The Short Wheel Base SUV Thread

[nfpgasmask]

Out of sheer boredom I began gathering a list of SWB SUVs. I know I am missing some, and that is where you all come in, however, I have criteria:

- Is considered a "sport utility vehicle" or "light truck"
- Only 2 doors
- Has a SWB
- Has a stock xfer case (no 4x4 lifted Ford Feisas on 35"s please)
- Non military, consumer vehicle

1) Isuzu VehiCROSS
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/vx1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/vx2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/vx3.jpg
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2) Isuzu Amigo/Rodeo Sport
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/amigo1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/amigo2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/amigo3.jpg
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3) Isuzu Trooper RS (1st and 2nd gen)
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/89rs1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/89rs2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/2ndrs1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/2ndrs2.jpg
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4) Dodge Raider/Mitsubishi Montero
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/raider1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/raider2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/raider3.jpg
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5) Daihatsu Rocky
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/rocky1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/rocky2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/rocky3.jpg
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[pbkid]

suzuki samarai?

jeep wrangler?

rav4?

CRV?

rodeo sport?

[nfpgasmask]

6) Defender 90
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/def901.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/def902.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/def903.jpg
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7) Suzuki Samurai
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/sam1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/sam2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/sam3.jpg
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8) Toyota Prado
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/prado1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/prado2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/prado3.jpg
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9) Toyota FJ
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/fj1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/fj2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/fj3.jpg
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10) Toyota BJ
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/bj701.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/bj702.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/bj703.jpg
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11) Jeep Wrangler
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/jeep1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/jeep2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/jeep3.jpg

[nfpgasmask]

suzuki samarai?

jeep wrangler?

rav4?

CRV?

Slow down, son! I can only post 20 pics at a time!!! :D

Do the RAV4 and CRV really count? They all have 4 doors, correct?

EDIT: OK, the older RAV4 had 2 doors, but does it have a transfer case? Man, that thing is so wimpy looking I don't know if I should add it or not! ;)

Bart

[CrnCnn]

Suzuki Sidekick.

[nfpgasmask]

12) Mitsubishi Pajero (I think this is just an updated Montero with a foreign name)
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/pajero1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/pajero2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/pajero3.jpg
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Toyota RAV4
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/rav41.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/rav42.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/rav43.jpg
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Suzuki Sidekick
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/sidekik2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/sidekik1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/sidekik3.jpg
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Ford Bronco II
http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/bronco1.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/bronco2.jpg

http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/swbsuvs/bronco3.jpg

[pbkid]

well...are you looking for all short wheelbase SUV's...or just a list of SUV's that have offroad parts available??? ;)

need to clarify i think

[pbkid]

if its the lader, then you need to include 2 door explorer's, 2 door land rovers, 2 door tahoe's...things of that sort :(

[nfpgasmask]

well...are you looking for all short wheelbase SUV's...or just a list of SUV's that have offroad parts available??? ;)

need to clarify i think

As stated at the top:

- Is considered a "sport utility vehicle" or "light truck"
- Only 2 doors
- Has a SWB
- Has a stock xfer case (no 4x4 lifted Ford Feisas on 35"s please)
- Non military, consumer vehicle

What else can I specify? Does the RAV4 have a 4x4 shifter or is it AWD and that's it? I mean, I suppose I should include the Jeep Liberty then too, even though it is pretty wimpy as well...:rolleyes:


if its the lader, then you need to include 2 door explorer's, 2 door land rovers, 2 door tahoe's...things of that sort :(

D90 is there, there's a 2 door Tahoe? Does it have a SWB? I am thinking Bronco II might need to go in there...

Bart

[nfpgasmask]

Suzuki Sidekick.

Got it, but I always thought they were basically just the updated Samurai? I don't know much about Zuks tho...

Bart

[taylorRichie]

Suzuki Jimmy
Geo Tracker / the already listed Suzuki Sidekick
Range Rover Suffix A2 (http://bringatrailer.com/2008/01/21/rarity-1972-range-rover-suffix-a-two-door/) (maybe full size?
Chevy S10 Blazer (ZR2)
Ford Explorer
Jeep Cherokee Sport
Skoda yeti
Suzuki X Head (truck?)
Kia Soulster (truck?)
Ford Bronco 66-77ish
nissan patrol
nissan pathfinder 2 door
mahindra (not sure the model of the 2 door suvs)
land rover freelander (2 door)

[vt_maverick]

Need to add another criteria - this is going to become a very long thread...

Suzuki X-90
Chevy K-10 Blazer
International Scout / Scout II

... and I would add more but this is the most I can type while simultaneously rocking the baby to sleep in the dark. ;)

[taylorRichie]

Well since it's SWB K-10 or internationals probably wouldn't fit in...

I think SWB is <90 wheel base...

And I don't think the X90 has a low range gear box... But they are fun cars!

[kodiak]

Cool thread Bart!:p

Austin Gypsy

http://www.visionmotorservices.co.uk/cridge/d/504-3/Austin+Gypsy+swb+station+wagon.jpg

Engesa
http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Engesa/PiCs37/1988-4FIIfq.jpg

Mahindra Bolero Invader
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-vehicles/9250d1208420676-mahindra-invader-4wd-bolero-invader-side-quarter.jpg

Nissan Patrol
http://image.motortrend.com/f/new-cars/nissan-360-day-1-things-ive-learned/9498650+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-nissan-patrol-swb.jpg


Mercedes-Benz G320
http://carsguru.net/clf/5/2/52a480fb.jpg

[JoFotoz]

LADA NIVA...


...my first Off Road love!

jo

[djvx]

boredome Gas mask.........hmmm, don't know what boredome is. I wish I was bored.I haven'teven washed my vx since the midwest meet.... How bout the "geo tracker"

[kodiak]

LADA NIVA...


...my first Off Road love!

jo

:yes:

http://z.about.com/d/4wheeldrive/1/0/o/I/1/Phillip_91LadaNiva_1RR.jpg

[crotchrocket]

Suzuki Jimny

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=997&d=1244200200

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=998&d=1244200213

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn286/renalefteris_2008/100_0273.jpg

[Riff Raff]

And I don't think the X90 has a low range gear box... But they are fun cars!

Yes, the Suzuki X-90 is a true 4x4 with a Hi/Lo range X-fer case. They were available in manual or automatic. The X-90 is just as rare as the VX, and was made only 3 years 1996, 1997, 1998 (just like the VX was made only 3 years). The 1998 X-90 (USA Model) had a production of only 412 units!!!

When my little econo-box commuter car dies, I'm buying a 1998 Suzuki X-90. I almost bought an X-90 last month, but was a day late answering the ad. With traditional four wheel drive (2x4/4x4 Hi/Lo X-fer case), they will go anywhere, and get almost 30 MPG!!!

[vt_maverick]

Yes, the Suzuki X-90 is a true 4x4 with a Hi/Lo range X-fer case. They were available in manual or automatic. The X-90 is just as rare as the VX, and was made only 3 years 1996, 1997, 1998 (just like the VX was made only 3 years). The 1998 X-90 (USA Model) had a production of only 412 units!!!

When my little econo-box commuter car dies, I'm buying a 1998 Suzuki X-90. I almost bought an X-90 last month, but was a day late answering the ad. With traditional four wheel drive (2x4/4x4 Hi/Lo X-fer case), they will go anywhere, and get almost 30 MPG!!!

There's one for sale on a garage lot down the street for me. Have to inquire within about a price, but I'm betting it's less than $500.

[CrnCnn]

Kia Sportage
Chevy S-10 blazer
Full size blazer??? Maybe a little big for this thread.
Jeep Wagoneer??
Jeep Cherokee??

[taylorRichie]

Yes, the Suzuki X-90 is a true 4x4 with a Hi/Lo range X-fer case. They were available in manual or automatic. The X-90 is just as rare as the VX, and was made only 3 years 1996, 1997, 1998 (just like the VX was made only 3 years). The 1998 X-90 (USA Model) had a production of only 412 units!!!

NICE!!

I honestly didn't know it had the low range box... That's crazy... I've always been a fan of the X90, I bet 250 of them were purchased by redbull for promo cars ;)

They pop up often around here.

==

I have always loved Suzukis, and really wish they would bring the jimmy here :( The first time I saw a Jimmy was in Costa Rica, and my jaw literally dropped... :)

[nfpgasmask]

Thanks for all the input. Lots of good stuff here, despite getting away from my criteria a little bit. If I get really bored again today, I will do a proper update...

Bart

[CrnCnn]

If I get really bored again today, I will do a proper update...

Bart

Dont you mean "when"?

[nfpgasmask]

Dont you mean "when"?

I hope so, it's Friday, and no one likes to have a busy Friday... :rolleyes:

Bart

[Gussie2000]

I think the 1rst generation of KIA sportage may fit the bill along with the hyundai tucson even though both are four-doors.
Was the jeep cherokee sport aldeary included on the list

[Gussie2000]

I think the 1rst generation of KIA sportage may fit the bill along with the hyundai tucson even though both are four-doors.
Was the jeep cherokee sport aldeary included on the list

Although I have my personal reservations about its clasification honda has the "element" in the SUV category

[nfpgasmask]

Yeah, whole point of this thread, is

No 4-doors
No Pick-ups
No 4x4 "cars"
And another criteria I should have added, is no concepts, because imo, they count about as much as a Hot Wheels toy. :)

And the SWB issue could be clarified with exact measurements, but that would be too much work. I think the Bronco II I last posted is pushing the limits there....I was thinking about the Jeep Liberty, but they I remembered it is a 4-door so it doesn't count.

:) Bart

[nfpgasmask]

Although I have my personal reservations about its clasification honda has the "element" in the SUV category

Yeah, definitley NO. And No Scion xB either!

;) Bart

[CrnCnn]

Well, excuuuuuse me.... :rolleyes:

The Wagoneer came in Two door. As did the Kia Sportage.

As for the wheelbase the Grand that Cari drives is not that much bigger but yes its a four door but they did/do? make the square body style in 2 door.

[nfpgasmask]

Well, excuuuuuse me.... :rolleyes:

The Wagoneer came in Two door. As did the Kia Sportage.

As for the wheelbase the Grand that Cari drives is not that much bigger but yes its a four door but they did/do? make the square body style in 2 door.

Right, as did the Trooper, but the RS qualifies with only 2 doors. So shortened versions definitely quality. I need to look up the Wagoneer, I can't think of that it looks like...

Bart

[nfpgasmask]

I just looked up the Wagoneer and the 2-door Jeep Cherokee. I think both of those are a little too long. Vehicles with only 2 doors that are big enough to have 4 doors really aren't SWB vehicles, imo. That would mean the original 2 Trooper should be in there, but technically it's certainly not short enough.

Only 2 doors, but certainly not short...
http://www.carsearch.com/photos/700831.jpeg

What I was really going for with this thread are those little trucks that are seldom made anymore for some reason (at least in the USA), that end up being legendary little wheeling machines. If you look at the majority of the entries, we have a lot to choose from, but very few of these vehicles are available any more. And the "new school" of SWB SUVs tend to be a little wimpy, imo.

Everything today is either:

A) A pick-up truck
B) A wimpy grocery getter hardly qualified enough to be a stout SWB 4x4 (i.e. RAV4 and CRV)
C) A full sized 4-door SUV

It really seems the only vehicle made in any significant number today (in the US) that fits this criteria is the Jeep Wrangler.

I think the whole point of this thread for me was to get a nice list of those vehicles that fit into that "legendary little wheeling machine" category.

I just don't know why we don't have stuff like this anymore...except for Jeeps. :_wtf:

Bart

[Gussie2000]

I think it has to do with the perception about "the bigger the better"
For example,one of my friends when he saw the VX he replay : Gus,that buggy is terrific,but too small (he drives a 2007 laredo)"why didn't you bought a bigger truck ? I think is "better"
He didn't ask me about how the VX perform or if is dependable more than "it's too small"
The manufacturers actually rushed that perception into the comsumers & dropped any future 2 door project probably to safe money on the long road leaving the customer with no options more then : You take it or leave it
If we all look at the current market you can find almost all manufactures producing two doors sport cars (i.e) Ford,BMW,lexus,infiniti,chevrolet,honda,nissan,dog de,etc because sport cars is perceived to be build for the singled/very independent/whatever you think/who cares/free kids/i'm not a baby mama individual although a coupe SUV can do the same job & falls into the same category

Beside all that the SUV has being showcased as the "family oriented" vehicule,you can prove your self that by looking at the TV adds the way how they shows you a whole family on board of a SUV & the single guys friving around. On his V8 coupe.
This perception has condemmed any 2 doors SUV as the nemesis of a SUV's main purpose.

Can anyone recall which is last two door SUV (brand,model & year) on the dealer's show floor ?

[nfpgasmask]

I think it has to do with the perception about "the bigger the better"
For example,one of my friends when he saw the VX he replay : Gus,that buggy is terrific,but too small (he drives a 2007 laredo)"why didn't you bought a bigger truck ? I think is "better"
He didn't ask me about how the VX perform or if is dependable more than "it's too small"
The manufacturers actually rushed that perception into the comsumers & dropped any future 2 door project probably to safe money on the long road leaving the customer with no options more then : You take it or leave it
If we all look at the current market you can find almost all manufactures producing two doors sport cars (i.e) Ford,BMW,lexus,infiniti,chevrolet,honda,nissan,dog de,etc because sport cars is perceived to be build for the singled/very independent/whatever you think/who cares/free kids/i'm not a baby mama individual although a coupe SUV can do the same job & falls into the same category

Beside all that the SUV has being showcased as the "family oriented" vehicule,you can prove your self that by looking at the TV adds the way how they shows you a whole family on board of a SUV & the single guys friving around. On his V8 coupe.
This perception has condemmed any 2 doors SUV as the nemesis of a SUV's main purpose.

Can anyone recall which is last two door SUV (brand,model & year) on the dealer's show floor ?

Good points, and I think you are probably right on the money when it comes to the answer.

Bart

[nfpgasmask]

Yep, 2009 Jeep Wrangler.

There you have it. One freakin' option.


My understanding as to why we have lost the great short and tall 4x4 machines is liability. Companies took to much heat for producing such machines that were linked to roll-overs as well as bad results in accidents.

Well, the same things happened with regular sized Troopers and Xterras and such. I mean, you are probably right, this very well may be a contributing factor along with what Gussie said, but it nonetheless sucks. I think automobile technology has evolved enough to figure that problem out.

Bart

PS - There is a complete (I assume running) Daihatsu Rocky sitting at Pick & Pull for sale. I wish I could buy it. Pretty cool looking little truck. First time I ever saw one in person.

[kodiak]

Bang for buck, The XJ is probably the best 2dr SUV for a buildup.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1537/881/3840440091_large.jpg

[Gussie2000]

Yep, 2009 Jeep Wrangler.

Great shot zeus!
Is the only survivor of the breed.
And yet still they didn't sell well
The rubicoon beat him by a long shot in sales

[CrnCnn]

My input on why small suv are not doing well, or marketed well or wimpy (however you would like to put it)






Soccer mom's

[Gussie2000]

They sell great as far as Jeeps go! :) The Rubicon is just an option package for the Wrangler and for a good part of 2007 (the 1st year of the current model, JK) you couldn't find a Rubicon on any lot so Mopar saw huge sales numbers for the Rubicon axles and t-cases so that lesser-equipped JK's could be upgraded to Rubicon status. It is still pretty common for folks to do that.
Yeah.
I always found jeep's wrangler good option for wheeling,especially the short wheel type.

[nfpgasmask]

One would think so, but I think the unreliable Range Rover with it's expensive air suspension gives testament to the lack of practicality that much technology adds to a would-be great wheeling machine. Aggressive terrain is punishing on technology...

Yeah, and the same goes for the wanna-be H2. That things is joke, imo.

And that is exactly why I love my new Trooper. It's a metal box with an engine, a trans and a set of wheels. I mean, this thing is S I M P L E.

Bart

[pbkid]

ya, wish they would have continued the idea of the RSC...

bart- i know its not 2dr...but i think it should qualify..

the new FJ... its like 2 1/2drs lol...

[nfpgasmask]

ya, wish they would have continued the idea of the RSC...

bart- i know its not 2dr...but i think it should qualify..

the new FJ... its like 2 1/2drs lol...

Sorry man, I just can't. I just really don't like the new FJ. I mean, I give Toyota points for the effort, but imo, it looks like a Hummer drawn by a cartoonist. Its just way too big and way too bubblely looking. I've tried, but I can't get into it.

The RSc on the other hand, now that I would be allover...

Bart

[Gussie2000]

I just really don't like the new FJ. I mean, I give Toyota points for the effort, but imo, it looks like a Hummer drawn by a cartoonist. Its just way too big and way too bubblely looking. I've tried, but I can't get into it.


Hey better vehiGAZ don't read this lines :rolleyes:

[LittleBeast]

I just really don't like the new FJ. I mean, I give Toyota points for the effort, but imo, it looks like a Hummer drawn by a cartoonist. Its just way too big and way too bubblely looking. I've tried, but I can't get into it.


Hey better vehiGAZ don't read this lines :rolleyes:

Yeah but have you seen Jay Dunford's blacked out FJ? He took it to Moab with all of us, it one of the only FJ's I like, it is a pretty sweet ride and he is not done with it yet.

[taylorRichie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ojC25A1p8

Video of the silly H2.

[nfpgasmask]

Yeah but have you seen Jay Dunford's blacked out FJ? He took it to Moab with all of us, it one of the only FJ's I like, it is a pretty sweet ride and he is not done with it yet.

Yup, I wheeled with Jay in Moab 08. It's not that I hate it or anything, it's just that I have tried to like it for a while, and I have finally reached my decision...:thumbdn: Either way, I'm sure they make good wheelers and have some good aspects.

But you have a point. Blacking out any vehicle definitely takes it up a notch as far as coolness.

:) Bart

[pbkid]

ohhhh.... i misread...this thread is about what vehicles bart likes????


ok...never mind on the FJ then...

pretty sure it would destroy 95% of the vehicles on this list in the offroad world, but its too ugly i guess :(

gotta jab ya bart

[taylorRichie]

pretty sure it would destroy 95%
How do you figure?

And FJ is 1.5 door on each side right??

I think the FJ can out wheel 50% stock, and if we're comparing modded I'd say 35% ;)

[pbkid]

50%??? how do you figure?? the FJ has a built in locker...stock...


show me another vehicle there with a built in locker...(ok, the rubicon does, but what else??)

[taylorRichie]

Locker doesn't mean it can outwheel... ask Zeus ;)

Also it's an "option" so calling it stock isn't really fair.

[pbkid]

Locker doesn't mean it can outwheel... ask Zeus ;) well then i would call that driver skill, not vehicle capability

Also it's an "option" so calling it stock isn't really fair.

i dunno...i just dont believe that many of the vehicles on that list could out-do an FJ

[nfpgasmask]

ohhhh.... i misread...this thread is about what vehicles bart likes????

Well, yes and no. I do like a lot of these vehicles, several of them not so much. Of all of them listed there are two I would LOVE to have, the Defender 90 and a 89 Trooper RS. The rest you can keep. :)

So, if you want a jab, here's one: Did you even read the beginning of this post?

"- Is considered a "sport utility vehicle" or "light truck"
- Only 2 doors
- Has a SWB
- Has a stock xfer case (no 4x4 lifted Ford Feisas on 35"s please)
- Non military, consumer vehicle"

FJ don't fit. :D

So there!

:p Bart

[nfpgasmask]

i dunno...i just dont believe that many of the vehicles on that list could out-do an FJ

Well that proves nothing. You just like the FJ, so therefore it can out do most of the vehilces on this list? I love my VX, but I know there are plenty of Jeeps out there that would run circles around it.

And regardless, even if the FJ was THE BEST WHEELER in the world, it simply doesn't fit the list, ugly or not. :D If I add it, I might as well add the Xterra too, just for good measure, right? :_beer:

Bart

[taylorRichie]

well then i would call that driver skill, not vehicle capability

I hope you're not implying Justin has skill!! :eek:


















j/k of course...

I like the FJ, I could drive one in the future, and I do believe it is very capable, but I wouldn't say it's anymore or less capable than any other on the list.

We're not talking stock trim here... We all dream of what we could do, can do and will do, not how they come stock ;)

[Riff Raff]

Hopefully; the Chinese will build the new Hummer HX/H4 concept, and Ford will build the new retro Bronco concept. In the meantime, I'll just have to be happy with my FJ-40 & VX.

Incidentally, I used to own a 1997 Limited Edition (#127 of 300 made) LR Defender-90. I sold it to put a very substantial down payment on a house. The Defender-90 is a super-tough truck, but drank gas like frickin' kool-aid (when the speedometer needle goes to the right; the gas gauge needle goes to the left, at the same time - no joke). I will say this however, that the Defender-90 is one of the very few 4x4's; besides the legendary FJ-40, that retains (and often even increases) its re-sale market value.

[nfpgasmask]

I will say this however, that the Defender-90 is one of the very few 4x4's; besides the legendary FJ-40, that retains (and often even increases) its re-sale market value.

And that is exactly why I don't have one. I've seen D90s with like 125k on the clock still selling for $30,000!!!! :eek:

I mean, they are awesome and all, but come on!

Bart

[nfpgasmask]

I have more tenacity and finess than skill! :rolleyes: Plus I have Ldub and Linda and the hands and rides of others to help me thru! See, you don't NEED lockers!

That's right! It's all about pickin' the right line and having a good spotter!!!

Bart

[kodiak]

Hahaha! Justin’s I wish I had a locker moment. ;)

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/Triathlete/09%20Moab%20day2/09MoabDay2DomePlateau026.jpg

[pbkid]

Yup, it IS too ugly! Really though, I think it depends on the trail. An FJ would get eaten up on certain trails that a Samurai could squeeze through. And if you want to compare these rigs as a starting platform for greater things, the FJ would be destroyed by "95%" of the vehicles on this list even though you can get it with lockers out of the box. For the cost of an FJ with the goods, you can get almost any one of these other older rides and deck it out to outperform the FJ VERY easily.

right, but we arent talking about...what the best offroad vehicle is for a low budget...we are talking about good offroad vehicles..

i could just as easily say, give me a go-kart and 15K and ill outrun a ferrari :)

[blacksambo]

I think even Lamborgini did a two door?

[Ldub]

I think even Lamborgini did a two door?

I do believe you're right...

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/lamborghini-suv.jpg

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/lambo_suv.jpg

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/lamborghini-suv_01.jpg

[taylorRichie]

I didn't know they were still building or concepting offroad vehicles...

I always loved the LM002... One day ;)

[Ldub]

I didn't know they were still building or concepting offroad vehicles...

I always loved the LM002... One day ;)

Not sure that they are...just some quick pics I found with a googl image search.:_confused