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dbp

08/21/2010, 12:16 AM

So I don't have a VehiCROSS YET, but hopefully this all changes this weekend. My first change will be a lift (likely 913 springs... just like the look better, and appreciate what's been said about them being stiffer) and wheels/tires.

I've been leaning towards 33" tires, but I love the way Ldub's 35's look... yet that also seems ridiculous. I'm okay with hammering, cutting, etc. But I also want this to be fully functional. This is a 6th vehicle for me; it's only purpose will be getting me to and from trails (primarily obscure hiking/backpacking trails that my current vehicles just won't go), but also since I have it, it will also be used for just pure driving fun; I look forward to going over rocks, etc on very serious "trails", as well as mud, etc. I will never commute in the VehiCROSS (except to show it off to co-workers). So assume the only time I'm on paved roads is to get to obscure places.

From what I've read here, 33's seem very reasonable with some cutting of the cladding and hammering. Okay, cool. No problem. Is there really much of a difference between that at 34's? Any reason to NOT go to 34s? Of course I'm worried about things like CV joint wear, and just that much unsprung weight... Wheels will be 17x8 with 0 offset. The tires I'm getting will be the Goodyear MT/R with Kevlar, in either 285/70/17 (33"), or 305/70/17 (34.1"). Obviously with the 305 it could just rub more because it's wider. Is that worth worrying about? The 34" tires are 64 pounds, vs 58lbs of the 33s. Is that different enough to be concerned? Both are way more than stock already. Are 34s less likely to fit under the wheel well under full compression on serious trails? I want to be able to use what travel is available without worry! I understand it won't stop/go as quickly, etc, but I'm more concerned about wear on the various parts of the driveline, and also modification needed to make them fit. I've read people saying watching the guys with 35" tires is stressful, as in, it looks like the parts are so stressed and ready to break. I don't want that... I want reliability.

Hmm... BFG MT T/A KM2 comes in a 255/80R17, 33.3" size at a mere 49 pounds... an interesting option??? Not as aggressive, though...

I appreciate all your comments, and look forward to sharing my future experiences with you all!

David

RamAirZ

08/21/2010, 12:33 AM

I think the main reason alot of guys don't run 34's is the sizes in certain rim choices. Like for me, I have a 16" rim and there aren't a whole lot of 34" tire choices out there, yes there are some but not alot. I have 33's on mine with 912's and I LOVE it, it rides great, handles good still (great after the urethane sway bar bushings) and great offroad. I know Marlin has 34's on his rig (I'm sure he'll chime in when he see's this) and he's running the Goodyears too. Here's a post from him about the tires:

Update on the kevlars. Performance was awesome on the trail, zero problems.
I pressure washed the truck today, noticed the tires looked funny. In order for white lettering, they paint the outside white, then put black over that, and shave off the outer part on the lettering, voila, white letters. Well, my black layer is coming off, so I will end up with a whole white wall. Boo!!! So I called Goodyear, they told me to take it in. I finally found an actual Goodyear store. They are ordering me four brand new ones, no charge. They said it will be a few months. Woo Hoo! I am driving around on free rubber!! I used 1/32" in 1000 miles. Not bad. The guy at the shop was not friendly at all, and kept trying to get out of it. He was like "its gonna be months, do you still wanna do it?" The longer it takes the better, as far as I am concerned.
SO I guess I just have to keep them covered in mud;)
He commented that there were rub marks and some nicks in the sidewall, so it might not be covered. I asked him to take a look at his own site, that is what the tire was built for, hence the 1" thick sidewall. LOL, what a tool.

I just got my new Kevlars installed. The manager proceeded to lecture me on the use of my tires,saying it was obvious that the sidewalls had contacted rocks and other sharp surfaces...duh!!! I told him, "no ****, thats what those tires and my truck were made for". He was not amused, he seemed disappointed that Goodyear offered to replace my tires for free, I didn't pay a single dime. They did not wear well either, 1/8" off of the front an 1/16" off the rear in less than 2K miles. I also managed to tear off a few of the outer lugs. They handle awesome, and are very quiet, and are killer in mud and on rocks. But based on wear and cosmetic issues, i would not buy these again. The new tires are slightly different, so hopefully Goodyear fixed their QA problems on the cosmetic black coating and the softness of the rubber. I will post up in a few months if they do the same thing as my first set.
On the RS I am putting some Swamper TSL Bias Ply tires. Those things are indestructible and much cheaper than the Kevlars. I could buy 5 for less than I bought 4 Kevlars.

In all honesty, I think you'll be happy with either size. Chris (Marlin) was running 33's before the 34's and alot of guys are running 32's as well. I love the way my VX sits and rides. Whenever I need new tires I'll probably end up with 34x12.50 TrXus MT's or some 34" TSL's (either the 9.50 narrow's or the 10.50 LTB's). By then I'll probably have a new daily anyways. You should look into a diff drop to help with your CV angles to make your shafts last longer, do a balljoint flip and possibly a spacer depending on how high you crank the t-bars, and you should be fine. I myself really like the look of my 285's (33x11.50) on the VX, not too wide, not too skinny. Just remember, the wider you go, the more trimming/hammering you'll have to do especially with a 0 offset.

Ldub

08/21/2010, 01:51 AM

One inch...:yesgray:

RamAirZ

08/21/2010, 07:27 AM

^ haha

ZEUS

08/21/2010, 10:32 AM

Riff Raff

08/21/2010, 12:46 PM

IMO, if you get the 33"s you will want the 34"s eventually.

LOL, how true. ZEUS is correct in that you'll always wish you had gone bigger after your initial tire purchase. Thus, the magical 35" O.D. tires are easily within reach of the VX.

DBP (David)--- When it comes to wheels/tires, the VX is limited only to what can fit and most importantly "turn" within the FRONT wheel-wells (the rear wheel-wells have gobs of extra space). Basically; if it will fit on the front, then it will easily fit on the rear. I'd like you to consider this wheel & tire size set-up for your future VX, and here's why:

WHEELS: 2000/2001 OEM 18x7 Stock VX Rims.
Why: The OEM rims have the proper offset/backspacing to absolutely minimize front wheel-well rubbing (plus they look damn good). Many tires that won't fit with aftermarket wheels, will easily fit with the OEM 18x7 rims. In the VX world, using the OEM 18x7 Stock Rim is the "true secret" to mounting larger tires with minimal rubbing issues within the tightly cramped front wheel-wells.

TIRE SIZE: LT285/75R18 (11.5 x 35)
Why: The 285 series width is the widest tire that will still fit on a narrow 7" wide rim (i.e. OEM 18x7 rim). The 285/75R18 is the skinniest 35" O.D. tire made which is DOT approved (there is the extremely skinny 35x10-15LT "Baja Pro" dune-buggy tire by Mickey-Thompson, but it is not DOT approved for street use).

BTW, the Mickey-Thompson, "Baja Pro" (dune-buggy tire), 35x10-15LT (35" O.D./40 lbs) although not DOT approved would make an excellent full-size spare compatible in O.D. to the 285/75R18 and is super-lightweight as it only weighs 40 frickin' pounds (the Mickey-Thompson website shows this specific tire is now "discontinued"; however, it is still available from multiple tire suppliers on the internet).

There are only four(4) tires made in the world in the rare 285/75R18 size, they are:

A. Toyo, Open Country - A/T, LT285/75R18 (35" O.D./66 lbs).
Why Unique: It is the only true "A/T" tire made in this size.

B. Toyo, Open Country - M/T, LT285/75R18 (35" O.D./70 lbs).
Why Unique: It is the only true "M/T" tire made in this size WITHOUT pre-pinned stud capability.

C. Maxxis, MT-762 "Bighorn", LT285/75R18 (35" O.D./70 lbs).
Why Unique: It is the only true "M/T" tire made in this size WITH pre-pinned stud capability.

D. Good/Year, Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar, LT285/75R18 (35" O.D./65 lbs).
Why Unique: It is the only true "asymmetrical" multi-role tire made in this size.

By using both the OEM 18x7 Stock VX rims in conjunction with the LT285/75R18 size tire will enable you to obtain a 35" O.D. tire with very minimal rubbing issues within the very tightly cramped front wheel-wells of the VX. Sure; you will have to lift, trim, and BFH a little, but this set-up combination will provide the least amount of installation headaches possible. To my knowledge, no VX owner has ever done this wheel/tire set-up on a VX (you would be the first).

A quick word about VX "lifting"-- get the wheels/tires mounted and test-fitted on the VX first, and then lift the VX afterward only as necessary to provide proper clearance for the chosen wheel/tire set-up. This method of VX lifting will help minimize future CV related issues by not lifting too-far in advance as required for a given wheel/tire set-up. Your lifting gauge will be clearance within the front wheel-wells. When they finally fit on the front axle; stop lifting, because they will most likely already fit on the rear axle.

:bgwb:

Marlin

08/21/2010, 03:30 PM

*sigh*, here we go again. Alright, update on the Kevlars. Whatever they changed, it seems to be much better. The rubber is much harder than the original formula. I have no problems as of yet and no signs of wear in 500 miles. (as compared to the 1/8" in <1k miles with first set) I think that is why goodyear agreed to replace mine, they knew they had a problem.

The kevlars really are indestructible. They also look SWEEEET!!!! The asymmetrical tread pattern is where its at! But they are pricey, and if you are just going to randomly play in the mud and half heartedly drive on gravel roads, save some bucks and get the BFGs or traditional MTRs. I ended up not getting the TSLs for the wifeys RS, I got some 33" treadwrights instead. I couldn't pass up 4 brand new mud tires for 500 bucks shipped.

I would say do what you can to get a 34" tire. The goodyear site says the 275/70/18 is 33.4", by tape measure in the driveway at 50psi is a hair over 34", so go figure. I have no rub as far as turning in the front, but I had to cut and hammer a bit for both 32s and then some more for the 34s. Rear rub only on full flex and going down hill. Just minor plastic rub.

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/IMGP1131.JPG

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa234/nfntruth/Isuzu/IMGP0821.jpg

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http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa234/nfntruth/Bumper%20project/IMGP1430.jpg
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/IMGP1476.JPG

Jay Dunford

08/21/2010, 05:08 PM

D. Good/Year, Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar, LT285/75R18 (35" O.D./65 lbs).
Why Unique: It is the only true "directional" multi-role tire made in this size.

Actually they are NOT directional, they do have an asymetrical tread. They are supposed to be mounted with the same side "out" on each side of the vehicle. This allows you to rotate the tires using an x-pattern rotation which helps a bunch on cupping type wear on MT tires. 15K on mine and about 3/4 tread left and very even wear across the tire.

dbp

08/21/2010, 06:02 PM

By using both the OEM 18x7 Stock VX rims in conjunction with the LT285/75R18 size tire will enable you to obtain a 35" O.D. tire with very minimal rubbing issues within the very tightly cramped front wheel-wells of the VX.

:bgwb:

Hmmm... you know Riff Raff, that's a fairly brilliant idea, I must say. I am flying to Idaho to likely pickup a 1999 Ebony tomorrow, but it does have stock 18" wheels on it (no worry; I know the story why... will post if I pick it up). I definitely wanted black wheels, though... ideally wanted matte black with a polished rim. I previously had thought to powder coat the stock wheels black before I had the aftermarket approach, so perhaps I could go back to that plan. 35" with minimal rubbing sounds VERY appealing, and the fact that it comes in the tire I wanted anyway makes this even more likely. I know a powder coater locally who I thought could do a set of 16s for around $300... hopefully similar for the 18's. I wonder if he could leave the lip untouched? Or grind it and polish it... That'd be sweet... I'll have to give them a call on Monday and perhaps get that ball rolling. Sounds like a sweet idea. BTW, there is a VehiCROSS on autotrader with black powder coated 18" wheels, and they look pretty sweet:

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/5/18/279/861/16044444599.279861446.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg

I'll have to mull this over, but I'm strongly considering that approach. Are the stock 18's fairly light? I still worry about the weight... but 65 pounds for the tires isn't TOO bad compared to most 35"... Thanks for the suggestion!

David

Marlin

08/21/2010, 06:13 PM

Actually they are NOT directional, they do have an asymetrical tread. They are supposed to be mounted with the same side "out" on each side of the vehicle. This allows you to rotate the tires using an x-pattern rotation which helps a bunch on cupping type wear on MT tires. 15K on mine and about 3/4 tread left and very even wear across the tire.

The goodyear regional rep here told me I could mount them either way, the goodyear dealer refused to mount them any way other than "this side outboard". Why you make a white letter MT I ahve no idea. But in the size I have, its the only option.

I am glad to hear about your good wear. I think my new ones will wear similarly, the tread is still shiny, as compared to my first set went dull in a few weeks. QA problems solved I hope. Since I only put 3-4K miles a year on the VX, hopefully these tires last me the life of the truck:luck:

Riff Raff

08/21/2010, 07:38 PM

:bgwb:

Riff Raff

08/21/2010, 07:44 PM

Are the stock 18's fairly light? I still worry about the weight... but 65 pounds for the tires isn't TOO bad compared to most 35"... Thanks for the suggestion!

David

DBP (David)--- It's my sincere pleasure to help you with any VX wheel/tire questions. Powder-coating wheels is an "art" by itself, and experienced powder-coaters can do literally anything custom and is only limited by your imagination (and $$$ of course). The OEM 18x7 Stock Rim weighs 28 lbs, which is comparible to many aftermarket rims.

A quick word about individual tire weight-- the VX-OEM tire of 245/60R18 weighs only 34 lbs each, so putting on heavy 65+ lbs aftermarket tires is quite an increase in unsprung weight. MPG, launch, and braking distance will suffer dramatically. The tire industry recommends no more than 10 lbs over OEM tire weight-- or in the case of the VX, a tire of no more than a maximum of 44 lbs each to maintain proper safety standards (especially braking distance). Obviously, when selecting massive aftermarket tires the 10-pound safety margin cannot be maintained.

When using heavy aftermarket tires, it's best to increase your following distance from the car in front of you to allow for the increased braking distance required to stop the VX in an emergency panic stop. You will soon discover that having an increased safety cushion of space around your VX will help prevent you from causing a possible rear-end collision and allow you to take evasive action into avoiding a possible accident, especially in today's grid-lock freeway situations which offer little advance warning to brake.

Please keep us posted as your VX plans progress. Welcome to our close-knit family here on VX.Info and to the addiction. Your life is about to change forever after you aquire your VX.

:bgwb:

dbp

08/21/2010, 08:07 PM

Riff Raff,

I've read many of your posts on wheels/tires as I've been searching about it over the last few weeks. I appreciate your approach. I am aware of the issue with unsprung weight and stopping distances, etc. I have a '70 Chevelle that's a 12 second car in the quarter mile and has drums all around. :-D Speaking of a vehicle that's underbraked... so I'll definitely know to be careful here. Though my usual street vehicles are things that have awesome brakes as I track my cars and motorcycles often, so I will certainly have to get used to it again.

Thanks for telling me the stock wheels weight, too! I've been searching for that for 15 minutes! Sheesh... My biggest worry is all these people talking about busting front axles and stuff like that. So with these 35s, I'll have 93pounds of wheel/tire weight. Man that's a lot... I don't plan on jacking the thing up TOO high, just enough to clear everything, so hopefully the CV's won't suffer too much. I think my current concern in all of this is the weight... I've seen posts of other people saying things like, "Looks cool with those 35s, but let me know when your front axl snaps!" Does that really happen? Yet tons of people wear 33s, which are usually around 60 pounds. Is 5 more pounds really anything to worry about? Thanks,

David

PS, oh yeah, I see you're in Tacoma. Perhaps one of these days we'll have to get together and find some fun places to go! What size tires are you running?

RamAirZ

08/21/2010, 09:29 PM

Glad to see your new set is doing good Chris! I figured you'd get in here sooner or later, but FYI, you have ALOT more trimming than most of us up front lol. Just joshing with ya. And dbp, when are you going to do a disc swap on that Chevelle, it isn't that expensive and if you plan to keep drag racing it you will end up REALLY wanting them at some point lol.

Riff Raff

08/21/2010, 09:49 PM

I see you're in Tacoma. Perhaps one of these days we'll have to get together and find some fun places to go! What size tires are you running?

DBP (David)--- Happy to help, and glad to know you're quite wise with a variety of automotive issues and experienced in racing. Sometimes I don't know what level of expertise a new inquirer might have, so I often try to write in very simple terms to communicate effectively-- I meant no offense on my part, and I know you didn't take it in a negative way.

You can count on us meeting someday, and I will make it a personal mission with anxious anticipation. I am in touch with fellow member ROWHARD (Olympia, WA) on a daily basis, so we already have a little PNW grouping. There are quite a few members from the Oregon area as well, and member DON MOORE is one of our most active. If he see's this posting, I'm sure he'll chime in with some sarcastic comment (in true D.M. form).

My VX is 100% Stock "non-lifted" (no TB cranks, with OEM-RS) and I'm running the famous General - Grabber AT2 in P275/65R18 (32" O.D./44 lbs) mounted on the OEM 18x7 Stock Rims. They are absolutely bolt-on perfect due to the OEM rims without any further modifications; although the fitting is extremely tight, and just had to trim a little tiny triangle corner of front inner cladding (very common).

With a little bit more trimming of cladding and a couple of whacks with a BFH, a 100% Stock "non-lifted" VX can still handle a 275/70R18 (33" O.D.) without any lifting and remain at the stock height (no TB cranks, with OEM-RS). It will be extremely tight, but the 275/70R18 (33" O.D.) will still fit without any lifting (only creative trimming & BFH required). I had once considered the BFG - Rugged Trail in P275/70R18 (33" O.D./46 lbs) due to its extreme lightweight, but instead chose the much more aggressive Grabber AT2 for its incredible specifications in every tire catagory while still being lightweight.

Any tire "OVER" the height of 33" O.D., will require some sort of VX "lifting". Perhaps only front TB cranks; depending upon tire/wheel set-up, and then perhaps the addition of taller RS for even taller tires. You'll just have to play with it as you go.

If you decide to go with the OEM 18x7 Stock Rims with LT285/75R18 (35" O.D.); please take copious notes and pictures during the installation, as you will clearly set the new benchmark/standard for the rest who may be considering membership in the exclusive VX 35" O.D. Club (which there are very few current members). I predict success on your part, and would imagine your lead will be emulated many times in the future by other VX members following in your footsteps.

:bgwb:

VX KAT

08/22/2010, 01:00 AM

My VX is 100% Stock "non-lifted" (no TB cranks, with OEM-RS) and I'm running the famous General - Grabber AT2 in P275/65R18 (32" O.D./44 lbs) mounted on the OEM 18x7 Stock Rims. They are absolutely bolt-on perfect due to the OEM rims without any further modifications; although the fitting is extremely tight, and just had to trim a little tiny triangle corner of front inner cladding (very common).

Just to be clear for dbp, that's the front outer corner of the cladding that you trimmed (and is a triangle shape), correct? Or if not, what part of the "inner cladding" are you referring to? I just pressure washed my wheel wells today so I was just looking quite closely at the cladding, liner etc, and am not sure which part you are referring to. Is it this piece?
http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/PictureVX_KODAK_MOMENTS_664.jpg

Riff Raff

08/22/2010, 04:19 AM

Yup, that's the exact piece and location of the cladding trimmed triangle. I used the term "inner" (aka inner-side) as in the "interior" of the forward portion of the front fenderwells. Basically, where the front portion of the front tires swing "inward" towards the engine. BTW, nice picture and thanx for sharing!!!:bgwb:

dbp

08/22/2010, 09:22 PM

Alright, after my brief loss of sanity, I think I'm back to the opinion I had before I even posted this message, that 33" tires are the "correct" size for the VehiCROSS. I appreciate you getting me thinking Riff Raff, and I agree if someone was to go 35" that the stock wheels are the way to go. However, the more I studied pictures, I realized (as I originally had), that the 33" tires just fill the wheel well properly. Especially with 913 springs... the arc of the wheel well exactly matches that of the tire. With 35" tires it's like sticking a circle in an oval... or like drawing a circle on an egg. I don't think this looks balanced at all:

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/medium/32vx_snow2.jpg
BFG 35x12.5x18

In other photos I've seen of the 35" tires, the ones I've liked, it's always at a slightly off angle; front or rear 3/4 view. From this angle you lose the perspective of the circle on an egg, as there is also perspective to the tire, making it also look like an oval; An oval in an oval doesn't look bad; a circle in an oval does (as the photo straight on above shows). Perhaps that's why people photograph them that way? The view balls on from the side shows it nicely... 33's the way to go, for me... now just to decide if I want to stick with my original idea of the 17x8 wheels with 0 offset. I do think I like the slightly wider stance, and many people are running this setup.

MARLIN, I greatly appreciate all your input on the Goodyear's. Glad to hear your updated set is performing better. It was disheartening when the first review of the tires I saw on tirerack was yours dissing them. Hopefully if they continue to perform you'll update that review. Thanks,

David

RamAirZ

08/22/2010, 09:46 PM

33's with 912's:

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/RamAirZ/1999%20Isuzu%20Vehicross/IMG_4442.jpg

ZEUS

08/22/2010, 09:56 PM

33's with 912's:

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/RamAirZ/1999%20Isuzu%20Vehicross/IMG_4442.jpgHey I thought you moved your CB antenna...? ;)

RamAirZ

08/22/2010, 09:59 PM

lol shut up!

VX KAT

08/22/2010, 10:13 PM

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/medium/32vx_snow2.jpg
BFG 35x12.5x18

:hj:....WOAH!!! Who's Dragon is that with the Borbets??? Another set of Borbets! WOW! The url says it's from someone's gallery but I don't know who....???

dbp

08/22/2010, 10:15 PM

:hj:....WOAH!!! Who's Dragon is that with the Borbets??? Another set of Borbets! WOW! The url says it's from someone's gallery but I don't know who....???

BaM*BaM (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/32)... he hasn't posted in years.

RamAirZ

08/22/2010, 10:16 PM

That would be BaM*BaM

http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/32

RamAirZ

08/22/2010, 10:16 PM

Beat me to it dbp

VX KAT

08/23/2010, 12:31 AM

hmmmmm, wonder where those Borbets are now???

No, stop it...:_brickwal....must not spend more money on wheels....:_brickwal

RamAirZ

08/23/2010, 12:33 AM

haha you know you want to!

tom4bren

08/23/2010, 11:59 AM

One inch...:yesgray:

BWAAHAAHAA!!!

Yer killin me here:thumbup:

samneil2000

08/23/2010, 12:45 PM

33's with 912's:

Me too! And these are the best looking 33 inch MTs, the BFG KM2s. :p

RickOKC

08/23/2010, 01:02 PM

BTW, there is a VehiCROSS on autotrader with black powder coated 18" wheels, and they look pretty sweet:
I agree that the factory wheels with black powder coat would look good! I recently had the same done to the stock 17" wheels on my other car. I dropped off the car and picked it up later so they also removed the wheels, balanced and put them back on. The total cost was $400 which included fixing some curb rash.

Just wanted to point out to other members who are shopping: I've seen that VX and that is not powder coat! The owner sprayed the wheels and cladding with flat black bar-b-que grille paint from a rattle can. (No extra charge for the over-spray on the tires and paint!) It looked "fuzzy" and sloppy and immediately began chipping off from the chrome. Three months later, it's even worse with dark spots from fingers where people have touched the cladding and thin places where the bird poo has been cleaned off. Too bad - if it wasn't for that paint, I might have bought it.

RickOKC

08/23/2010, 01:04 PM

hmmmmm, wonder where those Borbets are now???

No, stop it...:_brickwal....must not spend more money on wheels....:_brickwal
Would forum members get a discount to visit the VX Kat VX Wheel Museum? :p

VX KAT

08/23/2010, 02:12 PM

Would forum members get a discount to visit the VX Kat VX Wheel Museum? :p

what?......I only have the OEMs...can't start a museum with only one set??? But if someone was to donate some Borbets to me, I'd be happy to open a museum if that's all it took!....and forum members would get free entrance!

RamAirZ

08/23/2010, 02:28 PM

I think she should have a rack museum

Marlin

08/23/2010, 03:30 PM

I think she should have a rack museum

Maybe not a full blown museum, maybe just a rack display or showcase?

RamAirZ

08/23/2010, 03:39 PM

lol there ya go

RickOKC

08/23/2010, 04:56 PM

what?......I only have the OEMs...can't start a museum with only one set???
DOH! That's right - the 4Runner wheels are for your other truck. Me dumb. :laughing:

vt_maverick

08/23/2010, 06:35 PM

:hj:....WOAH!!! Who's Dragon is that with the Borbets??? Another set of Borbets! WOW! The url says it's from someone's gallery but I don't know who....???

BaM*BaM... he hasn't posted in years.

Funny, I was looking at BamBam's gallery just today. I can appreciate the design aesthetic points that dbp makes, but I still think those tires with that lift and those beautiful (;)) wheels looks great. I believe Y33TREKker attempted to make contact with him a few months ago when I was trying to unload a few spare Borbet rims. No response as far as I know. Apparently the guy has two very nice VX's, but hasn't posted anything since 2004. But as we all know the addiction forever lurks just under the surface - his last activity was only a month ago. ;)

VX KAT

08/23/2010, 07:32 PM

I think she should have a rack museum

Maybe not a full blown museum, maybe just a rack display or showcase?

Now youz guy are corrupting the new guy dbp...whaddya think he must be thinkin' now? We've jacked his thread all to h@!!, now you're talkin' racks and museums and racks on display! Sheesh! :rollo: At least let him get his feet wet first, no wait....let him actually GET a VX first! Then ya can start messin' with him! Sounds like he's really been reading up on the forum, so he's probably already come upon our long running joke/prank....:eek:....I sure hope so, otherwise he's probably thinkin' we're really whacked!! Um, umm, well, umm, we are, but that's annudder story!

Sorry David! Better get used to us!
:hj:

.....now back to you're regularly scheduled programming!

I too LOVE the Borbets and LOVE the total look and proportion of BamBam's VX, it looks great! Same bull bar and roof rack as me.....hummmm, all I need are some Borbets...and a lift and I'd have that look....oh well, no can do....so I'll just drool over this one, mav's, TREK's and isn't there one more I'm fergettin? :thumbup:

vt_maverick

08/23/2010, 07:39 PM

I too LOVE the Borbets and LOVE the total look and proportion of BamBam's VX, it looks great! Same bull bar and roof rack as me.....hummmm, all I need are some Borbets...and a lift and I'd have that look....oh well, no can do....so I'll just drool over this one, mav's, TREK's and isn't there one more I'm fergettin? :thumbup:

Cyrk has them in chrome, and there's also the other guy I PM'd you about the other day. Don't suppose you caught up with him did you?

ZEUS

08/23/2010, 11:20 PM

Now youz guy are corrupting the new guy dbp...whaddya think he must be thinkin' now? We've jacked his thread all to h@!!, now your talkin' racks and museums and racks on display! Sheesh! :rollo: At least let him get his feet wet first, no wait....let him actually GET a VX first! Then ya can start messin' with him! Sounds like he's really been reading up on the forum, so he's probably already come upon our long running joke/prank....:eek:....I sure hope so, otherwise he's probably thinkin' we're really whacked!! Um, umm, well, umm, we are, but that's annudder story!

Sorry David! Better get used to us!
:hj:

.....now back to you're regularly scheduled programming!Well... um... can't they both be right? I mean if he knows of "the running jopke/prank" he would have to know "we're really whacked"!!!
Why am I so drunk on a Monday night... oh crap I left my... uh.... nevermind.... uh... good night.

VX KAT

08/24/2010, 12:21 AM

Well... um... can't they both be right? I mean if he knows of "the running jopke/prank" he would have to know "we're really whacked"!!!
Why am I so drunk on a Monday night... oh crap I left my... uh.... nevermind.... uh... good night.

Good Night Justin!