Since no one seems to have mentioned it........

[crotchrocket]

Its been a year since Obama's inauguration.

Opinions ????????

Personally, i feel that i haven't heard a thing about Obama in the past year. Don't know why but i was expecting televised miricles performed on a weekly basis. It seams he's a regular presedent after all, mabe the 'black' thing was not such a big deal as everyone thought ????? It seams a majour step for a black presedent to be elected and his rise to power was such a high but since his presedency it turns out he runs the country the same way as any other president and his colour has neither hindered or helped him along the way. Maybe society was more ready than we thought???


Heres the UK's news story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8462685.stm

[circmand]

Actually he has been a worse version of Jimmy Carter. He inherited a bad economy he made it the worst sincew the great depression. He inherited 4.8% unemployment spent an additional $700,000,000,000,000 to keep it under 8% and has taken it to 10.2% (10% is you are looking at December temp jobs) The stimulous went to keeping government employees hired at the expense of private workers who actually produce something. Every stimulous dollar that can be tracked went to projects with high union/democrat voters it was a payoff pure and simple. He promised change and open government he brought pain and suffering with secret back door meetings and dictator would be jealous of. He is a dissappointment of the highest order.

I would even rather have George W back even he was much better than BO.

[crotchrocket]

Really? you'd rather Bush! I didn't know about the above, all i heard on the news was an HIV sufferer who was now allowed to enter the US when Bush had banned it.

[tom4bren]

The stimulous went to keeping government employees hired at the expense of private workers who actually produce something.

Waitaminit - I are one of those.

:slap:

I'm not an Obama fan (not because I'm predjudiced but because he was elected by the media instead of the people).

My program was cut by 50% both last year & this year which cut many Defense Contractor positions as well as a few Government positions.

That's all I got to say 'bout that.

[Marlin]

Obama has set back the chance for a black man to ever be president again for decades. Lots of people voted for him because of his skin color, certainly wasn't his experience or track record. Now everyone will have a bad taste, and all the young people that voted for him will not forget that. Its a shame really, but at least we know that there will be some common sense restored in congress soon, and in 3 more years, the presidency. A solid independent would have an amazing shot in 2012.

[Stephen Biko]

In this country, what politician isn't elected "by" the media? Democrats or republicans all they do is spend hundreds of millions trying to influence media reporting.

As for what I think of Obama - Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Gitmo is still open, he backpedaled on anti-wiretapping even before getting elected, spending continues at rates comparable to Bush. Healthcare is turning into a repeat of the medicare drug fiasco (in which the lobbyists wrote the bill such that medicare is legally prevented from using their buying power to negotiate pricing).

At least he didn't really scew up the continuing marginalization of Al-Qaeda - nobody even cared about the underpants bomber in the arab press, it was backpage news at best. Although failing to tell everyone to stop acting so hysterical over the underpants bomber doesn't help here at home.

[tom4bren]

In this country, what politician isn't elected "by" the media? Democrats or republicans all they do is spend hundreds of millions trying to influence media reporting.

True, but I was referring to all of the free publicity he got from Hollywood.

[handeeman]

I agree with Marlin, a strong Independent could probably pull it off. Can you imagine if a guy name Mitchum ran as an Independent. His slogan could be "With Mitchum you can be rid of the BO."

[Marlin]

I agree with Marlin, a strong Independent could probably pull it off. Can you imagine if a guy name Mitchum ran as an Independent. His slogan could be "With Mitchum you can be rid of the BO."

LMFAO, you just made my day...

[Ldub]

I agree with Marlin, a strong Independent could probably pull it off. Can you imagine if a guy name Mitchum ran as an Independent. His slogan could be "With Mitchum you can be rid of the BO."

Robert Mitchum's corpse for president!...:thumbup:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CM1pqhodMRQ/STVQpyybvvI/AAAAAAAABU0/poMXHH731bg/s400/robert_

[ZEUS]

Eh, he's just another human bean muddying the waters. We'd be screwed in one way or another had we elected the other human bean. I mean, it's not like we have much to choose from in a 2-party system anyway... Some old guy who said word for word, "I know where Osama BinLaden is." brought in a bimbo as his VP to take votes from the black man who promised change... the whole election had a reality show feel to it, complete with scripted twists... how sad. Don't expect much from us on the other side of the pond... afterall, we are the people who put George Bush in office TWICE... and apparently some would do it again if they could... what's that tell ya?

[nfpgasmask]

because he was elected by the media instead of the people

Exactly. And as far as I can see, he hasn't done much so far. I think he did inherit a chit sandwich for sure, so he has an uphill climb, but either way, he's nothing but another figurehead.

On a good note, he can actually speak to an audience without sounding like a redneck idiot. And at very least, I hope he earns back some respect for the United States that was lost (or rather punched in the stomach and then kicked in groin) while Premier Bush was in office.

I don't like Obama much, but Bush was a straight up buffoon. Bottom line, he's a politician. Nothing more. I'm just sick of the way this country is run by one extreme or another. It seems there will never be a middle ground president.

Bart

[samneil2000]

I hate to get involved in this sort of thread because they sometimes get heated. I know I'm very opinionated on this subject, and we all know opinions are like arseholes... we've all got one and they all stink.

So, here's mine:
BHO is a major left wing socialist. He has thrown all of the catch-words out there like "social justice" etc. This sort of person (politician or not) believes that those that are successful in life owe something to those who are less successful. It doesn't matter that I have worked about 70 hours this week already. I make too much money for a white guy, and I owe it to people that aren't so blessed. That's called wealth redistribution. One bad flag for BHO.

Another issue I have is this apologist attitude he and other lefties have towards the rest of the world. They believe that the big mean United States has been a bully all around the world. They think that's why radical Islamists want to blow us up. So he has been playing nice and sucking up and apologizing for all the mean things the US has done, and has not garnered the respect of anyone that didn't respect Mr Bush. He has likely lost respect over Mr. Bush.
The radicals want us dead because we are the devil to them. Nothing BHO can do to change their opinion.
If we are the big bully US, why are we dumping millions into Haiti to help those people suffering over there. We could sit back and let them deal with it. The truth is, any time there is a major conflict or major natural disaster, we are the number one country those suffering look to for help. We always give help when needed. Remember the sunami?


I think Bush the second was a far greater president than what we have today. I did have issues with him as well, but would take him back in a second. He sucked at public speaking, but he carried a big stick. The Iraq war is a big issue for a lot of people, but either way, that one was won under Bush, and the country is working on growing as a democracy.
Bush screwed up big time with bail-out number one. He regrets it too, but all the people he trusted to help make the decision told him it was the right thing to do.

Another big issue with BHO is the spending spree. I know people like to think every president spends like crazy, but BHO's budget is bigger than the budgets of George Washington to George Bush 2, and every president in between combined!! I don't think that's the way to grow the economy. If they were worried about the economy and no so much social justice, they would cut taxes on the middle class and on businesses so they could afford to start creating jobs again. There are countless studies and examples in the past that proof that is how to spurn the economy. Not by blowing through tax-payer money like skittles. The government doesn't do anything to make money. It simply takes it from us. At least businesses take money for providing a good or service, and they spend that money to continue doing business. That's how the economy works, or at least used to.

Ok, I'm done. I hope no one is angered by this, because I hate when these threads turn bitter. This is just one humble conservative's opinion on the current president.

[Gussie2000]

I think that who ever were the president today,either obama or Mccain wouldn't make any difference.

This is not about how barack obama handled the US economy so far,it's about the big mess the country was delivered to him.
Is like trying to stop a 4 tons truck already rolling free from a up hill street heading down to a dead end & trying to get into the driver's seat before it gets there...... go figured out

What happened was unevitable because the former president didn;t do any thing to stop it & barack was not able to tackle in just few months everything,common guys,we all taking about the biggest economy in the world;You can't judge the man by either seating on the republican or democratic bench and if you do then you aren't be doing the right thing as a citizen.
Every body is impacient because they loss their jobs,homes,cars,savings are depleted & problably in deep debt & that is understandable,but every body agreed it would take time.

Asking obama to clean up 8 years of mess in just few months isn't fair at all.

The economy meltdown was already in motion,an momentum that wasn't easy to catch up with by just sitting in the oval office signing few documents & having some meetings with the staff.

Critizism is always the easy path people use againts those in "line of fire" to blame when things doesn;t work as planned.

I thing that all the money that has been spend so far was done so to avoid going deeper in recesion and skip a depresion,not to recover the US economy at once & get things back to "normal" with the blink of an eye.

I know many would not agree with my opinion but that is how i can see all this situation as far as today.

[Stephen Biko]

I'm just sick of the way this country is run by one extreme or another. It seems there will never be a middle ground president

That's funny, other than a few hotbutton issues, McCain and Obama are pretty much identical policy-wise. I don't think its a case of extremes, but rather the convergence of both parties to about the same place resulting in rhetoric full of sound and fury; signifying nothing.

Its kind of the way really big mutual funds tend to end up mimicing the general stock market. You've got two huge parties that account for roughly 99% of the votes - when they are that broad-based they both end up at the same place. So they have to make a huge deal of the very minor differences between them.

Slightly extreme would be someone like Ron Paul or Ralph Nader. Really extreme I can't even name any politicians that fit the bill on the right, just talking heads like Pat Robertson or Michelle Malkin vs somebody like Brian Moore of the Socialist Party USA (despite his being way more capitalist than someone like Karl Marx).

[Y33TREKker]

I personally don't think the general populace had realistic expectations before the man was elected, and don't think the general populace has since adopted expectations that are any more realistic now.

Maybe it was just poor timing on the television networks' parts that movies like The Legend of Bagger Vance, The Green Mile, etc. were being shown so much leading up to the election, which resulted in people starting to believe too much in magical black men? I don't know.

:p

But, to expect that as much change as some apparently expected, could take place in the relatively small amount of time that has passed so far is what really seems unrealistic...at least to me anyway. Especially when we are talking about most of the same people in government (world and domestic), big business/special interest, etc, resorting to the same old tactics when they don't get their way.

So, as far as providing an opinion for this thread, I think the guy is at least trying, but when the majority of people are looking for any excuses they can to complain about things rather than focusing on what they may be able to do to help, what kind of expectations can a person really have for the man to be given a fair assessment?

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Obama worse than George Bush?
What are you people smoking in here?
GWB was the worst president we ever had.
Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit.
Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming.
Put our country in the worst financial straights since the depression.
Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor.
Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time.
This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB.
I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .

[samneil2000]

This economic crisis was brought about by fannie and freddy buying up bad mortgages and by government mandated loose lending policies to help people get houses even though they couldn't really afford them. This was started under Carter and given a boost under Clinton. There were many times that people like Mccain and Bush brought up concern regarding fannie and freddy and people like Barney Frank assured them there was no need for concern.
One thing I think Mccain and others should have done is gone on the news circuit and blown the whistle in front of all Americans. Maybe then someone would have done something.

[circmand]

Obama worse than George Bush?
What are you people smoking in here?
GWB was the worst president we ever had. .

Only if you go by popularity. Doing whats right is not about wealth redistribution.

.[/QUOTE]
Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit..[/QUOTE]

There was never a surplus. That was a big lie by the democrats it was on paper based on 10 years of the economy conitinueing the way it was going but the dotcom crash did that and was caused by Clinton

.[/QUOTE]

Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming..[/QUOTE]

As opposed to Neopolitan in charge of security? A passenger stops another airplane being blown up and the system worked? No one was sure where exactly Katrina was going to hit, there was no way to stop a hurricane, Lousiana built and continues to build on the coast below sea level, and billions were given to Louisianna Democrats who wasted and stole the money and they still want more.

P.[/QUOTE]
ut our country in the worst financial straights since the depression..[/QUOTE]

No that is Obama he has spent in one year what Bush spent in eight including the wars and only ran up the deficit remember the 700 Billion stimulous was written and passed by a democrat house and democrat senate and was veto proof. That is not Bush that is all Democrat waste
.[/QUOTE]
Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor..[/QUOTE]
As opposed to giving them billions like BO?
.[/QUOTE]
Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time..[/QUOTE]
tens of thousands tortured where do you get this number? A few hundred terrorists that Obama wants to invite to the US and give tax payer funded attorneys to and cost NYC millions in secutrity
.[/QUOTE]

This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB..[/QUOTE]
Yeah like MLB and their bunch of steroid freaks are a good judge of anybody at least W had more experienced than BO an organizer of corrupt government funded organizations like Acorn
.[/QUOTE]

I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. .[/QUOTE]
A majority of Americans are against the Democrat Health Plan even the Democrats admit that yet they work behind the scenes to shove it down the peoples throat
.[/QUOTE]

He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .[/QUOTE]
The USA can not afford to give him any more time for on the job training he is totally a black Jimmy Carter. without a negro dialect unless he wants one.

Oh wait I am not a democrat so its racists for me to say that.

God I love when the board gets a good discussion going.

[don moore]

lol I knew HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE had to jump in with his ..part ..good job man...

lol
I wanted McCain/Palin cause McCains wife is hot and so is Palin..
:work:
JUST SAY NO...

[PK]

See what you started Crotchity.:smilewink:bgwo::bgwb:

Man o man - talk about throwing petrol on the fire.




All I can say, as an outsider looking in, is -

No-one respected Bush. He was a brainless twit, and the whole world knew it.

Obama appears to be trying to at least do the right thing from a very bad starting position.
Give him another couple of years before you write him off.

But that is only another opinion, feel free to disagree.

PK

[technocoy]

I refuse to judge a man who was handed one of the worst **** storms this country has seen in decades. In two more years I will tell you how he is doing.

The fact is that we have a runaway congress. Neither side is effective and they just stare intensely at each other and make rude gestures. Obama flat out told the Democrats to work with the Republicans. Dumb *** twit Nancy Pelosi made that a half hearted farce of an attempt and then the Republicans decided to show their immaturity by walling up and not even presenting decent options in return.

The fact is that until Lobbyist are strung up and told to stay the hell out of washington and politicians are tied with shadow accounts to big corporations we will never get out of this BS. Obama is doing his job, congress is playing politics. Both sides.

And as for McCain, he was an honorable politician until he started lying and selling his soul during that campaign. When he first announced his run I was excited. Then he started the BS hanging out with religious nuts like Falwell. From there it was a downward spiral. He completely lost me once he brought on the bag of scary that is Sarah Palin.

I'm also personally offended at all the BS about being the friend of the military. Just because if his history people take it at face value. The reality is for all his talk he voted against so many bills that were set to raise benefits and medical care standards for veterans it's not funny.

I don't care what the cost, any man or woman who serves this country in the armed forces should never have to worry about health care in their lifetime.

Politics has become a 24/7 reality ratings grab and it's creating a dangerous environment.

The best thing we can do is vote as many new senators and representatives into office the next time around that are as centrist as possible.

We are no longer operating within the rules. Dynasties have taken over and it's scary as hell. Someone mentions reduced terms and it's swept under the rug faster than you can spit. Every year regardless of the economy or what we the people are dealing with they feel they deserve a raise. We are being ruled by a group of people who can vote themselves any perks they want and refuse voting on anything that risks their job security.

If you think Barack Obama is the one running the country into the ground, you need to step back and have another look.

I say give the dude a chance to get beyond this healthcare debacle and see where he goes from here. This really should not have been the first thing that was pushed out on everyone with the economy the way it was.

I put up with GW Bush for 8 years and I'm damn sure gonna give this guy a better chance at the job than 1 year. He's intelligent, which is a damn sight better than where we were. And contrary to what everyone wants to spout, words can change alot of things in this world. The best and worst movements have been led by inspired and powerful idealists and speakers. Had Martin Luther King not been the powerful speaker he was we might still very well have segregated schools.

I think the dude is young, and not as experienced as he could be, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

I just wish the moderate Republicans and the Moderate Democrats would get together and start a third party that speaks to those of us that apply a bit of logic to our decisions instead of going purely on faith or emotions.

[Ldub]

I just wish the moderate Republicans and the Moderate Democrats would get together and start a third party that speaks to those of us that apply a bit of logic to our decisions instead of going purely on faith, emotions, or pure self serving GREED.

That's what I would add to that last sentence...:upsetgray

Good points all...:yes:

[crotchrocket]

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[vt_maverick]

I agree, give Obama more time. In time I hope we'll all realize that whether a man is white or black, republican or democrat, poorly spoken or a gifted orator, if he doesn't have experience he will simply be a puppet of his advisors, pushing whatever button he's asked. That is not leadership, regardless of how nice you look on TV. Perhaps someday people in this country will apply the same selection criteria for their president that they apply for their mechanic, doctor, or baby sitter. It's certainly not all about experience, but it does help. Sadly the country didn't learn and apply this lesson in the last election, choosing instead to believe that the difference between good and bad leaders can be measured in public speaking ability (which is why he beat out Clinton and all the other Dems for nomination, then McCain for the presidency, and now is being defended as so much different and better than Bush).

We'll see where we go in the next 3 years, but IMO we can chalk up two pretty big mistakes so far:

1. Stimulus packages based on the same theory that people use for gambling - if you're not winning, you just need to keep pouring money into the table until everything comes up okay. It's embarassing that a President had to literally beg bank CEOs last month to start lending money again, after we lent them trillions to cover their irresponsible lending. So far these packages have had no perceivable effect other than to guarantee higher taxes for my daughter's generation.

2. Pushing a massive medical reform package during the worst recession since the Great Depression. Make no mistake, the push has nothing to do with the urgency of the issue or the reform bill's potential to unburden people without insurance. It's because all indications are that the Democrats will lose at least some of their majority in the mid-term elections, so the best chance for a fillibuster proof majority is right now.

Keep in mind that we won't really have 3 more years to evaluate either. The election is in Nov of 2012, which means he'll need to begin campaigning at least 12-18 months earlier (so say Aug of 2011). Given how much he loves campagining, even while on the job (anyone care to count the number of town hall meetings since last January?), I'd say even that estimate is conservative. So figure we can make a pretty good judgement by next summer, when he's about 2 1/2 years in. If that's not enough time, well, I guess we'll just have to re-elect him to see what he can do right? :rolleyes:

[nfpgasmask]

I just wish the moderate Republicans and the Moderate Democrats would get together and start a third party that speaks to those of us that apply a bit of logic to our decisions instead of going purely on faith or emotions.

This is more what I mean about one extreme or the other. It's like we have to pick between these two parties that have this die-cast set of ideals. And I just can't believe I'm the only American out there that is pro-gun rights and pro-choice at the same time. I'm always stuck when voting time comes because I hate sooooo much about the Dems and I hate sooooo much about the Repubs so I just have to choose a lesser of two evils. I have yet to see a serious candidate who has a logical and level headed mind set somewhere in between our current 2 party system.

I'm my opinion, the only good thing Bush did for me was let the assault weapons ban lapse. Otherwise, I think he was a corrupt fcukup that was only looking out for his own per$onal intere$t$.

Obama at least seems like he "cares" a little bit. Whether or not he is making the right moves with the economy, I don't know. Like many have said, it is probably two early to tell.

Bart

[CrnCnn]

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Yes, sir. Talk about smacking the hive.

[vt_maverick]

For those that have lamented greed's corruption of democracy in this thread:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html

A dark day indeed.

[Scott Harness]

Too early to say anything!!
Most things said here are not based on "facts"
If you're getting your info from TV...you're wrong! especially if you watch Faux News(proven again and again to be either wrong or flat out propaganda)
I watch for the laughs.Not kidding,I usually end up ROFL.
MONEY talks....Bull**** walks
Did you ever wonder how poor politicians leave office Multi-Millionaires everytime!!
Get your news from overseas news organizations.
You can read almost any paper of the world on-line.

Go back and read your history and take a second look!
8 years of (senile) Reagan, 4 years of (read my lips...no new taxes)Papa Bush,8 years of (Mission Accomplished):rollo2:Bush
20 years vs 1 year :confused: ps Welcome Back Hot Wasabi Junki

[vt_maverick]

8 years of (senile) Reagan, 4 years of (read my lips...no new taxes)Papa Bush,8 years of (Mission Accomplished):rollo2:Bush
20 years vs 1 year :confused:

The best kind of "facts." Calls names and forgets 8 years of history. :rolleyes:

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Only if you go by popularity. Doing whats right is not about wealth redistribution..

George Bush was not a bad president because he was unpopular..
He was unpopular because he was a bad president.


Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit..[/QUOTE]

There was never a surplus. That was a big lie by the democrats it was on paper based on 10 years of the economy conitinueing the way it was going but the dotcom crash did that and was caused by Clinton

Another falsehood.
This was money in the bank that Bush squandered fighting two wars that still are not over.Clinton did not cause the dot com crash, But had everything to do with the boom. He did not tax internet commerce and this made companies very rich very fast. As with most booms, the gravy stops flowing eventually and the strong survive and the weak die. Historically the american economy has always been stronger under democratic leadership.

.[/QUOTE]

Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming..[/QUOTE]

As opposed to Neopolitan in charge of security? A passenger stops another airplane being blown up and the system worked? No one was sure where exactly Katrina was going to hit, there was no way to stop a hurricane, Lousiana built and continues to build on the coast below sea level, and billions were given to Louisianna Democrats who wasted and stole the money and they still want more.

Another falsehood.
They have video of Bush and Brown 3 days before the storm being told that this could be a major catastrophe. Like 911, where he had brief that" Al Keda" was "determined to strike within the united states using highjacked airlines", Bush decided playing golf and dicking around on his ranch in texass was the best course of action.

P.[/QUOTE]
ut our country in the worst financial straights since the depression..[/QUOTE]

No that is Obama he has spent in one year what Bush spent in eight including the wars and only ran up the deficit remember the 700 Billion stimulous was written and passed by a democrat house and democrat senate and was veto proof. That is not Bush that is all Democrat waste

The stimulus began before Bush left office. It was a bailout to the banks that should have never happened. Much like if you have kids,you don't give candy to one unless you have enough for everybody.Those companies should have never been bailed out by either Bush or Obama unless they were prepared to offer equal bailouts to small business and laid-off workers.
.[/QUOTE]
Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor..[/QUOTE]
As opposed to giving them billions like BO?
Yeah!
Are you gonna side with with giving help to credit card companies more leverage to screw us? and big banks?
Bush began the bailouts but you seem to have forgotten that. Obama is wrong to continue that which Bush started as he is to keep fighting Bush's wars overseas.
.[/QUOTE]
Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time..[/QUOTE]
tens of thousands tortured where do you get this number? A few hundred terrorists that Obama wants to invite to the US and give tax payer funded attorneys to and cost NYC millions in secutrity

This is America. Look at your lapel pin...Is that an american flag on it?
Innocent till proven guilty. This *** deserves the right to a fair trial just as you would. The OJ trial cost millions, and he got off. This is our system, and it's the system that or forefathers fought for. Go spit on their graves if it does not work for you.
.[/QUOTE]

This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB..[/QUOTE]
Yeah like MLB and their bunch of steroid freaks are a good judge of anybody at least W had more experienced than BO an organizer of corrupt government funded organizations like Acorn
.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the owners of major league baseball take steroids? You know as much about baseball as you do about politics. They are 95% multimillionaire, old school Republicants. They own multinational companies and have more money than most of us will ever see. They rejected him purely on the basis that they felt he was unqualified to make policy decisions for baseball. It's like me being denied a driver's license, only to race in the indy 500 next week.

I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. .[/QUOTE]
A majority of Americans are against the Democrat Health Plan even the Democrats admit that yet they work behind the scenes to shove it down the peoples throat
.[/QUOTE]

He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .[/QUOTE]
The USA can not afford to give him any more time for on the job training he is totally a black Jimmy Carter. without a negro dialect unless he wants one.

Oh wait I am not a democrat so its racists for me to say that.
The USA gave Bush 8 years and he by the majority of opinions was one of the worst leaders in world history. I could not believe Obama picked him to help with the relief effort in Haiti. Those poor folks have suffered enough!

God I love when the board gets a good discussion going.[/QUOTE]
See...we do agree on something....

[Scott Harness]

The best kind of "facts." Calls names and forgets 8 years of history. :rolleyes:

8 years of (Sex Machine) Clinton...insert James Brown voice "Good God Almighty...Hey"
You didn't have time to go back read history...Did you?
Did you forget about those people spending millions and lots of time talking about nothing (stains,black dresses, cigars)
The biggest waste of time in modern history...except for invading Iraq:p
ps Clinton left biggest surplus in history(even if some figures were manipulated)
As I said in first post It's the MONEY and Republicans Know money and keep it.
I'm not for redistributing wealth...but what's wrong with helping out your fellow man:yesb: ps you can't poke me with a stick. I rarely get angry:p

[ZEUS]

I think 1 year is plenty of time to get a feel for a President. By this time when GWB was Prez, he started a war based on lies and personal agenda, effectively pulling on the heart strings of those naive enough to buy into it... if you didn't buy into it you were a labeled a Freedom Fries eating traitor. Of course, we put Hussein in power in the first place, what Prez was in charge at that time? Oh and we trained Bin Laden too... we're on a roll! Don't get me wrong, I love my country, I love the land, but I have little faith in the human bean and I think I have good reason. At least O's administration isn't labeling it's citizens traitors for disagreeing with them.

Otherwise, I like what Bart said about being pro-choice and pro-whatever at the same time. The black and white extremes of our flawed system gives us the opp for the great hypocrisy of saying with a straight face and passion, "I am pro-life AND pro-war." Really, I mean really? Belonging to those ridiculous labels only sells yourself short and makes you look retarded... and I know about looking retarded! :yesgray: BTW, have you noticed anything interesting about TV or radio programs biased toward R or D? Why is it all the R-geared shows are run by raging hotheads having heart attacks while the D-geared shows are always comedy-oriented entertainment?

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

BTW, have you noticed anything interesting about TV or radio programs biased toward R or D? Why is it all the R-geared shows are run by raging hotheads having heart attacks while the D-geared shows are always comedy-oriented entertainment?

So I put it to you my fellow americans.Would you rather laugh or have a heart attack?....I think it's because republicans are so stupid it's funny. Rush Limbaugh did not have a heart attack, you have to have a heart for that.

[nfpgasmask]

Exactly, it's such a joke I hardly pay attention anymore...unless I am watching The Colbert Report. :) :thumbup:

Bart

[Scott Harness]

Exactly, it's such a joke I hardly pay attention anymore...unless I am watching The Colbert Report. :) :thumbup:

Bart

HA! I think it was night before last on Colbert or The Daily Show.They had a black guy on there talking about "The Magic Negro Effect"
How people thought Obama was going to make everything perfect. FUNNY!!

[tom4bren]

I think it's because republicans are so stupid it's funny.

And people who put their blind faith in a charismatic black man with questionable job skills are ... ???

[nfpgasmask]

And people who put their blind faith in a charismatic black man with questionable job skills who came from one of the most corrupt state governments in the Union are... ???

There, Tom, I fixed it for you.

:D Bart

[tom4bren]

:thumbup:

[Stephen Biko]

Otherwise, I like what Bart said about being pro-choice and pro-whatever at the same time.

Except those things are precisely the hot-button topics that the parties use to disguise the fact that on 99% of everything else - the topics that matter in the day-to-day life of the majority of the population - the parties are identical. It's like the old Douglas Adams bit about voting for the wrong lizard...

[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship...]

"I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"

"What?"

"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"

"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."

Ford shrugged again.

"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."




BTW, have you noticed anything interesting about TV or radio programs biased toward R or D? Why is it all the R-geared shows are run by raging hotheads having heart attacks while the D-geared shows are always comedy-oriented entertainment?

Olberman seems like a raging hot-head to me. And while Colbert is out-right liberal, The Daily Show tries - sometimes at the expense of actually being funny - to be equal opportunity.

[nfpgasmask]

Except those things are precisely the hot-button topics that the parties use to disguise the fact that on 99% of everything else - the topics that matter in the day-to-day life of the majority of the population - the parties are identical.

I guess for a lot of it, yes, but then why do we have some parties trying to outlaw guns and some trying to outlaw stem cell research?

Really the only thing that effects the majority's day-to-day life are economical issues. Do we have jobs? Are gas and food prices going up? Can I afford a house? How much taxes do we pay?

Bart

[Marlin]

Wow, I have the solution. Lets get rid of electoral votes for presidential elections, and county lines for state elections, every candidate gets the same campaign money and equivalent time slots on tv. That would mean 100% popular vote only. That would completely eliminate the chances of a democrat whiny liberal hippy or a tight assed, close minded Republican ever winning again. Right now, if you live in Utah and you are liberal, your vote does not count. Same as a conservative in Vermont. Open it up to allow everyone's vote to be the same, and then you will see an election. Make the vote not by name, but rather by policy. You have to answer questions correctly about your selection, or else your vote is null and void. I like the Starship Troopers concept of earning citizenship. It should be something that is only given to those willing to accept the responsibility that comes with it.
Obama has done nothing, and even received a Nobel Prize for it, one he was nominated for before he even took office!!!!
Health care for all will never work, you can threaten to fine those who do not purchase health care insurance, but good luck with that, like suing an illegal immigrant when they wreck into you car. Let me know how that goes.
One thing I cannot figure out is how that idiot Pelosi gets reelected?!!!!!! I hope she enjoys her last term, but as mentioned before, she will be independently wealthy when she leaves office...good riddance.
I know it was a hodge podge rant, but there is not near enough time to talk about how screwed up the system is right now.

[Scott Harness]

Wow, I have the solution. Lets get rid of electoral votes for presidential elections, and county lines for state elections, every candidate gets the same campaign money and equivalent time slots on tv. That would mean 100% popular vote only. That would completely eliminate the chances of a democrat whiny liberal hippy or a tight assed, close minded Republican ever winning again. Right now, if you live in Utah and you are liberal, your vote does not count. Same as a conservative in Vermont. Open it up to allow everyone's vote to be the same, and then you will see an election. Make the vote not by name, but rather by policy. You have to answer questions correctly about your selection, or else your vote is null and void. I like the Starship Troopers concept of earning citizenship. It should be something that is only given to those willing to accept the responsibilitythat comes with it.
Obama has done nothing, and even received a Nobel Prize for it, one he was nominated for before he even took office!!!!
Health care for all will never work, you can threaten to fine those who do not purchase health care insurance, but good luck with that, like suing an illegal immigrant when they wreck into you car. Let me know how that goes.
One thing I cannot figure out is how that idiot Pelosi gets reelected?!!!!!! I hope she enjoys her last term, but as mentioned before, she will be independently wealthy when she leaves office...good riddance.
I know it was a hodge podge rant, but there is not near enough time to talk about how screwed up the system is right now.
X2!! no time and coffee is wearing off. Ha

[Stephen Biko]

I guess for a lot of it, yes, but then why do we have some parties trying to outlaw guns and some trying to outlaw stem cell research?

Because those are hot button topics that people easily get riled up about and provide excellent distraction from the humdrum but really important stuff.


Really the only thing that effects the majority's day-to-day life are economical issues. Do we have jobs? Are gas and food prices going up? Can I afford a house? How much taxes do we pay?

Yes precisely - its the economy and how massively over-manipulated it is due to lobbying. All those things you named fall out from the economic policies - or rather bazillions of exceptions and special-cases - that corps get in return for their dollars. Dollars that are pretty evenly split between both parties.

[Ldub]

Here's a little something for both sides to wrap your brain around...:naughty:...:slap:

http://www.rense.com/general89/pelos.htm

[Marlin]

Here's a little something for both sides to wrap your brain around...:naughty:...:slap:

http://www.rense.com/general89/pelos.htm

I wonder if it is crewed by military personnel, and if so, how many times have they joked about throwing her out the window?

[Ldub]

how many times have they joked about throwing her out the window?

One word...EVERY:yesgray:

[circmand]

Clinton Surplus Myth

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Oama Bin Laden came to power due to extreme wealth of his family and fighting Russia in Afghanistan. No link has ever been tracked to US. However he was offered to the USA when Clinton was President after he tried to blow up the WTC the 1st time and Clinton refused to arrest and try him. Anything after this time can be blamed solely on Bill Clinton

Democrats love for the minority.

It was the Republicans under Lincoln who freed the slaves the DEmocrats started the Civil War to stop them from being freed. They have deluded minorities for years by giving them crumbs from their table and blaming the people who freed them as responsable for their situation in life. (Feed a man a fish he eats for a day teach him how to fish he eats for a lifetime) The Democrat Socialist agenda is all about giving meals and keeping them from learning how to fish so they feel beholden to them and vote for them. The Stimulous mostly went to preserve govt. jobs, union jobs, teachers jobs all bastions of Democrat votes.

Bail outs to banks were wrong but most have paid back the money with interest excent Freddie and Fannie which received the most and have BOs blessing to continue the way that caused the issues. The fees BO is wanting do not stop the bad banking ideas they just require BO gets his share, he also plans on not requiring Freddie and Fannie to pay them.

BOs tax the rich and their medical plans policy has an exemption for union cadilac plans further payoff.

The cost of Health Care needs reformed BO plan has no cost containment just control and neith party has ever demonstrated the ability to control costs of a govt program. In addition if the plan is so good why did Reid need to put bribes totaling over a billion dollars to buy votes? Such as Nebraska bribe which even the good people of Nebraska opposed. Thereby requiring other states to pay more than their share?

BTW Republicans did have a Health Care reform plan that was even bipartisan but was ignored

And Bush continued to read a book for less than an hour to school children while he waited for more info to come in what was he supposed to do launch missiles. BO stayed on vacation in Hawaii for 2 days after his hand picked Neopolitan said having passengers defeat terrorists shows the BO plan works.

[Hiredgoon]

I'm an outsider here, and I'm not going to weigh in on his policies or successes and failures, but you have to admit that the fact that most non-Americans don't assume every single thing that the US is doing is automatically selfish, fear-driven, and opportunistic, for the first time in the better part of a decade, has to be worth something as far as political currency. Even if he's no better than most other guys doing the job (and isn't that a shock) the simple fact that he's the outward appearance of change is worth it's weight in gold.

In either case, to go back to the wisdom of Douglas Adams, "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

[circmand]

I'm an outsider here, and I'm not going to weigh in on his policies or successes and failures, but you have to admit that the fact that most non-Americans don't assume every single thing that the US is doing is automatically selfish, fear-driven, and opportunistic, for the first time in the better part of a decade, has to be worth something as far as political currency.."

Frankly until the rest of the world starts contributing their fair share of money, troops, UN costs etc I really couldn't give a Flying Fig about what they think, say, or do. The US should start heading to a reall self interest program and leave the rest of the world to do for them selves for a while so they can learn to appreciate what we do and not sit back watch us and then bitch that we didnt use our charity money the way they want us to.




In either case, to go back to the wisdom of Douglas Adams, "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

I agree too many of our presidents have been elected because they wanted the job not because they were capable of doing it. And they were from both parties.

I have no problem helping my fellow man. From Darfur to Haiti. However, when my govt decides to take my money and donate it to their favorite charity to promote their agenda that is when I have a problem. Or when the people I help start bitching that I do not give enough or that what I gave is not what they wanted that is the last dollar they get from me. I feel once I earned the money it should be my decision where it is spent. I will not say how you should spend your money dont presume to tell me how I should spend mine.

[Marlin]

Frankly until the rest of the world starts contributing their fair share of money, troops, UN costs etc I really couldn't give a Flying Fig about what they think, say, or do. The US should start heading to a reall self interest program and leave the rest of the world to do for them selves for a while so they can learn to appreciate what we do and not sit back watch us and then bitch that we didnt use our charity money the way they want us to.


It is weird that we are the most generous country in the world, yet our president has gone around apologizing and kissing the asses of other useless world leaders, take that political respect and shove it straight up their arse.

[Stephen Biko]

Here's a little something for both sides to wrap your brain around...:naughty:...:slap:

http://www.rense.com/general89/pelos.htm

Whenever I feel like posting a link to a story that is outrageous, I always do a little fact checking first because if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
Saves me from getting egg on my face.

In this case a simple google for "pelosi 757" will get you a little bit more background on that jet.

[Stephen Biko]

It is weird that we are the most generous country in the world, yet our president has gone around apologizing and kissing the asses of other useless world leaders, take that political respect and shove it straight up their arse.

Because strong-arming is really effective at getting cooperation. It isn't about 'kissing asss' or 'acting tough' its about manipulating other countries to act in our best interest. It costs us nothing to play nice with the other kids on the playground - but it can yield enormous dividends, like Russia's change with respect to Iran as one simple example.

[circmand]

Because strong-arming is really effective at getting cooperation. It isn't about 'kissing asss' or 'acting tough' its about manipulating other countries to act in our best interest. It costs us nothing to play nice with the other kids on the playground - but it can yield enormous dividends, like Russia's change with respect to Iran as one simple example.


Being nice hasnt gotten the USA anything but contempt from other countries and bowing and apologizing has gotten us nothing but contempt either. All your morally bankrupt countries run by dictators are like their leaders they only respect one thing strength. Despite hollywoods attempt at brainwashing the masses that gathering in a circle and singing Kum Bay Yah will solve everything and treating your kids like friends will raise great adults its untrue. Every country has been invaded the USA is the only one that gives the country back and taxes its citizens to rebuild the defeated country leaving them better off than they were when they started.

[Ldub]

Whenever I feel like posting a link to a story that is outrageous, I always do a little fact checking first because if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
Saves me from getting egg on my face.

In this case a simple google for "pelosi 757" will get you a little bit more background on that jet.

You are right, I shoulda - woulda - coulda...didn't...:confusedw my bad.:mbrasd:

Wiping egg off face, making some yummy face egg lunch...:drool2:

[JHarris1385]

Can someone just put sugar in HWJ's gas tank already.

Thanks

[Stephen Biko]

Being nice hasnt gotten the USA anything but contempt from other countries

I'm surprised you say that when I've already given an example where diplomacy has been successful. It is no isolated incident either - for example even France has strongly endorsed the new "surge" in afghanistan with NATO troop counts expected to reach at least 47,000.

I'm not saying diplomacy is 100% effective, but I'm confident it is a whole lot more effective than trying to boss everybody around. And, its not like we have to act tough to scare anyone - everybody knows we've got the biggest stick in the world and have used it more than enough times since the end of WWII. Why do you think Iran wants nukes in the first place? We showed them what we will do to a country that we don't like who doesn't have nukes.


Every country has been invaded the USA is the only one that gives the country back and taxes its citizens to rebuild the defeated country leaving them better off than they were when they started.

Perhaps you can name an example where beating on a country that was down, or just leaving it to rot, ended up as a net positive for the USA in the long run? Or at least a case where rebuilding ended up as a net loss?

The kind of treatment you seem to be advocating really backfired with respect to the Weimar Republic. Yet rebuilding paid huge dividends with Germany and Japan after WWII. Maybe I've just got a big blind spot, but I can't think of a single case where determined rebuilding of a defeated country was not a massive net benefit for the USA in the long run.

[Marlin]

I'm surprised you say that when I've already given an example where diplomacy has been successful. It is no isolated incident either - for example even France has strongly endorsed the new "surge" in afghanistan with NATO troop counts expected to reach at least 47,000.



Do you honestly believe that countries are being nice to Obama because of his apologetic demeanor? How would it look if a country was "mean" to the first black president? They would immediately be marked as racist, and no politician wants that on their head, regardless what country they are from. No, the world is acting nice, and just like children, as soon as we turn our back/let our guard down, they will do whatever they can to hurt us or each other either financially, politically or other. We are the teacher on the playground, and the teacher is NOT friends with her students.

[Y33TREKker]

Do you honestly believe that countries are being nice....
Then again, when you a-s-s-u-m-e the worst, that's generally what you end up with.

There's not much a person can do about past mistakes other than realize they were made, admit they were made, try to correct them, and move on. Doesn't it show more character, being able to do that, than it would to ignore them and expect others to do the same?

It's all a matter of perspective of course, but some may say that attempting to open or maintain a dialogue as equals, regardless of financial/political or other levels of power, is the true indicator of strength.

It also seems curious that some are of the opinion that Obama won the election just because he was/is a good public speaker. I mean, I personally do think that he is, although I was also of the opinion that at times during his campaign his speeches had almost started to sound like they were being delivered by a tele-evangelist. But regardless of his public speaking skills, it was what he was saying (and more to the point...doing) that had me leaning more in his direction. (And I should at this time say that Obama didn't eventually get my vote, in case anyone is starting to think I'm saying what I am to justify any decision I made after the fact).

What he did was actually put into practice what most people said they wanted a candidate to do; have the ability to focus on the issues while NOT falling prey to the tactic of making the campaign process a big mud-slinging contest...(similar to what's happening now with current opinion polls). That fact alone showed that the man had character, and that he could maintain a more mature level of discourse even when it may have been easier to simply fight fire with fire.

In my opinion, it's all still a matter of having realistic expectations. It seems that the majority of people wanted change, it's just turning out that the only change that will be considered acceptable is the type of change that doesn't require the people who wanted change...to change. :_thinking

:_beer:

[Stephen Biko]

Do you honestly believe that countries are being nice to Obama because of his apologetic demeanor? How would it look if a country was "mean" to the first black president? They would immediately be marked as racist, and no politician wants that on their head, regardless what country they are from.

I have no response for that. To believe that the leaders of multiple countries are simply unable to say "no" in a diplomatic fashion because they are afraid of appearing racist is not debatable. Either one believes it fervently, or one laughs at the face of it.


No, the world is acting nice, and just like children, as soon as we turn our back/let our guard down, they will do whatever they can to hurt us or each other either financially, politically or other.

Which is absolutely no different from the situation engendered by diplomacy through force. That's simply the nature of international relations.

[Scott Harness]

Maybe I've just got a big blind spot, but I can't think of a single case where determined rebuilding of a defeated country was not a massive net benefit for the USA in the long run.

When we rebuild countries,we usually,conveniently build huge air bases and occupy them for then on! We still have bases in Japan and Germany.
If you look at the middle east,we have it totally encircled by bases.
We have our hand firmly on the oil spigot!! If it comes push to shove:yesb:

[Marlin]

I have no response for that. To believe that the leaders of multiple countries are simply unable to say "no" in a diplomatic fashion because they are afraid of appearing racist is not debatable.

It happens everyday, look at Congress, they are asking Harry Reid to step down for comments made in 2008!!! that weren't even racist. World society has pitched this whole concept of P.C. that everyone is scared to say "boo" for fear of public destruction. So yes, I believe that other world leaders are afraid to say no to the "messiah" for fear of being incriminated as not supporting our nobel prize toting, promise breaking elected official.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

I think it is pure ignorance to pretend the United States does not belong to the planet Earth, and to the world community. Your back yard, your town, and your state is not the way the world is . People live all over the world, have different values, different morals and different color skin.
Having more countries respect us can't be a bad thing. We all drive Japanese cars, 50 years ago were frying Japan with atomic bombs. Now we are friendly with them and all of us love cruising our cool VX's. That would have never happened if we did not heal old wounds like Pearl Harbor and move on to trade with them.
Obama did not deserve the peace prize, the American people do for electing him. The world was happy not only happy to see a black man finally pierce the good old boy's club,but one that was not part of the same republican policy mill as Bush.
The United States is #1, "we do what we want" attitude was what got us in the wars we have been in. We are like a Mansion in the middle of a ghetto. Somebody was bound to throw a rock through our window. We consume more than we produce. We spend more than we have. We bitch more than we should.

[Stephen Biko]

So yes, I believe that other world leaders are afraid to say no to the "messiah" for fear of being incriminated as not supporting our nobel prize toting, promise breaking elected official.

So, let's say your theory of extreme global political correctness is true.

Why aren't all world leaders affected by it? Why hasn't it been consistent since day one of Obama's administration - Russia's acquiescence on Iran only came after negotiations and Israel has been actively hostile to many of his requests. Or how about Merkel's sharp criticisms of many of Obama's policy decisions?

What is so special about germany and israel that they are not afraid of being labeled racists? And why did it take negotiations for Russia to come around, after all isn't the damage done, aren't they now world-renowned racists forever to be shunned?

And why is Sarkozy so enthusiastic about the "surge" in Afghanistan but at the same time he's criticized Obama in other areas for being ill-prepared and "not always up to standard on decision-making and efficiency." How is he able to make such obviously non-PC remarks and yet at the same time has been cowed by political correctness into partnering on the war in Afghanistan? Its like he's afraid of political correctness and not afraid of it at exactly the same time.

Or maybe your theory really is nothing more than completely laughable.

[Marlin]

What is so special about germany and israel that they are not afraid of being labeled racists? And why did it take negotiations for Russia to come around, after all isn't the damage done, aren't they now world-renowned racists forever to be shunned?



Israel has the 3rd largest land army in the world, and one of the most highly trained units second only to us. We have kept them from committing genocide for decades. Israel is one country I do respect. All of their citizens serve in the military for a minimum time, they all have a vested interest in their own government. They pick their positions based on what they think is right. Germany has a very dark past they are still trying to overcome. As for Russia, they are nothing (well, they are gobbling up VXs;) ), not a big conspiracy theorist, but I would not be surprised if there was more to that story than we will ever hear.
You are probably right about my theory, but I see what happens in various news broadcasts(no not Fox news, believe it or not, I only watch CNN.com, someone says something not PC, and they are roasted at the spit. The Prime Minister (I think thats his title) of Italy, our own public servants, police officers and so on...even our Generals at the forefront of the "war" are condemned for non-PC comments. I have been on 3 different ships, female pregnancy is a HUGE deal, he made a fair rule. I have stood those extra watches while a woman got a straight shot home for shore duty, where she got to keep her bonuses and not do her deployment. "America" threw a tantrum. "America" has not been deployed, but they forced him to renege on his policy. So I am biased, that is true, but I am definitely not stupid, I realize there is no cut and dry answer or view, but as a society our values and priorities follow a sine wave pattern, we are currently at the peak of that liberal wave. I hope it soon swings back into the gray area of common sense and fairness. I immensely enjoy these threads, if nothing but for the representation of what our country has, the ability for us to speak our mind, but enjoy it while you can, there are those in power that would love to take it and everything you have earned away from you and to tell you what to think.

[alanbradley]

Wow! I cannot believe you started a "What do you think of President XXX?" thread on an US-based forum. From previous experience of these sorts of things half the members will think the other half are commie-sympathising liberals whilst the second half will be thinking the first half are a bunch of KKK-member rednecks. Then half of each group will leave the forum in disgust... :lol:

As a Yooropeen he seems to be doing okay. He certainly comes across better than either Bush or Clinton did (see me take the middle line here) and the fact he can string words into coherent and sometimes clever sentences certinly works in his favour.

He even smiles, which is more than our Prime Minister can manage most of the time.

http://www.fwdmarketing.co.uk/blog/http://www.fwdmarketing.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/gordon_brown.jpg

:D

Alan

[circmand]

So here are responses those who posted errors should pick up what I am refering to:

The USA has only been around for 200+ years. That is nothing in terms of history. Beleive it or not wars were around even before then. Really but as opposed to our win, rebuild and regret previously it was win take over and rule as you like. Every country that has a single human in it has been taken over in a war and the current rules are descended from the winners not the original population

The USA was never respected by insane despots however we were once respected by allies which is becoming a thing of the past.

It is funny we supposedly have respect from other countries only since BO took over who is using Bush's stratedgy in Iraq which he critisized as wrong and voted agaibst paying our soldiers to try and stop it. In addition he won the joke nobel partially due to his promise to close Gitmo in 3 months and a year later he is trying to move it here where citizens do not want it.

BO administration has spent more in one year than Bush did in eight and has only got him paid up with his union and othe democrat supporters while unemployment is on its way to tripling. The brief improvement in November and December was a result of hiring temporary workers for Xmas which is something that has always happened. His claim of jobs retained and created were shown to contain obvious errors by non existant areas and lack of the transparency he promised.

I could go on but the people who actually follow the truth already know what I am saying and the rest refuse to read or listen anything that contradicts their world view.