TreadWrights

[JHarris1385]

Not sure if I have heard anyone on here using them or not. Within a week of reading about them on the Planet, I convinced my Land Rover buddy to buy some (245/75-16). He got them in yesterday and they look awesome. The Planet has nothing but good things to say about them. Some swear by them. You can't beat $85 each for a nice mud tire.

This is going to be my next tire. Just not sure if I am going to put them on the 16's or 18's?.

Did I miss anyone on here running them or have?

[Marlin]

I saw a set first hand on a rubicon LJ. They looked nice, and he aired themdown to 18lbs, no problems as of yet.

[JHarris1385]

A link to what I was referring to would be nice. http://www.treadwright.com/shopnow/product/tabid/61/productid/62/sename/26575r16-guard-dog-mt-d.aspx

[Grif]

I had never heard of them. Thanks for the heads up Jharris. That just may be the way to go for me, they are certainly affordable and its hard to find a bad review on the internets.

[Bob Barker]

That is a real nice looking tire, and it's really a great price too! If I ever get any new rims I will go probably order a set of these. Has anyone on Planet talked about how many miles they are getting out of them?

[JHarris1385]

50k or so. My friends 245/75-16 looked real good. They were treaded on a Wrangler MTR. I have never read one negative thing about them. Makes alot of sense, cheaper and recycles.

[RamAirZ]

Ya they are awesome tires, a buddy of mine was running their mud terrain style tire for a long time. I plan on getting a set down the road.

[ZEUS]

The retreads I was interested in years and years ago were known as "Hi-Tec Retreads" and the company was in Nebraska or South Dakota... but I think Nebraska. Anyway, they used "Green Diamonds" in their rubber for extra winter time grip which is why I was so interested.

I did a search for them just now and found this article (http://www.treadwright.com/Research/In-the-News/ctl/ArticleView/mid/402/articleId/3/Hi-Tec-I-mean-Treadwright-Inc-Revisited-Article-written-by-MBJPER-Staff.aspx). It seems Hi-Tec became Treadwright and gave up on the Green Diamond technology which perhaps went this way: article (http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/Green-Diamond-Icelander-MT.htm)

Not near as cheap as they once were: Prices (http://www.greendiamondtire.com/productswest2.html)

[JHarris1385]

Those prices almost seem fake.

[JHarris1385]

Even though it is not a VX here are a couple of pics of his LR. It made a huge difference.

[Bob Barker]

I tried to order a set of these tonight and they are at 0 stock for the 285/75R16 size in the Guard Dog M/T D style tire...

But they do have them in 285/75R16 with the Kedge Grip (broken/recycled glass in the rubber) for mo' moniez each...

The shipping is what's killing me! An extra $140 to get them to me! It's almost worth driving to them for pickup.

[JHarris1385]

But aren't you getting them at just a few over a $100 bucks each?

[Bob Barker]

Yeah, with the Kedge grip they are like $117ish, then $140 to ship... It's dirt cheap for some damn nice mud tires, but I'm extra cheap and that shipping charge is killing me!

[Grif]

I'm not totally sold on the kedge grip thing.

First off, read thier documents, they admit kedge will shorten the life of the tire somewhat as one of the primary functions of the kedge material (glass and walnut shells) are meant to slowly slough off creating tiny pockets in the rubber which improve grip.

I can only see this happening when street driving, and will prolly only affect traction during street driving too. So its primary effect on traction is only usefull when it degrades, and then only on street turf.

So in a M/T tire, I see kedge grip as a detriment.

In a tire used primarily on the street/highway I can see kedge as positive for traction, but decreases the life of the tire.

[JHarris1385]

I do not agree with the above. I believe their description fully illustrates why it present. It would not make sense to create an additional line of tires with a compound that did not work. The previous company used "green crystals." In general these are off road tires. However if you do have questions google the company and read all of the amazing stories.

[Bob Barker]

I just want to buy the tires without the kedge grip 'cause they are cheaper and will last longer! I'm not a hardcore off roader and will likely only see mud when I visit other cities/locals so longevity, cost and looks are key to me!

[RamAirZ]

Maybe pep boys will have those buy 3 get one free again and you could get mine :)

[Marlin]

Maybe pep boys will have those buy 3 get one free again and you could get mine :)

I just bought 4 Dakota ATs for the wifes trooper, 420 bucks out the door, buy 3 get 1 free until the 12th. Its a 40K mile tire. The mudders are 120 bucks more total.

[RamAirZ]

So you went with those tires? What size did you get? My 285/75's were like $700 and change with the road hazard etc then got $150 back in the mail so ended up being like $550-$600 for all 4 mounted and balanced plus mounting/balancing my full size spare that I brought. They have the 40K mile treadlife warranty too

[JHarris1385]

My 265/75-16 AT's not MT's Dakotas were more than that! I did the 4 for 3 deal too the extra protection is where they make up for it.

[RamAirZ]

How much were yours?

[Marlin]

Lets get this straight, I have three sets of wheels and tires for the Zus, I run the Kevlars on the VX, 1400 plus mount and balance just for the four tires, I have 4 265/70/16 Dakota ATs on 16" factory VX wheels as street tires for the wife that I just bought at Pepboys for 425ish mounted and balanced. I also have a set of 33" treadwright mudders to go on her pretty red factory trooper wheels (only came on the red RS's) for trail tires that were 550 ish shipped. No road hazard warranty for me, except on the Kevlars. I have a 90% tread 275/65 General AT2 on the door of the VX for spare, and a new 265/70/16 Cooper Discovery HT for her spare. I should be good to go for rubber for like 5 yrs. I need new tires on the F250, gonna wait until the Moab trip.

[RamAirZ]

The pepboys buy 3 get one free requires road hazard so it should be on there for those. I know it was required when I got mine. I've got 4 285/75-16 mudders on the truck and my spare is a 255/85 mudder, so basically 4 33x11.50's and a 33x10.50 as the spare. I paid $25 for the spare and it was pretty much brand new lol

[Marlin]

The pepboys buy 3 get one free requires road hazard so it should be on there for those. I know it was required when I got mine. I've got 4 285/75-16 mudders on the truck and my spare is a 255/85 mudder, so basically 4 33x11.50's and a 33x10.50 as the spare. I paid $25 for the spare and it was pretty much brand new lol

Nope, I did not have to buy the scam hazard warranty.

[RamAirZ]

That's odd. It's not on their site anymore but when they had it up it was in the "fine print" that it was required, you got a good deal. I'm still happy with my $600 (little less) for all 4 new tires plus my 5th tire mounted and balanced, and if I cut a tire, they will replace it now with the road hazard ;)

[JHarris1385]

Yup you bypassed the "required" road hazard warranty. It was there 5 years ago and is still there today. It does not make logical business sense for them not to include it. Wonder how you got away with it.

[Marlin]

Yippee!!! And I got a military discount on top of that. Throw in the club points, and its even sweeter!!

Could be cause I know everyone that works there? I think this is like the 6th or 7th set of tires I have had mounted there.

[RamAirZ]

That could be it lol. I miss my old tire place

[JHarris1385]

Shoot if I got all of those discounts and incentives, my family would be getting tires for under the tree for Christmas.

[Grif]

Just got my Treadwrights on. 285-75-16 Guard Dog M/T. $539.84 shipped.

[vt_maverick]

Nice pics Grif! Are you lifted? Those rims and tires really fill up the wheel wells. :thumbup:

[Grif]

Nice pics Grif! Are you lifted? Those rims and tires really fill up the wheel wells. :thumbup:

Thx Mav. Three inch OME lift. And yeah they fill up quite a bit, in fact I'm gonna need a bit of cladding trim and a BFH. Kind of odd that the Yokohama Geolander M/T of the same size didn't require any, but then again these tires actually have tread on them. hehe

[Marlin]

Had some time to run around on the treadwrights. I would not DD these tires, the rubber seems oftly soft, and damn do they howl on the pavement!! But as trail tires, I will find out how they do aired down next weekend and post up results. Bottom line, I would not use these as a replacement for a quality AT or HT, but for a mudder trail tire, I doubt you can beat the price.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/IMGP1611.JPG

[Grif]

Compared to my prior tires these are rock hard and whisper quiet. The Yokohama Geolander M/T's i had just ROARED on the road in comparison.

[JHarris1385]

The ones on my friends Discovery were not bad at all and rock hard.

[Bob Barker]

So for anyone who has owned both tires, which is best? The Treadwright Guard Dogs or the Dakota M/T's?

[Marlin]

I would say it depends on your goals. The treadwrights have a short mileage life expectancy, but are cheap. Mine are the Backbone tread pattern, basically the same as the BFG MT.

[Bob Barker]

and off road capabilities? If they are pretty close then I will probably opt for the longer life over the price difference.

[Marlin]

and off road capabilities? If they are pretty close then I will probably opt for the longer life over the price difference.

Since most of their tread patterns on name brand clones, they should perform similarly.

I bought my set for trail tires, so if I tear one up, no worries. I run Dakota ATs for the street tires.

On the VX, I run the Kevlars all the time...:)

[Grif]

This is the BFG M/T:

http://www.hummerproducts.com/BFG-MT-KM-Web.jpg

This is the Treadwright Guard Dog:

http://www.treadwright.com/Portals/0/aspdnsf/images/Product/medium/74.jpg

This is the Treadwright Backbone:

http://www.treadwright.com/portals/0/aspdnsf/images/product/medium/54_1_.jpg

The Backbone has larger spaces between the lugs compared to the other two and less aggressive sides. Both of the treadwrights seem to me to be based on the BFG M/T, but the Guard Dogs have a tighter lug pattern and look to be deeper as well.

Perhaps the Backbone does have softer rubber, i do not know. I do know that the Backbones are only offered in load range D, where the Guard Dogs are offered in both D and E ranges.

[Grif]

Ok a quick image search indicates the Guard Dogs are based on the original Goodyear Wrangler MT/R more closely than the BFG M/T.

Again, Treadwright Guard Dog:

http://www.treadwright.com/Portals/0/aspdnsf/images/Product/medium/74.jpg


And here is the original GY Wrangler MT/R :

http://www.wilhelm-tech.com/jeep/images/JeepParts/gy_wrangler_mtr.jpg

[Marlin]

Nice work. The treadwright site says the Backbones were designed specifically for offroad application, no mention about them being street friendly as well:) That would be another problem with retreads, they are basically one offs (well, 4 ofs) each time your order them. So a particular batch of compound maybe a bit different than another. I will post up some feedback after the Uwharrie trip. We will air em down to 15lbs for 3 days of wheeling, which in the VX is close to 1.5 tanks of usually. That should be enough mileage to get a feeling of how they are going to break in.

[JHarris1385]

This makes more sense...guard dog to backbone. My friend has the Guards on them, and they are rock solid tread. With the gap in the backbone lugs I bet it would be louder.

There multiple people saying they get 50-60K out of the Guards.

[JHarris1385]

Grif what size did you end up getting?

We just re mounted my friend's TreadWright GuardDogs today and it really makes me want them. His were 245/75-16.

Once again to reconfirm, very tough rubber on his and NOT loud.

[Grif]

Grif what size did you end up getting?
Once again to reconfirm, very tough rubber on his and NOT loud.

Mine are 285/75/16 Guard Dogs.

Yes they are very, very tough tires. Tread is deep. They whine some at speed but not what I would call loud. They are HEAVY tho. That much high density rubber would have to be.

I like them and for the price they cant be beat. They seem to sit "taller" than my Yokohama Geolander M/T tires did and seem to have much stiffer/straighter sidewalls. As a result I've lost a bit of the perceived offset compared to the Yokos. Thinking about adding wheel spacers to get some of that back, not sure yet.

If your looking for a tough tire with assertive tread at a great price, they are hard to ignore.