably never will :( unless you switch to megasquirt for the fuel and ignition controls ). And I wouldn't be too worried about EGR, it can be plumbed up another way or you can delete it all together. Make an adapter plate to dump it behind the throttle body or even in front of the throttle body.

[WormGod]

Re: fuel rails and EGR

Ya, but that's a lot of "make" and "mod" yourself for a S/C kit. I would expect to get everything in 1 package (like Alpine attempted to do, but failed) for the amount of $$ I am spending.

And fuel rails need to be JUST RIGHT to work with the injectors. Plenty of thought and planning needs to go into that design. One screw up, and your VX gets a free flame job. ;)

[RamAirZ]

If you've done them before it's not too difficult, especially if the injector bungs are already drilled at the proper angle and diameter to seal/work properly. Depending on the price I would feel the same way. But I'm a tinkerer and love making my own stuff so at the right price this would be right up my alley lol, that and I've done similar stuff before so it's not foreign to me

[Robbomaz]

Agreed fuel rails are not hard if you have done them, and agreed it would be intimidating if you hadnt done them before, and agreed for a premium priced kit you would expect to just bolt it on - we aint HKS! :smilewink

We are going to have a turn key system too, but I for one would like to accomodate the tinkerers too :bwgy:
EGR for us on our trucks is a 'dont care' but we also realise that for a lot of people retaining it is important so it wont be forgotten, I imagine as an 'include' option
Fuel rails will be included, they are not in that pic because *cough* we havent received them yet......:upsetgray
We are working on cracking the ECU, have got to 'handshake' stage but havent got access to the lookup tables yet....:upsetgray
That may not help you in the US as our ECU, while still a Delco is different to yours.

[RamAirZ]

Good to hear! Except the part about your ecu being different :(

[Robbomaz]

Apologies for the fuzzies....late at nite, workshop lighting not the best, iphone blah blah :)
We are making progress and we are STILL waiting for the rest of the parts from Alpine....:mado:

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/SC_014.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/18273)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/SC_012.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/18272)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/SC_011.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/18271)

Sheesh....this has turned into 'Robs Excellent Adventure' - only without the excellent part....not yet anyway:bgwo:

[RamAirZ]

lol I'm just glad your working on it, I REALLY want one of these on my VX, just waiting on you sir hehe It's looking good!

[Hotsauce]

It looks like you can cut the stock fuel rails and join the 2 sides with a piece of high pressure hose to make it fit.

John C.

[Robbomaz]

It looks like you can cut the stock fuel rails and join the 2 sides with a piece of high pressure hose to make it fit.

John C.
The stock fuel rail reversed will fit too - that puts the feed and return at the front of course, although the lines can fit under the manifold in the V easily enough. Appeals a little because of the pig-dog awful access to anything at the rear of these engines! Seems a little 'inelegant' though, some nice alloy rail extrusions look better :smilewink

[Robbomaz]

Placed the request for pickup from South Africa today :bwgy: Will have ALL the parts in my sweaty hands soon!

Please disregard any pricing discussions - Our final cost price was impossible for me to calculate as Alpine were vague and shipping was incomplete! Once this shipment lands all our out-of-pockets are over (and there has been quite a lot believe me!:mad:) and I can do more than just guess what a kit might cost.

Thought it would take 12 months - I waz wrong!

[RamAirZ]

Like I said on the Planet, I can't wait for you guys to finish this thing, if you get everything up and running I won;t be thinking about an engine swap anymore

[Petos]

FYI - a crew of Russian VXers are on a project of integrating a ROTREX C30-94 S/C into their VXers... I wonder which project comes to life first? :)

[Grif]

I hear Duke Nuke'm Forever is being released soon.

[nfpgasmask]

I hear Duke Nuke'm Forever is being released soon.
:laughing: "I don't have time to play with myself"

Bart

[Robbomaz]

FYI - a crew of Russian VXers are on a project of integrating a ROTREX C30-94 S/C into their VXers... I wonder which project comes to life first? :)
We are moving at Alpine speed Petos...:upsetwgra so I think you will :smilewink
All the packages arrived but only about 80% of what we were expecting was in the boxes...and now two weeks since email sent wit no response...how they survive in business is beyond me!

[Robbomaz]

They rang me! Apparently the last of our stuff is being dispatched this week...

*falls off chair laughing*

[SouthJ1]

I really have been reading up on this and this will be very helpful

[Robbomaz]

Well we are still waiting for fewell rails from SA, but we are pushing ahead with #1 - not pretty but will work fine :bwgy:
REALLY must tidy up the shop - might allocate hours 25 & 26 out of each day to that

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Jackadeo_005.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/19544)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Jackadeo_004.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/19543)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Jackadeo_002.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/19541)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Jackadeo_006.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/19546)

Brains
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Jackadeo_003.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/19542)

On the dyno soon :bgwo:

[johnnyapollo]

Looks like they changed the drive design (went from cast to billet back to a new casting). Can you take some measurements of the drive (nose)? Also, is the unit still an MP62 or is it another model? I'd like to get mine put back on and I'm trying to decide if I want to replace the drive or have it rebuilt (not sure if the cast nose is worth rebuilding).

-- John

[Petos]

Also, is the unit still an MP62 or is it another model?
-- John


I'm pretty sure its MP90... looks like it + see the beginning of this thread ;)

[johnnyapollo]

This thread's been going on so long that I don't remember it from others - thanks for the clarification...

[Robbomaz]

It is an MP90. This snout is cast. We've done some machining on this particular one.
Short vid of first fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMX_pvIqSSU&sns=em

[Robbomaz]

John I will have snout/pulley offset dims soon but this snout has been machined down and we have moved the SC position on the manifold so our measurements won't help you.

[johnnyapollo]

Got it, thanks.

[Robbomaz]

OK lads here it is..............and the results have blown us all away

Car ran well right out of the box - we've lost the graph of this actual engine but from memory it was 134 hp, not too bad for a 430000 km 6VE1!

130 hp graph is a stock 3.2 SOHC

166 hp is 2 psi

188hp is 3 psi There is a caveat though - the 188 hp was at 100% injector duty so that is the absolute limit of the stock hardware, real world tune with stock hardware is realistically about 177hp

The SC is hardly working at all and there is a 25%+ power gain, and more importantly the low rev power is well over stock!

More work to do but very very exciting

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/dyno.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/19554)

[RamAirZ]

Nice, get some bigger injectors in there and tuned with a piggyback system (say a megasquirt or something similar) to get DC around 80-85% at full boost, say 8psi, and it'd be making some good power! Is this on a chassis dyno I take it? And is it running through a 4wd auto trans?

[Robbomaz]

Nice, get some bigger injectors in there and tuned with a piggyback system (say a megasquirt or something similar) to get DC around 80-85% at full boost, say 8psi, and it'd be making some good power! Is this on a chassis dyno I take it? And is it running through a 4wd auto trans?
It is a chassis with a drivers seat on a chassis dyno :)
We are still working on cracking the ECU, got to where we can see the tables, but can't yet tell what we are looking at! Not keen on piggy backs - (we are Haltech agents) but not ruling it out.
Certainly the potential is there for quite a bit more power above what the factory hardware can deliver

[Hotsauce]

You can also increase fuel pressure for additional fuel up to the point that the ecu can still lean it enough when off boost.

After a certain point fuel pressure becomes diminishing return though and only atomises the spray better.

John C.

[Robbomaz]

Nice, get some bigger injectors in there and tuned with a piggyback system (say a megasquirt or something similar) to get DC around 80-85% at full boost, say 8psi, and it'd be making some good power! Is this on a chassis dyno I take it? And is it running through a 4wd auto trans?
It is a chassis with a drivers seat on a chassis dyno :)
We are still working on cracking the ECU, got to where we can see the tables, but can't yet tell what we are looking at! Not keen on piggy backs - (we are Haltech agents) but not ruling it out.
Certainly the potential is there for quite a bit more power above what the factory hardware can deliver

[RamAirZ]

You can also increase fuel pressure for additional fuel up to the point that the ecu can still lean it enough when off boost.

After a certain point fuel pressure becomes diminishing return though and only atomises the spray better.

John C.

Ya, an FMU would work but only to a point and it's not the safest way to do it. For 8psi though I'd run it.

[vt_maverick]

So what is the end goal Rob? Just to get a S/C up and running on your VX, or to develop your own kit for resale?

Forgive me if this was explained earlier in the thread, I'm reading the forum on my BlackBerry so I don't have the hour required to read back through the entire thread. :)

[Petos]

So what is the end goal Rob? Just to get a S/C up and running on your VX, or to develop your own kit for resale?


Definitely not the first option.. since Rob doesn't have a VX to begin with ;)

[Robbomaz]

So what is the end goal Rob? Just to get a S/C up and running on your VX, or to develop your own kit for resale?

Forgive me if this was explained earlier in the thread, I'm reading the forum on my BlackBerry so I don't have the hour required to read back through the entire thread. :)
Developing the kit for sale is the goal, supercharging my own Isuzu crossbreed on the way :bwgy: All the major parts for 8 kits are sitting in my garage!

There are quite a few people waiting for us to get this sorted, it has taken about twice as long as expected due mostly to the casual attitude of Alpine :upsetgray

[PK]

Developing the kit for sale is the goal, supercharging my own Isuzu crossbreed on the way :bwgy: All the major parts for 8 kits are sitting in my garage!

There are quite a few people waiting for us to get this sorted, it has taken about twice as long as expected due mostly to the casual attitude of Alpine :upsetgray

Have you got buyers for all your kits??

If not, do you have a price yet??

I am in Tassie, so could do a test fit of all components on a VX before you send any kits to the USA if that is any help.

PK

[Robbomaz]

A couple of questions for Those That Went Before:
Anyone remember what the original Alpine kit sold for?

And did anyone end up buying one of those $250 SCs Magnusson sold on eBay? (we bought four)

[Robbomaz]

Have you got buyers for all your kits??

If not, do you have a price yet??

I am in Tassie, so could do a test fit of all components on a VX before you send any kits to the USA if that is any help.

PK
We haven't sold any kits - 3 are accounted for here by the main protagonists of the kit revival, which should have left 7 for sale, but Alpine STILL have not come up with the missing parts, so in reality we will have 5, perhaps 6 at a slightly higher price (given that we paid Alpine for 10 sets of parts)

[vt_maverick]

I think the Alpine kit was like $500 or something. ;) :naughty:

J/k, I think it was at least $2500 or possibly as high as $3500. But please please please try to keep it lower if you can, especially for those of us in the States who will get absolutely RAPED on the shipping.

[newthings]

I bot one.
Roy

[Ldub]

A couple of questions for Those That Went Before:
Anyone remember what the original Alpine kit sold for?

And did anyone end up buying one of those $250 SCs Magnusson sold on eBay? (we bought four)

Mine was right around 3k...IIRC, I pulled the trigger when Tone had a sale price of $2800.00.

Easily spent another $200 on peripherals, tools, heater hose, anti freeze, this that & the other.

One of the best smiles per mile investments since I bought the truck...:yesgray:

[Robbomaz]

I think the Alpine kit was like $500 or something. ;) :naughty:

J/k, I think it was at least $2500 or possibly as high as $3500. But please please please try to keep it lower if you can, especially for those of us in the States who will get absolutely RAPED on the shipping.
Awwww c'mon! We were planning to be buying Steve Jobs out of Apple with the profits :smilewink

I do know Alpine made no money on their kits - and our plan was always to cover costs while making a bunch of Isuzu drivers grin like idiots :bwgy: rather than apply retail margins.

We have sunk about $16K into this so far.......and Alpine still owe us intake pipes and fuel rails, which they have been promising for months.:uhohgray:

We will get there! Regarding shipping if a few guys in the US end up wanting them I reckon something could be worked out that wouldnt involve dropping the pants & bending over....

[WormGod]

Ah, Alpine made you a promise.... give up. They made me promises for roughly 3 years. A promise that has never been fulfilled.

I was one of the few that bought it way back when first offered by Tone. I believe it was like $3200. Of course, it sat for many years in a box in my basement till I decided to go ahead and install it. All has been great.... though I can't find a decent boost gauge. Been through 2 already and just not happy with them.

[RamAirZ]

What brand gauges? And not happy with the look or something? I ran Auto Meter for my last boosted vehicle with no issues. Had a GlowShift one in the VX that worked good but never saw boost before I got rid of it.

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/RamAirZ/gauges.jpg

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/RamAirZ/1999%20Isuzu%20Vehicross/0823101500-01.jpg

[AlaskaVX]

The kits originally went for 3,000 and he had a sale at 2800 once and I waited and he had a "super sale" around Christmas and I couldn't resist... I picked it up for 2600 I think. Around 2850 total, shipped to AK.

[SouthJ1]

I realllllly want to get a supercharger for my vx really bad

[Zu4two]

I bought mine directly from Alpine, back in September 2002 for $2600. Since then I've replaced the blower with a rebuilt one that John from Alpine just happened to have. I also went through 3 EGR blocks and am on my second tension pulley bearing. Good news is my VX has 180K miles on it, with 115K of that supercharged. I finally got tired of messing with stripped out threads on my EGR block and had a machinist friend of mine make a block out of ductile iron.

It looks like you guys are really close to getting this thing done.

Way to go!

[Gussie2000]

I am up for one of those kits.
I haven't follow up lately this thread,but waiting to see when rob will have everything together.

[Triathlete]

Sorry for the thread jack but just had to say hello to Zu4two which I haven't seen around here for a very long time. Hope everything has turned around for you and all is going well. Z42 was along on a few of my very first wheeling VX get togethers!:yesy:

[Impi]

Alpine installed the SC kit on my 3.2V6 crew cab back in 2000. Price was around $2800 at that time. I have since done close to 120K miles without any problems with the kit. In 04, we changed the pulley and upped the boost to 0.4bar. I still have the M62 blower on mine and would love to upgrade to the new M90 kit you guys are busy with. :bwgy:

[WormGod]

What brand gauges? And not happy with the look or something? I ran Auto Meter for my last boosted vehicle with no issues. Had a GlowShift one in the VX that worked good but never saw boost before I got rid of it.


All AutoMeter. I had tried 2 different ones which I can't recall the models (one had a C/F facing and the other very plain Jane white), but am now using a Cobalt. The previous 2 both decided to just slowly stop working. Not a fan of the Cobalt either so looking to try something different. I am considering trying an SPT gauge from the STi (not mine of course) just because I love the way it looks, heh. Pricey bastards though.

[BeeVenom]

The Alpine S/C on my proton cost around $3200 back around 2004 and it's worked great sicne then.
Also, if anyone's INTERESTED? I do have the original Alpine Manual that came witih my S/C that I can copy for anyone and email to you :bgwo: just in case someone would like one.

[hughesdt]

I just rebuilt my engine, transmission and transfercase. Put it all back together with the super charger, original Tone/ Alpine $2850 I believe. It has been on for about 70k and worked great. Was wanting to change the super charger oil , any one know what to put in it?

Dan

[hughesdt]

I might have a manual, think it came on a CD. Do you think that you can upload yours, BeeVenom, it to the file section?

[WormGod]

Just get GM Supercharger oil from a dealer. It's pretty cheap. Like $8-$9 a bottle. I think that is what Tone used to recommend.

[hughesdt]

Thanks WormGod, I will stop by on the way home and see what they have to say.

Dan

[Robbomaz]

Just get GM Supercharger oil from a dealer. It's pretty cheap. Like $8-$9 a bottle. I think that is what Tone used to recommend.
Thats what we're using :p

[Robbomaz]

Well I have a couple of pics of the Swamp Donkey and a small vid. If you guys wouldn't mind going here for a look:

http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?/topic/16772-supercharged-6ve1/page__pid__157137__st__165#entry157137

No animals were hurt during filming

[WormGod]

Fire your cameraman.

Now put it in a VX. ;)

[Robbomaz]

OK people!
We are ready to go, but due to the vagaries of dealing with Alpine only 8 kits could be sold, 3 of which have already been sold locally! :bwgy:

Kit price is AUD3200. The kits will be be sold with everything you need to fit a Magnusson MP90 to the 3.5, except the supercharger.
A packaged kit with blower would be a LOT more expensive because we get hit with a lot of govt charges & fees if we bring in a batch of SC's as a company, and to buy in from the US to ship back to a US customer seems counterproductive!

Would those members that bought the MP90s off Ebay a (long) while ago pending us finishing this PM me ASAP to reserve your kits!

Rob

[vt_maverick]

That's about $3233 dollars US. Does it include shipping? And how much to the MP90s cost? Trying to determine complete cost of purchase...

[RamAirZ]

You can get an M90 off ebay for around 200-300 bucks usually.

[Robbomaz]

When I DHL'd 4 SC's from Magnusson it cost me $600 so I would think $150 would cover air shipping

[Gussie2000]

When I DHL'd 4 SC's from Magnusson it cost me $600 so I would think $150 would cover air shipping



Well,well.

Time to put pennies together :o


I'll definately have wet dreams with that S/C :p

[Robbomaz]

Well,well.

Time to put pennies together :o


I'll definately have wet dreams with that S/C :p

Due to Alpine stiffing us on the one part we cant replicate (got 8 manifolds instead of 10) we only have 8 on offer. Four have sold locally since yesterday

Dont take too long Gus! :bgwo:

[Petos]

Rob,
Can't believe you guys finally did it! :)
can you please take pics of what you're actually selling and post them here?

[LiquidVX]

Im so wanting this!

[Robbomaz]

Petos I am going to do a 'parts pic' like the suspension parts ads :smilewink

Manifold, Intake piping, fuel rails, snout support & clamp, crank pulley & bolt, tensioner pulley, belt, lead extensions for TPS and idle speed controller, bolts & clamps.
You provide the skinned knuckles :smilewink

[LiquidVX]

Looking forward to those pics!

[Robbomaz]

Currently in Qatar for work, will do it when I get back

[Mile High VX]

Currently in Qatar for work, will do it when I get back

While you're there be sure to go by the 4 block "compound" where they have all of the American fast food franchises...I have been there many times and worked with the ONE GUY that owns them all...he was an amazing guy!

[Robbomaz]

While you're there be sure to go by the 4 block "compound" where they have all of the American fast food franchises...I have been there many times and worked with the ONE GUY that owns them all...he was an amazing guy!
KFC Pizza Hut, and Burger King are dotted all over the place now, lots of expats there

[Triathlete]

Why when in another country would anyone seek out American crap food?:confused:

[Petos]

So what's the deal with these S/C's?
Still for sale?
Anyone tried them on on a VX yet?

[Robbomaz]

So what's the deal with these S/C's?
Still for sale?
Anyone tried them on on a VX yet?

Yep :)
My bad for being so quiet - I apologise for that. How dare family interrupt playing with cars!

Unit one was installed about 3 weeks ago and has been sent off to try and break it :yeso:
It is on a very modified 3.5 Jackaroo going to Cape York from Perth via the Red Centre and return - straight across the continent in as close to a straight line as the tracks will allow - basically a 12000 kilometer round trip with no tarmac running on some of the harshest roads in the world. We have corrugations here that explode shocks in 50km :confused:
If that dont bust it nothing will!

[arcobarco]

All of those that are watching are still waiting for a good set of pictures to see the end result. Also 3 wseeks ago means back in 1 to 2 weeks? This is beyond suspence. Does the good guy win in the end I can hardly wait to find out :grino:

[Robbomaz]

All of those that are watching are still waiting for a good set of pictures to see the end result. Also 3 wseeks ago means back in 1 to 2 weeks? This is beyond suspence. Does the good guy win in the end I can hardly wait to find out :grino:
Well she's back from 16000km of Outback touring, 9500 of which was dirt, 3500 of those on some pretty brutal tracks. A failed O2 sensor and a small oil leak from the SC snout were the only casualties. If we had been able to get a new seal before the car left (snout was on and off a few times) would have been just one! All in all a pleasing result.
I'll be heading down the workshop tomorrow for some long awaited photos for you guys, but right now I'm going to watch football with the kids!:p

[samneil2000]

Awesome results mate.

[Ebenezr]

Hey.....forget the football...

[Robbomaz]

Hey.....forget the football...

Blasphemy! Smite the heathen!

[Robbomaz]

The Swamp Donkey in action

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/1141.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21430)

Tough...!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/thumbs/1151.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21436)

Deep!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/IMG_4343.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21432)

Slosh!
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/IMG_4352.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21433)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/501/thumbs/IMG_4610.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21438)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/501/thumbs/IMG_4929.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21440)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/501/thumbs/IMG_4926.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21439)

Wallaby joey
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/9IMG_5545.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21431)

[Robbomaz]

Kit parts

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/1111.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21429)

Install in Swamp Donkey (not a typical install)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/1221.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21434)

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/1241.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21435)

Failures: Broken body mount, cracked radiator support, failed O2 sensor after the dunking, oil weep from SC snout (we couldnt get a new seal in time before departure)
Some of the toughest roads in the world and a very unforgiving driver - not such a bad result :bwgy:

[SouthJ1]

whats the status on these superchargers its been a minute since an update

[Impi]

Yeah, come on mate. You'd swear blind the Wallabies were playing rugby :)

[Robbomaz]

Well now we've lost the rugby :mad:
Update? What choo want to know?
We have the kits ready now. Givvus yer money :bwgy::smilewink:bgwo:

[Robbomaz]

Woooo hoo!
Been a 'kin long time coming but she's all done now

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/515/thumbs/SC_kit.JPG (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21731)

Even give better cruising fuel economy than NA :smilewink

Time for a beer......or 6

[Gussie2000]

Hey rob congrats !

How much $$$$ we all talking about ?

[Robbomaz]

Thanks Gus!

AUD 3200 + shipping.

Which when we started would have been USD 2500, but is now more like USD 3300!!

[WormGod]

Thanks Gus!

AUD 3200 + shipping.

Which when we started would have been USD 2500, but is now more like USD 3300!!

Just out of curiosity, what IS shipping to the states (say east coast)? Unless you all manufactured it out of unobtainium, them thangs is HEAVY.

Not looking to buy, just curious. :smilegray

[MSHardeman]

Also, I may have missed this somewhere along the way, but I don't see the actual supercharger in the picture. Do we have to source that ourselves?

[yellowgizmo99]

yes, he figured you could get one of those rebuilt and save the shipping from there and back from down under.

[Robbomaz]

Also, I may have missed this somewhere along the way, but I don't see the actual supercharger in the picture. Do we have to source that ourselves?

Yeah, what yellow said. For us to buy in the US, bring here then send back to the US made no real sense. It's designed around the Magnusson MP90

[Robbomaz]

Just out of curiosity, what IS shipping to the states (say east coast)? Unless you all manufactured it out of unobtainium, them thangs is HEAVY.

Not looking to buy, just curious. :smilegray

I'll be shipping one to Washington within the week, so I'll let ya know. :bgwo:
May not be terrible, we got four superchargers from Magnusson on DHL Express air for $600

[Lizardmen3477]

So the 3300 is just for the hardware then we gotta buy the superhcarger itself for however much more Mag sells it for ballpark 4k+ plus shipping for all?

[Robbomaz]

Shipped by air to a Washington address AUD385
Kit with bill paid by Paypal AUD3232
Total AUD3617 - USD3670 today according to xe.com

Plus the SC -
Mag unloaded some MP90's on Ebay for $250 a while ago. The snout was long for this application but a new snout was under $400 from Mag when I enquired - we got all cheap-like and machined the long snouts down ourselves

[Hooliganantic]

And I'll let you all know how the intall goes. :-) I may even throw in some pix. ;-)

[Robbomaz]

Should be there by next week! Weeeeee!

[newthings]

Any progress???
Roy

[Robbomaz]

Yes and no. UPS managed to lose his package.

The second set is almost ready to send now

[Robbomaz]

3 cars other than mine rolling here now, all owners very happy. Two of em keen to bang up the boost, working on best way fuel the extra air now....
And I have FINALLY got MY parts for my truck....always the way LOL.

[Gussie2000]

I am still putting my pennies together,rob.

[Robbomaz]

I am still putting my pennies together,rob.
No worries Gus....you know where I yam! :smilewink

[shinkson]

Can anyone see the pictures in this post? http://vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php?t=11035

[Scott Larson]

Nope!! "REMOTE LINKING FORBIDDEN... PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT"!? :_confused

[WormGod]

Nope, my host site went ker-plop. Wanted to charge me more for barely using it so I let it expire. Sry mate.

[shinkson]

Does anyone have a picture of the throttle cable bracket on a supercharged vx? I'm putting my rebuilt sc back together and can't remember what the bracket mounts to.

[eternal21]

Am I correct in that this setup uses 93 octane?

[NikitaKoval]

The Alpine S/C on my proton cost around $3200 back around 2004 and it's worked great sicne then.
Also, if anyone's INTERESTED? I do have the original Alpine Manual that came witih my S/C that I can copy for anyone and email to you :bgwo: just in case someone would like one.

Hello, BeeVenom !

You can send me "original Alpine Manual" for s/c kit?

Thanks!

[newthings]

I never had a ping with 91.
Roy

[NikitaKoval]

Hello! Happy new year to all!
I am looking for instructions on installing supercharger Alpine. I read that someone made a copy of the original instructions. Somebody can help me?

[eternal21]

Hello! Happy new year to all!
I am looking for instructions on installing supercharger Alpine. I read that someone made a copy of the original instructions. Somebody can help me?

I will make a PDF on Monday and post it here so it can be archived. :)

[Scott Larson]

And that right there is one more example of what makes this site awesome...

[NikitaKoval]

Eternal21, Thanks! Very good news!!!

[Starglider]

What's the current status on supercharging kits for the Vehicross engine? Is this (http://www.capa.com.au/kits_holden_rodeo.htm) the only option?

[NikitaKoval]

I did not get involved, but this set has a very high cost. But only this kit include the seven's injector, it is very important for boost 4 psi. Someone installed a supercharger system, with the seventh injector or replaced the engine ecu for the effective use boost of 4-6 psi?

[WormGod]

What's the current status on supercharging kits for the Vehicross engine? Is this (http://www.capa.com.au/kits_holden_rodeo.htm) the only option?

Holy mother of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Retail Price: $7,495.00"

[Starglider]

Holy mother of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Retail Price: $7,495.00"

It's AUD though so 10% off versus USD ;)

[eternal21]

Awesome! That makes the s/c'ed VX I'm getting ready to sell that much more valuable :)

[eternal21]

Eternal21, Thanks! Very good news!!!

As promised. One caveat: the last page is missing. I have these instructions in color as well as in b/w, the only difference is that the color instructions are missing the last page. It was my intention to add the last b/w page to the color instructions and copy those, but I put the wrong instructions in my bag last night. I know, I know *lol*. So, here are the b/w instructions w/out the last page, and tomorrow I'll scan the color w/a last page. This should get you on the way.

[NikitaKoval]

Ok!!!:-))) very good!
thank you! you helped me a lot!!! Gradually I make my VX to boost...

[eternal21]

Ok!!!:-))) very good!
thank you! you helped me a lot!!! Gradually I make my VX to boost...

Here you go....15 pages of instructions :)

[evillecutter]

my question from day one: can this engine even handle being supercharged? (i obviously know it has been done...) it seems to have enough problems as is - is there really that much to gain without compromising what little integrity these engines have in the first place?

[NikitaKoval]

Evillecutter!
I can't answer... :-(
I do not understand, my English very bad...

[NikitaKoval]

Here you go....15 pages of instructions :)

Good job!!! Thanks! Reading...;-)

[eternal21]

my question from day one: can this engine even handle being supercharged? (i obviously know it has been done...) it seems to have enough problems as is - is there really that much to gain without compromising what little integrity these engines have in the first place?

Newthings had his VX s/c'ed @ 23k miles. For the time being, I own it, and it is sitting @ 98k miles. It was driven 39 hours straight from Oregon to Tx via I-5 to IH-10, towing a small U-Haul trailer full of stuff, and it never batted an eye. Normally that trip only takes 33ish or so hours, but in Cali, all vehicles towing a trailer have a speed limit of 55mph. Also encountered very inclement weather in AZ (pouring rain the entire way), NM (high winds/dust storms/icy conditions) and TX (ice and snow flurries). Night and day difference between my N/A VX and the S/C'ed VX.

[Buffy]

Jerry Lemond has a supercharged Trooper that never gives him a minute of trouble. Been on there for years trouble free. I know it isn't a VX but it is a 3.5.

[hughesdt]

I have to agree with Eternal21. Have had my super-charger on since 70k, have over 150k now. Did have an engine failure at 124k, but that had nothing to do with the supercharger, typical oil problem and spun #1 connecting rod bearing.

Should mention that putting the super-charger on the motor in the VX caused several ODBII codes till the engine failure, lean on accel, mass air flow low voltage, bank ?? lean... Swapped out intake gaskets, injector o-rings... Problem persisted so I blamed the super-charger.

While rebuilding the motor contemplated not re-installing the super-charger, kept the original manifold just incase. Did re-install the super-charger while the engine was on the engine stand and was very careful with the gaskets and o-rings, 26k and not a single CEL.

Recently broke the serpentine belt, the idle pulley bearing froze. Noticed that I wasn't accelerating like before and was surprised to see the belt missing. The VX ran just fine till I replaced the bearing and belt. WOW what a difference the super-charger makes!

Dan

[Robbomaz]

Holy mother of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Retail Price: $7,495.00"

:bwgy:
Our 'kit' was AUD 3300 without the SC. We sold 8 in the end

[Robbomaz]

my question from day one: can this engine even handle being supercharged? (i obviously know it has been done...) it seems to have enough problems as is - is there really that much to gain without compromising what little integrity these engines have in the first place?
Have you had some bad luck with them evil? I reckon they are as tough as nails! They can run big ends or camshaft bearings if the oil isn't changed regularly, but other than that very little else goes wrong. The open deck limits the ultimate amount of boost, and they're thirsty little suckers though!

[eternal21]

:bwgy:
Our 'kit' was AUD 3300 without the SC. We sold 8 in the end

Which kit are you referencing? The Alpine kit or the one linked above?

[NikitaKoval]

Hello, Robbomaz!
As your Jackaroo?! The amount of the boost you reached? What Ecu use ?! what ratio use in charge to 2-3 psi ( standard motor 6ve1, without the catalyst). what improvements have applied for 4l3e? Thank you! :-)))

[WormGod]

:bwgy:
Our 'kit' was AUD 3300 without the SC. We sold 8 in the end

I hear ya. Still sounds painfully steep to me since it isn't a full install kit, but I have seen Ford heads here in the states up up to $10k for blower kits (always Kenne Bell). I guess it all comes down to who has the $$ and and is willing to spend it. ;)

I got the complete Alpine kit back around 2002 for $3300 (US) IIRC, w/ the upgraded pulley (6psi).

In any case, not hatin'. At least there is another option out there. :)

[Petos]

What's the current status on supercharging kits for the Vehicross engine? Is this (http://www.capa.com.au/kits_holden_rodeo.htm) the only option?
In Russia we also have at least 3 Rotrex-based S/C kits installed with more available for sale (around $6k/kit),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vSCOZOk1cg
These, accoring to owners who switched from Alpine, are giving a much better performance increase.. they claim 6seconds to 100km/hr acceleration:
http://forum.4x4club.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=57875
We also have one Kenne Bell s/c installed
http://forum.4x4club.ru/index.php?s=&showtopic=85278&view=findpost&p=636086

Nikita - you should visit Russian VX site, vast knowledge base there, including on superchargers ;)

[Robbomaz]

Which kit are you referencing? The Alpine kit or the one linked above?
We (C-Red Tuning here in Perth WA.......that's Western Australia WA not Washington WA :)) got Alpine to do a small rerun of the major parts for us to suit the MP90 SC, and made up 'kits' that bolted on to our Jackaroo (your Trooper) which came with the 6VE1 in its last years of sale

[Robbomaz]

I hear ya. Still sounds painfully steep to me since it isn't a full install kit, but I have seen Ford heads here in the states up up to $10k for blower kits (always Kenne Bell). I guess it all comes down to who has the $$ and and is willing to spend it. ;)

I got the complete Alpine kit back around 2002 for $3300 (US) IIRC, w/ the upgraded pulley (6psi).

In any case, not hatin'. At least there is another option out there. :)
Yeah, the Alpine kit was well priced! When I talked to John Conchie, the original Alpine contact, he said they lost $ on every one they sold!

[Robbomaz]

Hello, Robbomaz!
As your Jackaroo?! The amount of the boost you reached? What Ecu use ?! what ratio use in charge to 2-3 psi ( standard motor 6ve1, without the catalyst). what improvements have applied for 4l3e? Thank you! :-)))
Nikita
Yes, Jackaroos! Most setups are just using 3 psi with the Isuzu ECU, with around 175 rear wheel hp.
One is using 7 psi, standard ECU with a 7th injector for 245 rwhp
One has aftermarket injectors, and a Haltech ECU for 265 rwhp on 8 psi - now has the engine apart to close the deck, lower compression pistons and tweak the oil galleries in anticipation of 'going nuts'!

All the hp numbers were with 33" tyres. Cant help regarding the auto sorry, we are all manuals. The US guys would be the auto experts for sure!

[NikitaKoval]

Nikita
Yes, Jackaroos! Most setups are just using 3 psi with the Isuzu ECU, with around 175 rear wheel hp.
One is using 7 psi, standard ECU with a 7th injector for 245 rwhp
One has aftermarket injectors, and a Haltech ECU for 265 rwhp on 8 psi - now has the engine apart to close the deck, lower compression pistons and tweak the oil galleries in anticipation of 'going nuts'!

All the hp numbers were with 33" tyres. Cant help regarding the auto sorry, we are all manuals. The US guys would be the auto experts for sure!

Thanks for the reply! At a pressure of 3 psi, what the ratio of the diameters pulley??


Petos, Hello! I am on our Russian forum and machine bought from the forum, read all the back and forth, generalizing information :-) will Soon begin its branch on the construction of the compressor VX

[Starglider]

In Russia we also have at least 3 Rotrex-based S/C kits installed with more available for sale (around $6k/kit)

Who is supplying those? Alas I'm not having much luck searching the Russian forum...

[Leon R]

Nikita
Yes, Jackaroos! Most setups are just using 3 psi with the Isuzu ECU, with around 175 rear wheel hp.
One is using 7 psi, standard ECU with a 7th injector for 245 rwhp
One has aftermarket injectors, and a Haltech ECU for 265 rwhp on 8 psi - now has the engine apart to close the deck, lower compression pistons and tweak the oil galleries in anticipation of 'going nuts'!

All the hp numbers were with 33" tyres. Cant help regarding the auto sorry, we are all manuals. The US guys would be the auto experts for sure!

Those are some low numbers (for base boost and power). I have been hearing 5psi with a basic Alpine kit. As HP figures, which dyno are you using? DynoDynamics?

Have you guys considered using AEM FIC for tuning? It is a piggyback system with a much better approach than the old Apexi AFCs.

[Robbomaz]

Those are some low numbers (for base boost and power). I have been hearing 5psi with a basic Alpine kit. As HP figures, which dyno are you using? DynoDynamics?

Have you guys considered using AEM FIC for tuning? It is a piggyback system with a much better approach than the old Apexi AFCs.
We are always conservative in power claims Leon :smilewink
While the numbers seem low the gain in power is close to 30%, which is not to be sneezed at.....Seriously though there is a method in the madness
You have to consider what environment we developed for - it was quite a simple idea - the main target (don't laugh now) was to be able to achieve 'float speed' over the infamous corrugations on the Canning Stock Route, about 105 km/h is enough speed to skim the tops - in the bottoms is a fine clingy dust that is worse than mud for rolling resistance, you either do 100+ or 20, anything in between shakes everything to pieces :winky:
With a truck loaded for two weeks camping even redlining third before picking fourth she simply didn't have the grunt to hold float speed even at WOT, with fuel use around 35 litres per 100 :madb:
Even with 280 litres of fuel tankage that's not enough. Fuel depots can be 1000-1200 km apart out there.
It is possible to get a very very long way from the nearest human/fuel/beer etc in Australia (Well, maybe not the beer) so the first priority was bulletproof reliability
Here we found that 5psi was 95% or more injector duty cycle, with the start of detonation audible in the headphones so we took 80% duty cycle and no knock at all on 91 octane as the base. In parts of the Outback the only fuel is a product called Opal (developed as a fuel you cant get high from sniffing...a problem in some of the Indigenous communities...you can fill in the blanks there!) which is in the 80's octane wise, so we considered that sometimes you might have Opal mixed with your 91-to-98 octane good fuel, or a whole tank of the stuff.
All the kits we fitted we did 'before and after' on our own Dyno Dynamics.
My own truck dynoed at 134hp before, 175 after on 3.3psi at 81% duty cycle

The truck that did the Stock Route did 128hp before, 174 after, 3.2 psi and 80% duty.
On a revisit to the CSR last year he found that not only could it achieve the required speed in fourth it did it at 40-50% throttle, and returned 22l per 100. This despite having added a rooftop tent and roof rack.

Mission accomplished :smilewink

[Petos]

Who is supplying those? Alas I'm not having much luck searching the Russian forum...
A Russian VX enthusiast who who put together a kit (similar to what Robbomaz did).. PM me if seriously interested..

[2strokespirit]

Hi guys...
Been following this thread for years...

We ran 0.48 bar (7psi) on 95 with stock injectors with no problems on the old alpine chargers... (201 rwhp) I have the graph somewhere... (122rwhp before charger)
My friend runs a vortech charger at 8.7 psi with stock injectors and piggyback with HUGE inter cooler... producing 240 RWHP!!!! Its been running for that for about 140 000km with NO issues whatsoever... It runs stock compression as well....
The inter cooler makes a HUGE difference to get the temps down...
I prefer the roots charger as the centrifugal ones has a turbo like lag...

This is my build....
Hope to crank it in the next 2 months...

http://4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=161771&highlight=supercharging+6vd1

[Robbomaz]

Hi guys...
Been following this thread for years...

We ran 0.48 bar (7psi) on 95 with stock injectors with no problems on the old alpine chargers... (201 rwhp) I have the graph somewhere... (122rwhp before charger)
My friend runs a vortech charger at 8.7 psi with stock injectors and piggyback with HUGE inter cooler... producing 240 RWHP!!!! Its been running for that for about 140 000km with NO issues whatsoever... It runs stock compression as well....
The inter cooler makes a HUGE difference to get the temps down...
I prefer the roots charger as the centrifugal ones has a turbo like lag...

This is my build....
Hope to crank it in the next 2 months...

http://4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=161771&highlight=supercharging+6vd1

Always fascinates me how what you would think are the same cars/engines give such different results!
Interesting thread too - apart from when you drop into your mother tongue :confused: I grew up in die Vrystaat - or Oranje Vrystaat as it was then - but since moving to Au have lost most of my Afrikaans :(
I've talked to Dave about the intercooler manifolds but actually bought any yet. I'll be interested to see your results!

[2strokespirit]

Always fascinates me how what you would think are the same cars/engines give such different results!
Interesting thread too - apart from when you drop into your mother tongue :confused: I grew up in die Vrystaat - or Oranje Vrystaat as it was then - but since moving to Au have lost most of my Afrikaans :(
I've talked to Dave about the intercooler manifolds but actually bought any yet. I'll be interested to see your results!

LOL.... Seriously? When did you move and why?

[NikitaKoval]

Hello, 2strokespirit!(Brosdoring)
http://4x4community.co.za/forum/show...rcharging+6vd1 - Very interesting topic!
I have 6VE1 on my ISUZU Vehicross. I start the installation Magnusson MP90 4-th gen. All the details set plan made independently. There are some questions:
where do you get the casting manifolds and inlet for supercharger MP90 ?

[2strokespirit]

Old alpine supercharger with the BIGGER pulley, around 0.38 bar... The chip was never connected here to optimize for the charger... This was with 31" mud terrain tyres, my speedo is spot on the gps with the bigger tyres... I only put my foot down from just before 2 sec in this vid... It will easily do a 8s if you launch hard, but I don't want to put to much stress on my drive train/diff or clutch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyctFtNQhXg

[Robbomaz]

LOL.... Seriously? When did you move and why?
We were in SA from 68 to 77, lived in Maseru in Lesotho & went to school in Ladybrand in OFS, then later moved to Ladybrand. Before that we were in Pretoria. 63-68 in Lusaka, Zambia and then Salisbury, Rhodesia (Harare Zimbabwe as it is now)
We moved to Au in the mid 70's....my fathers contracts with the SA Police and Lesotho Mounted Police were ending, plus looked like all hell was about to break loose in SA, :mad: Not quite 'Casspir school bus' stage when we left but heading that way..

[Robbomaz]

Hi guys...
Been following this thread for years...

We ran 0.48 bar (7psi) on 95 with stock injectors with no problems on the old alpine chargers... (201 rwhp) I have the graph somewhere... (122rwhp before charger)
My friend runs a vortech charger at 8.7 psi with stock injectors and piggyback with HUGE inter cooler... producing 240 RWHP!!!! Its been running for that for about 140 000km with NO issues whatsoever... It runs stock compression as well....
The inter cooler makes a HUGE difference to get the temps down...
I prefer the roots charger as the centrifugal ones has a turbo like lag...

This is my build....
Hope to crank it in the next 2 months...

http://4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=161771&highlight=supercharging+6vd1
We have done one for a guy who tows a big caravan, used stock ECU & injectors, added a 7th injector and controller, boost 7.5psi and 245hp on our dyno on 33" rubber. Intake temps were up, an intercooler would make a big difference and probably some more hp as well. It goes hard with no load!