Ferrari FF, More Muscular VX???

[blacksambo]

Have you guys seen this new Ferrari FF http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/ferrari-ff-an-all-wheel-drive-shooting-brake/. It sure seems like the Vehicross idea done with more muscle. Perhaps someone should point this out to our friend at the Wall Street Journal? Comments please.

[Ldub]

Looks more like a stretched out Cheetah to me...:_thinking

http://www.65cheetahccc.com/links/photo-home.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/01/21/automobiles/wheels-Ferrari-FF/wheels-Ferrari-FF-blog480.jpg

I'd rather have the Cheetah...:yesgray:

[blacksambo]

Check it out on www.ferrariworld.com. Right down to the torque on demand this new Ferrari FF is a 20 years later copy of the VX. (Of course it's more powerful and luxurious, but essentially the same automotive design concept.) It's the best form of flattery for the VX...imitation.

[Marlin]

I am confused, how is that anything like the VX? My first feeling was a Dodge Magnum mated with a Mazda Protege 5, a little bit of gym time and some steroids...
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/wesperkins/mazda.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/adamcurley/dodge-magnum.gif

[Bob Barker]

^ Best Dodge photograph ever!

[blacksambo]

It's the first all-terrain two door Ferrari for starters and it's rear wheel drive , with 50/50 weight distribution, just like the VX. Then it boasts TOD, and a front mid-engine location design. You need to watch their videos and then go to Youtube and look at the old VX ads/videos. (You know, Isuzu never originally advertised the VX as a rock climber, that's a purpose that that the folks on this board have created for it. It was originally billed as an "all-terrain world tourer", and accordingly entered in the Paris-Dakar rally etc.)

[JoFotoz]

I'd say it looks like a modern version of this....


http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/A_what.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21105)



........but who else knows what "this" is :cool:

jo

[blacksambo]

We're not really talking just physical lookswise here... we're talking about design and purpose -built technology together in a package. The VX was the first all terrain great handling touring vehicle that looked slick and not toaster-like , which is what all the other SUV's of the that period in time looked kinda like. The Ferrari FF mimicks that same basic concept, except other all terrain touring vehicles today since arrived that look okay, but not quite up to the Ferrari's standards and the technological guts do the same as the VX but only "squared" performance- wise. History has basically repeated itself.

[blacksambo]

Oh, isn't that a Lancia?

[Grif]

I'd say it looks like a modern version of this....

........but who else knows what "this" is :cool:



Might that be a Reliant Scimitar G.T.E.?

Had to look it up. Srry.

[Riff Raff]

^ Best Dodge photograph ever!

Odd, I don't see a Dodge anywhere in that photograph.:_thinking

The Ferrari looks more like a clone-copy of the 1st generation BMW M-Coupe. As far as All-Terrain goes, it is only gonna' see two(2) types of terrain-- Asphalt & Concrete!!!

:bgwb:

[Marlin]

As far as All-Terrain goes, it is only gonna' see two(2) types of terrain-- Asphalt & Concrete!!!

:bgwb:

And some fancy garage epoxy flooring.
I don't know if it is really all terrain, how much ground clearance does it have? Would you say the stock evo or STI is AT because they are AWD? I am thinkin that if I was going to spend 150K plus on a car, it better look badass, and that car, although cool, does not look 150K worth of badass.

[blacksambo]

It costs a lot more than that!

[JoFotoz]

Reliant Scimitar GTE it is!...

...and very similar to the Lancia HPE too.

Both are cars my old man had back in the UK..
........he had a good eye IMO!

jo

[ZEUS]

I want some of what you are smoking, sambo. As an opine, you are waaaaay off the mark and reaching for a similarity that does not exist in the slightest. This is not an all-terrain vehicle just because it can drift on snowy/icy roads. This car, to me, is basically a California hatchback with AWD. They should have called it the Colorado... oh wait, taken. OOH! How bout the Ferrari Fargo! :D

I do like the looks of it tho and it would no doubt be fun to drive!

[blacksambo]

Granted it can't climb rocks (no ground clearence), but everything else you need to win Paris-Dakar is in place. And that' s what Isuzu wanted way back when????

[JoFotoz]

Yup...I agree.


I want some of what you are smoking, sambo. As an opine, you are waaaaay off the mark and reaching for a similarity that does not exist in the slightest. This is not an all-terrain vehicle just because it can drift on snowy/icy roads. This car, to me, is basically a California hatchback with AWD. They should have called it the Colorado... oh wait, taken. OOH! How bout the Ferrari Fargo! :D

I do like the looks of it tho and it would no doubt be fun to drive!

And it makes the Porche Panamera look even uglier..
...as if that was possible!

Now if ya wanna buy one, lift it....and do the Paris Dakar...
...I'll watch!

jo

[blacksambo]

I don't think I will have to. I think Ferrari Factory is headed straight to Dakar.

[vt_maverick]

I think there's a big difference between chasing the same goal and copy-catting someone else's design. I agree that Ferrari and Isuzu had many of the same capability goals in mind when they sat down in their respective design rooms and that some of the design solutions they developed are alike, but that's really where the similarities end. The FF represents a car manufacturer's solution to the problem, whereas the VX represents a truck and SUV manufacturer's solution to the same problem.

Correlation does not imply causation - just because the FF and VX designs contain similar technologies does not mean that one is a copy, imitation, or mimic of the other.

[blacksambo]

Correction. At the time the VX was on the drawing boards, Isuzu was a major "car" manufacturer. In fact, the Isuzu Belgian office was soley focused on "car design work. Also, Simon Cox the VX's lead designer had just come from Lotus "cars". If Mack Truck had designed the VX I'd agree with you, but the VX was designed as a car first and later dropped on a two door Trooper frame. Notice the VX prototype had wheels pushed to the corners just cars today like the Ford Edge, and now the Ferrari FF. This may be hard to swallow but the VX is more car than truck and that's why it was called a Vehi....Cross, or cross between a car and a SUV.

[circmand]

I'd say it looks like a modern version of this....


http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/data/500/A_what.jpg (http://www.vehicross.info/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21105)



........but who else knows what "this" is :cool:

jo

Jensen Interceptor

[JoFotoz]

:snooz:.....&.....:thumbdn:


Jensen Interceptor


...see posts 10 & 14 .

:_beer:

jo

[circmand]

:snooz:.....&.....:thumbdn:




...see posts 10 & 14 .

:_beer:

jo

I posted too quick. But really

[Vendetta]

Words I'd never thought I'd utter in this life: "Damn, that's an ugly Ferrari."

[Dies a little inside.]

[Chopper]

yer trippin
yup....they both have 4 wheels.
It ends there
Holy Mackeral:o

[circmand]

It's the first all-terrain two door Ferrari for starters and it's rear wheel drive , with 50/50 weight distribution, just like the VX. Then it boasts TOD, and a front mid-engine location design. You need to watch their videos and then go to Youtube and look at the old VX ads/videos. (You know, Isuzu never originally advertised the VX as a rock climber, that's a purpose that that the folks on this board have created for it. It was originally billed as an "all-terrain world tourer", and accordingly entered in the Paris-Dakar rally etc.)

2 inch ground clearance that thing would get stuck on a shadow