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    Every mile costs/ ideas to better the milage

    The reason I started this is im sure alot of owners will try anything to get an extra mile or 2 from a gallon of gas. I started looking into alternatives to try adding that extra few miles to a tank. I started here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHXw1...eature=related

    and ended up spending long hours doing research into the subject and figured why not do some of my own R&D with a full machine shop at my disposal and around $500 for supplys. I went to some of my supplyers and purchased more then enough materials to make many test mules. I started buy building a replica of the one in the video you just have seen, wait, wait, let me back this up a little. The first trip was to home depot, I bought a bunch of stainless light covers. I assembled a unit and dam, it was doing something?? I was still sceptical so we filled a ballon and it only made a light pop. My boss said this is BS, its not making hydrogen. I was thinking the same thing when he put a torch to the out put hose before I could say no and BOOM, louder then my 9mm and were totaly drenched, covered in acrilic and we felt like we just got clubed in the cheast. Holy Crap what was that.
    Well, that was 3 weeks ago and now ive gotten one in the truck, a very efficiant one that makes a good yeild and pulles about 5 amps. Ive seriosly improved my milage from 240, 260 to 280, 300. From what ive heard adding a limited amount makes your gas burn at a leiner air/fuel. So I had to figure out how to lein the VX out. I started drilling holes in the plastic intake foward of the throttlebody and after the maf Every hole I drilled made the maf readings drop voltage on the OBD scaner, and leaned the 02 reading. I ended up drilling almost 20 holes till the truck started rough idling, you could feel it stumble a little bit. I kicked on the hydrogen, solid, maybe slightly better then stock idle. I go for a drive and I was amazed buy how much smoother the VX ran. I havent dynoed it but id swear it has more TQ. Im continuing my work on the hydrogen thing but im a little scared to push more gas because I have no way of changing my timing and feel at the stock timing settings im going to blow my heads off or the crank out the bottom. Any ideas on management would be much appreciated.
    My new generator is pumping out 1 psi every 5 seconds, its totaly made of stainless. Its pulling about 6 amps and iv fitted a 170 nozzle causing a very loud hising and 2 psi stable preassure.

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    Wow, I was just looking into this too. What design did you end up using, the outlet/light cover one? What did materials run and how long to fab it up? Everyone I have talked to who is running these setups claims good results, and the process is rooted in long proven science. I am really excited if it pans out long term. Oh, and let's see some pics!
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    Question

    Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but by drilling holes in the intake, you're introducing UN-filtered air into your freshly rebuilt engine???

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    Carry a fire extinguisher

    and the next step should be actually testing mpg on a controlled test. So far it seems you are basing everything on feelings, which can be correct, but no actual measurement. I would have thought drilling into a freshly built motor would void the warranty as well as any extended warranty. I want better mpg but if I had an extra $500 I would have put it towards gas it would get you further than 1-2 more mpg.

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    So let's see some pics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldub View Post
    Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, but by drilling holes in the intake, you're introducing UN-filtered air into your freshly rebuilt engine???
    Nope, I put a filter over the holes. The engine has over 35,000 on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascinder View Post
    Wow, I was just loking into this too. What design did you end up using, the outlet/light cover one? What did materials run and how long to fab it up? Everyone I have talked to who is running these setups claims good results, and the process is rooted in long proven science. I am really excited if it pans out long term. Oh, and let's see some pics!
    I used a meyers style tubbing setup, I have 12 tubes total in an acrilic housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by circmand View Post
    and the next step should be actually testing mpg on a controlled test. So far it seems you are basing everything on feelings, which can be correct, but no actual measurement. I would have thought drilling into a freshly built motor would void the warranty as well as any extended warranty. I want better mpg but if I had an extra $500 I would have put it towards gas it would get you further than 1-2 more mpg.
    Well lets just take my first tank full wich was a test and a prosses of tunning in the hydrogen. I went from 240 miles to 285 on 16 gallons. This was prior to leaning the VX out buy drilling holes and covering them with a filter. I have no warrenty on the truck and I built my motor myself. I wouldnt trust the monkeys at the dealer touching anything. Ive never seen 285 miles out of a tank before so id have to say thats hard evidence, atleast to me. Id post some pictures but im not a paying member so I cant post any pics.

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    Sounds like it's time for a $20 donation

    This is a very interesting build, very excited to see how it goes...

    And I was getting 350 per tank before wheels and tires, still getting over 250, and just turned 50,000 an hour ago

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    Ow, total cost for my system in the VX was $180 for the cell, $30 for the acrilic and a relay and wiring were stocked itemes at the shop I work at. The other $290 has gone into other tests wich have proven to be better then expected, 1 psi every 4 or 5 secounds, the nothing to shake a stick at.

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    Well, this seems interesting. My girlfriends dad just did this similar setup to his CR-V and is get 7mpg more. He has some kind of module that he controls to output for city and highway driving. To be honest I don't like his setup it is just ugly I think he did for like 40 bucks though.

    Could I see some pictures of your setup?

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    I'm sure if you emailed the pics to someone here, they would post them up, or use photobucket or something like that to remote link them. What does the meyers setup do that the light/outlet plate style doesn't do?

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    $500...just buy a bike! WAY better gas mileage, no emissions, and you get a little exercise!
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    $500...just buy a bike! WAY better gas mileage, no emissions, and you get a little exercise!

    Or get a lot of exercise and run, then take $500 and put it into the Moab 2009 fund!

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    The Inventor, Stanley Meyer, was conviced of fraud in 1996:
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    It's too bad that his brother is continuing to promote this farce and the "conspiracy" of his murder.

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