Is 76k too many miles to buy a VX with?

[Pleco]

Hi everyone. I've wanted a VX since I saw one in '99, and now I have the opportunity to (Wife is out of the picture..well, almost!). I tried to get MetalMan of HI to sell me his proton, but he isn't interested in letting me ship to the states, SO, I've found a proton with 76k miles in fairly good shape other than the upper clearcoat peeling. Does anyone think I should wait until a lower mile specimen arises? Thank you in advance!

Kurt

[H3_VX]

Hi everyone. I've wanted a VX since I saw one in '99, and now I have the opportunity to (Wife is out of the picture..well, almost!). I tried to get MetalMan of HI to sell me his proton, but he isn't interested in letting me ship to the states, SO, I've found a proton with 76k miles in fairly good shape other than the upper clearcoat peeling. Does anyone think I should wait until a lower mile specimen arises? Thank you in advance!

Kurt

76k miles is not that high. Majority of people would actually consider that low miles and I am part of that majority. Just look at VXKat's checklist of what to be on the lookout for on a new VX purchase. Plus, post up other questions. Many people on here are very helpful.

[Triathlete]

There is probably only a handfull of VX's with really low miles still out there and the chances of them going up for sale may be slim. I have over 145k on the odometer, lot's have over 100k and deermagnet is closing in on 250k.
Probably the number one thing is to see if the one you are looking at has oil burning issues...if so, stay on top of the oil.

[H3_VX]

There is probably only a handfull of VX's with really low miles still out there and the chances of them going up for sale may be slim. I have over 145k on the odometer, lot's have over 100k and deermagnet is closing in on 250k.
Probably the number one thing is to see if the one you are looking at has oil burning issues...if so, stay on top of the oil.

x2!

Hell, when I started looking at VX'es two years ago I came across one 3 hours from me with only 36k on the clock, but it was badly taken care of. Low mileage does not always mean great product. It depends on who owned it before you.

[JoFotoz]

Yup..a badly maintained 40-60K VX will give you more :_brickwal..
....than a well maintained 90k ..IMO!

If you go through the standard car buying checklist...
..plus the VX oddities/issues , that should serve you well.
(VXKats checklist will help...it highlights the "issues")

JBTW...really nice (almost immaculate) 2001 Ironman
for sale near me with 90K miles....approx $9000 or close.

Good hunting!

jo

[blacksambo]

It's not the mileage but the maintenance. Check the records, first.

[89Vette]

I've found a proton with 76k miles in fairly good shape other than the upper clearcoat peeling. Does anyone think I should wait until a lower mile specimen arises?

You are absolute 100% BONKERS if you think HI has enough LOWER mileage units running around that you might actually find and get one!

Wow...WTF are you waiting for?

[Gussie2000]

After owning this VX i learn that :

1- Low mileage doesn't traduce to great and good running vehicule.
2- A low mileage car with a low amount of care would traduce in future head aches if not addressed.
3- The mileage on a car just says how much it was driven,not how well it was driven.

[eternal21]

I had 76k on mine went I bought it 25k ago :)

[VX KAT]

Here's the questionnaire:

A while back some of us put together a pretty detailed checklist to help buyers and sellers check important details. We also included some "VX specific" issues that have arisen over the 13 years. It doesn't cover everything, and don't be intimidated by how long it is.

Just pick and choose whatever you want from this list....it's just a tool to get you started!

Good luck!

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DETAILED VX QUESTIONNAIRE /CHECKLIST FOR BUYERS OR SELLERS

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ENGINE:


Is it the original engine?

Does it start easily/readily?

Does it run smoothly or is there any strange sounds or hesitation,choking, etc ?

Does it seem to idle smoothly, or is there any irratic racing on the tach, or other irregular idle, etc ?

Anything (noises/clinking/whinning etc...) noticed when it's under load?

Timing belt changed?

Evaluate engine bay- clean? dirty? Any evidence of leaking fluids of any type??
Evaluate fluid levels.

Evaluate air filter- excessively dirty? OEM or after-market?

Any known issues with it?

Any oil consumption noted, under ANY conditions?.....dripping, blowing smoke from exhaust or just consuming it
(some seem to consume some when on prolonged highway driving)

What type of fluids (synthetic oil or regular, motor oil, diff, tranny, transf case)?



TRANSMISSION:


Is it the original tranny?

Does it shift smoothly between all gears? Both up and down?

Any unusual noises or clunking when shifting?

Is there a slight delay before the gear engages when shifting? (lash)

Any known issues with it?



MISC PERTAINING TO ENGINE & TRANNY:


Any fluids dripping, ever?

Last time & what fluids have been changed?

Any unusual /excessive vibrations in engine or tranny, etc... - very subjective of course

Any problems with motor mounts?

Any unusual flashing of any lights on dash or shifter? (Mode selection switch may be bad)



TOD / 4-WHEEL DRIVE SYSTEM:


Any problems with the TOD (Torque On Demand) system?

Any clunking in tranny when decelerating or accelerating?

BRAND, MODEL AND SIZE OF ALL 4 TIRES

Do all 4 tires match in brand, size, model & wear?

How long have these current 4 tires been on?

Estimate of how much tread remains?




SUSPENSION / BODY / UNDERCARRIAGE / ETC:


Are they still running the original OEM shocks? If not, replaced with what?

Has muffler ever been replaced? What's the status of the current muffler? Rusted, surface rust, etc? OEM, after-market? (Since, as I understand it, these mufflers are no longer available, so an aftermarket one with some modification to the pipes may be required.)

Has it had to go through emissions testing recently? (Some states require for registration, some don't)

Ever been lifted or had torsion bars cranked?

Condition of CV joints and CV boots? (Can be damaged after being lifted)

Battery- status, condition and age

Inspect thoroughly for rust!! Any evidence of rusted bolts anywhere?

Status of front bumper reinforcement bar? (Often rusts off completely)

Status of rear license plate light/socket/bracket -(often severely rusts) -will give indication if it was in a rust belt area.




WINDOWS:


Electric windows work properly or bind?

Condition of window rubber track/gaskets...(many have ripped or been cut)

Look behind door panels to see if vapor barrier is present - (may indicate previous work on windows)

Window regulator /motor been replaced?




BRAKING SYSTEM:


Any ABS issues, dash light illuminated, or other problems?

Original OEM brake pads or replacements?



INTERIOR:


Condition of leather seats...scrapes, rips, tears, wear, abrasion, driver's side seat bolster

Condition of leather steering wheel - (often heavily scraped up)

Condition of inside door opening levers & mechanism (sometimes broken)

Condition of levers that bring seat back forward to allow access to rear seats (often broken)

Condition of 4 screw knobs on interior rear door panel (often break off)

OEM CD player still work correctly or ERR3 code? Any jammed CDs?

Any odors inside, such as smoke or dank/damp?



EXTERIOR:


PAINT: Condition, scratches, dents, oxidation, matching panels, etc...

CLADDING: Evaluate/describe condition of all cladding - scrapes, holes, deformation, dryness, chalky appearance, any evidence of being "painted" or "treated" in any way? Includes Rhino-liner, Line-X, GatorBack, etc...

Are all cladding screws present? Any striped?

Ever taken off road?

OEM or after-market tail pipe?

Status of tail pipe - any deformation may indicate off road use

Status of rear lower cladding & rear gas tank skid plate- scrapes may indicate off road use

Status of undercarriage overall - scrapes, damage, etc... may indicate off road use

Does it have an OEM roof rack?

Are the 4 OEM rail caps in place and/or available?




REPAIRS / SERVICE HISTORY:


Any service history records?

Any known repairs?

Any extra parts on hand?



MISC:


For 2000 and 2001 model, OEM chrome wheels peeling on backside?

Determine the history of the car's physical location, if possible (i.e. East Coast, potential rust, desert, etc)

Any "mods" done not mentioned above?

How long have you owned it?


revised 3/5/12

[tom4bren]

Pleco,

76K is actually low mileage for a vehicle this old. If you like the Proton you found & it's a decent price - go for it. I doubt you'll find one with lower mileage ... & if you do, it'll prolly be very expensive.

Also, remember that you don't have to keep your search local. Members here are more than happy to check one out for you if you find one far away. I bought mine in MO and had it shipped to Northern VA.

Tom

[vt_maverick]

Hell, when I started looking at VX'es two years ago I came across one 3 hours from me with only 36k on the clock, but it was badly taken care of. Low mileage does not always mean great product. It depends on who owned it before you.

So true. If you're comparing a 36K vehicle that was stored outside all its life in the rust belt to a 76K vehicle that was garage kept in Arizona you'd be much better off to buy the higher mileage vehicle. It's all about condition and maintenance as the other folks have said in this thread. You'll likely have to wait months to years to find an extremely low mileage VX (<40K miles) in the color you want. Why wait if you can find a good condition higher mileage example for less now?

[evillecutter]

milage smilage drive it and see if you like it (warning you might fall in love) protons are the shizzle

[Pleco]

Wow, thanks for the wonderful response from each of you guys- You are so kind to give your opinions.. I appreciate it greatly!! :)

I am closing in on this Proton that I mentioned. I'm a little put off by the peeling clearcoat, but maybe it will be an easy respray. I really wish MetalMan1980 would consider selling me his- it looks to be in impeccable condition and lower miles, but who knows with pictures alone, right? Thank u guys again. Will keep u posted on my adventure. Best Regards,

Kurt


Btw, Anyone near Miami possibly to take a peek? Thanks

[tom4bren]

Btw, Anyone near Miami possibly to take a peek? Thanks

Go back to the home page and on the left side is a search tool. On the drop down, select Members, click advanced, click Go.

Next screen type in Miami in the city. Click on Search Now.

There will be 2 pages of members in Miami. Scroll through and find a few of those with the most recent activity & send them a PM.

So easy even a caveman can do it.:)

[VX KAT]

So easy even a caveman can do it.:)

hmmmm.....you do look kinda like that caveman...all fuzzy and stuff....

back on topic....you might contact "Osteomata" in Miami. He JUST sold his low mileage Proton last week....but he's a rally nice guy and probably would take a look for you. His name is Jack.

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/photokat4/PARTS/DSC_2798.jpg

[vt_maverick]

Caption: Whose got a beard and looks like a caveman? THIS GUY!!!

[tom4bren]

Don't make me go all 'uni-brow' upside yer sorry butts!!!

[Dumke]

Agreed with everyone else even tho I am late to the response party. I drove 4 hours to pick up mine that had 69k miles on it. Now 6 years (this August) and 175k miles, 4 Moabs later engine still good no issues. Course I am a little "harder" on my truck than most :D ..

Miles mean nothing.

[newthings]

Hi Sue,
Your Photoshopped VX makes you look like a Munchkin.
Roy

[Pleco]

Go back to the home page and on the left side is a search tool. On the drop down, select Members, click advanced, click Go.

Next screen type in Miami in the city. Click on Search Now.

There will be 2 pages of members in Miami. Scroll through and find a few of those with the most recent activity & send them a PM.

So easy even a caveman can do it.:)

Thanks Tom! Haha- that's a compliment to me!

[Pleco]

Thanks Sue- I'll look 'em up :)

Thanks to u too, Dumke

[VX KAT]

Hi Sue,
Your Photoshopped VX makes you look like a Munchkin.
Roy

oh that's not photochopped...those are my new 44" rubber! Didn't you read my thread on that? :thumbup:

[RickOKC]

It's not the mileage but the maintenance. Check the records, first.
^^^ My favorite advice here.

I was adamant about getting a VX with less than 75k miles. But... I bought one with 120,000 miles on the clock because it came with a thick folder full of maintenance records and it was in such good shape I was convinced it had been "well loved" and cared for in the past. :)

Best of luck in finding something that gives you a good vibe!

[Scott Larson]

OMG, Sue, your eyes are brown, aren't they??

[bssage]

I know I am late to the party. But What are you all talking about. Of course that is way too many miles. TOO MANY MILES!

In fact I think its an insult. You should pm the seller's name address and ph# so I can all call them up and give them a piece of my mind.

[DrewsiferxXx]

(warning you might fall in love)


yeah, I fell for my customers foxfire... these things are so frelling cool in person.