Do you have data on that? Our 1999 911 is so far the smoothest car I have ever driven. Cornering is amazing. Stopping, no problem. And I haven't owned the p-car long enough to really say, but I have never heard anything about Porsche's being not reliable. I read somewhere that 60% of all Porsches ever made are still on the road. Now, that is either a testament to their extreme reliability, or the fact that Porsche owners really care for their cars for the long run.
just for arguments sake, you get numbers on an "old" 911 and ill get some numbers on the STI, and we will see 
Hmmm, I always thought of myself as a friendly person.
And everyone we have met in the PCA has been VERY nice. We have even met some people who obviously have a very substantial amount of fun money, and no one has been anything but nice to us. The way you describe Porsche owners, is the way I feel about BMW drivers: 99% of the time, they are uber-pricks who think their poop don't smell.
maybe my point of view is skewed, all the porsche people i have seen have been from california or colorado, they all seem to be how you explain BMW drivers (ya, i agree, they are a little like that too)
THAT is exactly my point. For the
SAME money you can have a Porsche used. Why the hell would I buy a used Subi when I could buy a used Porsche with SAME amount of money???? Sorry, prick or no prick, a Porsche
looks WAY cooler than a Subi.
thats where we are gonna have to agree to disagree my friend, i think that porsche body styling is stuck in the 80's...which in my opinion is the UGLIEST period of cars EVER! i feel the same way about the looks of the vette, but thats a different discussion
OK, I understand the AWD aspect of it, but I would think an SUV would be a better choice for year round driving. That said, you just nailed it for me. You are talking about the practicality. Practicality = 4 door sedan. Honda Accord, Suburu STI, both practical, same thing to me. Subis have the AWD thing, so... IMO, it seems like all the kids who drive around these modded up Subis are buying them to play "The Fast And The Furious" with their friends. They are not buying them to drive over the mountain pass in the winter, while they might be able to, that is NOT the main attraction to these cars, as far as I can tell.
see, maybe your paying attention to the negative stereotype of this car, reality is- most 'kids' cant afford to buy one of these cars anyhow...of course there are the rich brats out there, but i think the majority of subi owners spend more money on tuning their motor to have more power, than money on making it look lame...in fact, most subi owners i know remove the wing and huge scoop...
Our Porsche has 4 seats, the rear seats would not fit me however.
seems i win this one...the back seat of an impreza is actually very comfortable
You got me there again, I won't even touch the Porsche. I might try to change the oil, but that is about it. But that said, how simple is a 2009 STI to work on? My brother has a Nissan 350Z and when I look under the hood I don't see anything but plastic and everything looks like it was intentionally buried so that the average grease monkey can't even begin to work on it.
i would ABSOLUTELY work on my own subi... i would not buy a car that i could not work on mostly by myself...
I dunno, I mean, winter aside, I could easily drive the 911 to work and back every day. We have a cabriolet, and a couple weeks back we took a nice long drive through the mountains with the top down and it was the most pleasurable driving experience I have ever had on a road. Still, personally, it's not my style (after all, it is the wife's car) as I would spend $20k an early 70s muscle car ANY DAY over any Porsche or a Subi.
And aside from all this, I just used Porsche as an example. I would spend $20k on just about ANY other "fast" car. Even my brother's 350Z has a cool look. I'm not a huge fan of it, but it wins all over the place when compared to a Subi. I suppose for me it has a lot to do with aesthetics. I don't care if the car goes 0-60 in half a second, if it's ugly and/or boring looking, who cares? I want both, form AND function. Otherwise you are just another soccer mom, wanna-be hippy, or ricer who watched Initial D one to many times.
But I guess I am just a freak who has watched Mad Max one to many times!
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