Once again though guys, a 0 offset on a 8" wide rim with 11-11.5" wide tires looks a TON different than a 0 offset 8.5"-9" wide rim with 12.5" wide tires. Especially when you have the Mudd Grapplers that if you take a tape measure to are actually 12.5" wide from outside of tire to inside of tire (I checked yesterday, lol). Basically my +15mm offset rims and 12.5" tires actually stick out FURTHER from the cladding than your 0 offset, just because of the other variables, as I have stated before my personal opinion is anything around 1.5"-2" of tire sticking out from the fender looks awesome, and I would say both you and Wormgod are in that ballpark. And the width of your respected tires is 265(10.5"), and 285(11.25") and add to that Wormgod's rims are a full .5" larger than yours and you can see the difference between you two in the pictures, now imagine a 12.5" tire on top of that, in fact a full 1.25"(.75" on each side) more hanging off the rim than Wormgod's tires and a full 2"(1" on each side) more than your tires and you can see why a 12.5" wide tire on a 8.5" rim with 0 offset would look way different than what you guys are running, and in my opinion get into the "wow something is not quite right there" area. But yeah 0 offset on an 8-8.5" rim with a 11" tire looks just right (as far as offset goes). But when thinking of what offset you need for the look you are going for the width of the tire and rim are huge factors that should be decided on before deciding on offset/backspacing.