HD DVD format dead?

[don moore]

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[snowtrooper1966]

Hey, Don, that link did not work for me. PM me if you feel this is off topic?
James

[JAFO]

Warner Backs Blu-ray, Tilting DVD Battle
Published: January 5, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/te...sc.html?em&ex=

A friend of mine says Sony owns Time-Warner and is protecting their investment. I'm not sure that's 100% correct but Sony may have a stake in T.W.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

I hate to say it, but I knew that hd-dvd was gonna lose the war. How did I know? One, Microsoft backed hd-dvd and Apple backed Blu-Ray. Any technology Microsoft backs is usually a dog, unless they steal it from Apple.
Two,Blu-ray has more capacity,so why adopt a disc player with a small capacity disc when you can adopt a player with a larger capacity disc. Size matters!

[nfpgasmask]

I hate to say it, but I knew that hd-dvd was gonna lose the war. How did I know? One, Microsoft backed hd-dvd and Apple backed Blu-Ray. Any technology Microsoft backs is usually a dog, unless they steal it from Apple.
Two,Blu-ray has more capacity,so why adopt a disc player with a small capacity disc when you can adopt a player with a larger capacity disc. Size matters!

I'd agree on the size thing, but completely disagree on the MS thing. Apple is just as proprietary as Blu-ray, and should not have won out. MS is more compatible and customizable.

Sorry, but I think Apple is Crapple. MS might be a monopolizing, money grubbing, take over everything company, but their products are universal and vastly superior. Apple is the dumbed-down version of technology with a cherry coating to appeal to the masses. If it wasn't for the I-pod and a few snobbish graphic designers, Apple would be dead.

Bart

[snowtrooper1966]

As far as disk capacity goes, niether format has come close to filling up a disk....
With so much capacity available on Blu, that may be part of the formats downside. The disks are bieng filled up with so much unneeded crap, that you need a firmware upgard just to play this weeks newest release.
Would you rather have a VX that had a V12? It would be unique, but a bit of overkill and unneccasary, IMHO.
Best,
James
snowtrooper1966

[JAFO]

Sorry, but I think Apple is Crapple. MS might be a monopolizing, money grubbing, take over everything company, but their products are universal and vastly superior. Apple is the dumbed-down version of technology with a cherry coating to appeal to the masses. If it wasn't for the I-pod and a few snobbish graphic designers, Apple would be dead.

Bart

I used not like Apple because of the universal draw back. But now that they have gone Linux and Intel; I'm concidering buying my first Apple. I spent $350 on Windows XP Pro. It is an unstable DOS. I bought it because I had ME before, which was an unstable DOS. Now they want $400 for Visto Pro and it too is an unstable DOS? No way! Our IT guys at work do not recommend it to anyone.

Microsoft has every buddy brain washed into thinking this is just the way computers are. They must be rebooted multiple times a day they crash without warning... Not so, this is how Microsoft is, not everyone. Our servers at work have automated tasks to reboot them nightly. Our mainframe has never been rebooted. In the seven years that I have been at this company, never has it been rebooted or turned off.

Yes, I am going to go Apple. Though my favorite PC based OS... IBM's OS/2... Rock Solid!!!

[JHarris1385]

I back Blu Ray due to the PS3 and thats all.
I too am considering purchasing my first Apple. Tired of MS and my best friends swears by apple.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

I'd agree on the size thing, but completely disagree on the MS thing. Apple is just as proprietary as Blu-ray, and should not have won out. MS is more compatible and customizable.

Sorry, but I think Apple is Crapple. MS might be a monopolizing, money grubbing, take over everything company, but their products are universal and vastly superior. Apple is the dumbed-down version of technology with a cherry coating to appeal to the masses. If it wasn't for the I-pod and a few snobbish graphic designers, Apple would be dead.

Bart

Interesting opinion, but based in what, you have a crappy wintel box? Microsoft is the McDonald's of computing platforms. It may be big, but it puts out flavorless fat and people gobble it up. MS products, both software and hardware are sh_t. Apple invented the personal computer and every PC magazine rates its products and operating system vastly superior to Microsoft.I am typing this on my brand new apple laptop, I have yet to have an issue with it and I have had it a few months.I read vehicross.info on my iphone at the beach. I can run windows on my laptop ( why would I want to?) You can't run apple on a dell or sony or any other microsoft crap.Microsoft is popular because it is cheap, Just like the hd-dvd format was cheap, and look where that format is headed,in the sh_t can.I have a xbox, one that works, but I hear they have like a 80 percent failure rate...I wish apple would start making video game consoles and car stereos.

[nfpgasmask]

I used not like Apple because of the universal draw back. But now that they have gone Linux and Intel; I'm concidering buying my first Apple. I spent $350 on Windows XP Pro. It is an unstable DOS. I bought it because I had ME before, which was an unstable DOS. Now they want $400 for Visto Pro and it too is an unstable DOS? No way! Our IT guys at work do not recommend it to anyone.

Microsoft has every buddy brain washed into thinking this is just the way computers are. They must be rebooted multiple times a day they crash without warning... Not so, this is how Microsoft is, not everyone. Our servers at work have automated tasks to reboot them nightly. Our mainframe has never been rebooted. In the seven years that I have been at this company, never has it been rebooted or turned off.

Yes, I am going to go Apple. Though my favorite PC based OS... IBM's OS/2... Rock Solid!!!

Well, there are people who simply hate MS, and I can understand that. They have put out some very crappy operating systems. I think ME was their lowest point. And I loathe NT4. But I have to say, XPSP2 runs great. I don't understand how you consider it unstable. I use multiple PCs with XPSP2 and have absolutely no issues. I think what a lot of people fail to realize, is that Windows is the most widely used OS, and there are literally millions of applications written to run under Windows. With such a huge variety of software, its only a matter of time before .dlls start stepping on eachother's toes and cause things to get messed up. But it isn't Window's fault that there are so many poorly written applications. And then we have all the spyware and viruses written to attack Windows and Windows based applications. If you take a decent PC, load XPSP2 on it, it will run, and run solid. But as you load it up with 3rd party software and all sorts of other junk, you WILL have problems. That is a given.

You must also take into consideration that a MAC is a MAC. But a PC could be a Dell, a Compaq/HP, an IBM, an AlienWare, a pieced together box from various sources, etc. So right there, you are setting yourself up for compatibility issues. But again, if you know what you are doing, all this can be avoided. I know there have been MAC clones in the past, but I am not aware of any currently.

Apple being much smaller has a lot more control over this type of stuff. I am not brainwashed at all. I have used and supported both Mac and PC professionally. I prefer PC. If you trully know what you are doing, you can have a very powerful PC that DOES NOT CRASH like every Apple Nazi thinks. And I don't care what you say, there is NOTHING an Apple can do that a PC cannot do, except maybe come in a regular variety of fruity colors.

And all that said, if you are really a badass with computers, you stick with Unix/Linux. If I was buying a computer for my grandma, I would get her a Mac. But for myself, a PC is the only way to go. I am trying to learn the Unix stuff, but it is very advanced and a lot different than what I am used to, but nonetheless badass.

Also, comparing current Windows operating systems to OS/2 and Mainframe does not make sense. Can you play HL2 on a Mainframe? And yes, I used to work on and support OS/2, and for its time it was solid, but again, you are comparing an OS that was vastly more simplistic compared to today's OSes.

I guess Apple has its place as the underdog, but when I want to build my own computer exactly to my personal specs, PC is the only option.

Damn, I really am a nerd.

Bart

[tom4bren]

"Damn, I really am a nerd"

Hey, I've still got a set of punch cards in my desk.

I just hang on to them so that when I get really pissed off at MS, I can fondly remember how bad it used to be.

[nfpgasmask]

Interesting opinion, but based in what, you have a crappy wintel box? Microsoft is the McDonald's of computing platforms. It may be big, but it puts out flavorless fat and people gobble it up. MS products, both software and hardware are sh_t. Apple invented the personal computer and every PC magazine rates its products and operating system vastly superior to Microsoft.I am typing this on my brand new apple laptop, I have yet to have an issue with it and I have had it a few months.I read vehicross.info on my iphone at the beach. I can run windows on my laptop ( why would I want to?) You can't run apple on a dell or sony or any other microsoft crap.Microsoft is popular because it is cheap, Just like the hd-dvd format was cheap, and look where that format is headed,in the sh_t can.I have a xbox, one that works, but I hear they have like a 80 percent failure rate...I wish apple would start making video game consoles and car stereos.

At work I use a Lenovo T60 running XPSP2. I have no issues. It doesn't lock up or crash or whatever you probably think. IBM/Lenovo makes a solid PC. At home, I have a personally built PC with pieces I put together here and there from Newegg.com. It also runs fast and very solid. I edit video on it, build websites, play and edit music and sound f/x, play a variety of games, watch movies, edit photos, etc, etc. No crashing. No slowness. No issues.

Funny how you say flavorless fat. Are you projecting? Flavorless fat is making a computer that comes in a bunch of gimicky colors so people gobble it up. Not to mention their huge ad campaign for I-Pod. If Windows is the McDonalds of operating systems, then I-PODs are the BigMacs of the MP3 players. Talk about trying to appeal to the masses. And don't get me started on I-Tunes either.

And you're right, I cannot run MACOS on my PC, but like you said, why would I want to? If I did that, I wouldn't be able to run HALF the apps I run on my PC.

And yes, MS is cheap, but if it works just as good, why should I pay 2 or 3 times the price just so I can have a trendy purple computer? But then again, I must admit, I am biased here since I work in IT, and basically get everything for free.

There really is no arguing this point. Some people like MAC for whatever reason, and I choose PC because it does EVERYTHING I want it to, with NO LIMITS. To me, MAC is limited. It has its place, but it is limited. And I still think MAC would be nothing without their precious little I-Pod.

Bart

[snowtrooper1966]

Thread hijack alert!

[nfpgasmask]

Yeah, sorry Utah, I got carried away.

Bart

[snowtrooper1966]

No offense, Bart!
I was just hoping some wanted to continue the discussion....
Best,
James
snowtrooper1966