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Osteomata
12/20/2011, 12:52 PM
So I got to thinking the other day: Here I am with my Suzuki recently sold, my wife's Audi on the market, occasional flirtations with selling the VX, and having been the primary advertiser for selling my son's car. And I said to myself, "Self, isn't there a limit to the number of cars I can sell as a private citizen before the State decides that tax tag and title fees are not enough of a financial burden, and that they want an even bigger coerced piece of my pie?" "Indeed there is" replied the internet:

Florida law states that any person, firm partnership, or corporation that buys, sells, offers for sale, displays for sale or deals in three or more motor vehicles in any 12-month period is presumed to be a motor vehicle dealer and must have an appropriate license issued by the State. (http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/dealer.html)

So if I read that right: If I sell my wife's car, I am in violation of the law. For being involved in the sale of three vehicles in a 12 month period without holding an independent dealers license. Am I reading that right? OK, so maybe my son's car will not count, but if I sell both of my existing cars, which are in my name as was the Suzuki, it appears I'm in violation. Surely this can't be. Surely many families have been in the situation where they sold three cars in one year. What am I missing here?

Moving on: What if I wanted to buy and sell several cars a year, let's say more than three, as a hobby or simply because I wanted access to the dealers auctions. Let's say I am willing to jump through a couple of hoops and pay a necessary blackmail fee to the state in order to satisfy the rent-seeking big brick and morter franchises who have enlisted the government's help in limiting competition. What would that take? Again, by Florida law it appears that to even have a single car up for sale at a time, advertised solely on the internet, I have to have legal ownership or proof of lease for a 10'x10' office space, a lot, public parking (all of these must be inspected in person by the regional compliance examinor), $25,000 bond, liability insurance, a certificate of completion from a certified dealers school, fingerprints, $300 fees, and possibly continueing education requirements. To sell three cars a year.

Again, am I reading this right? Recognizing that much of this is aimed at actual franchises, are there legal work arounds to some of these impediments to commerce?

rsteinmetz70112
12/20/2011, 01:12 PM
It's interesting that the word "presumed" is used. That implies that the presumption can somehow be overcome.

Buffy
12/20/2011, 02:01 PM
They have that same law here in NC. I went to the DMV to inquire about getting a wholesalers license and was advise by the DPS trooper that if I sole more than (I think) 7 vehicles then it was a class III FELANY! And when he asked me the question he cautioned me on how I answered it. MOst people get around the law by putting vehicles in family members names. Getting a wholesaler license here in NC is rediculous at the conditions that must be met.

Osteomata
12/20/2011, 03:18 PM
Buffy FL has several different categories of dealer, and wholesaler is one of them, though it is rather restricted in use and not suited to my intentions. But yes, i suspect the rules are quite onerous in many of our states.

VXjunky
12/20/2011, 04:14 PM
think we're allowed 6 sales in a year in California

Buffy
12/20/2011, 04:56 PM
In NC there is retail and wholesale. You have to have like 100 square ft of office space that is not connected to another business, meaning its own external door ways, zoned commercial, and have operation hours between 8 and 5 for inspection. If you miss being inspected like 3 times then you can lose your license. So renting a room from someone is out. Then you have to have a million dollar insurance policy. Pretty much shot my ideas down. :upsetgray