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    Timing Belt Broken...

    Driving to work... 130K mile VX out 150 yrds from the driveway and the engine shuts off. The sweet sounds of STP still pumping through the speakers without a beat. I coast to the side of the road...stop...turn key and starter cranks with no start. Towed to house and replace battery (needed it), fuel filter, checked fuses, checked for fuel in the rails, replaced air filter for ****s n giggles (needed that too) and no luck.
    Towed it to the shop. Noted to the mechanic that starter sounded higher pitched with half the rotation repetition but would not start. Mechanic calls me back and says the timing belt broke. Tells me $320 to replace I feel fair, give him the go. He starts to warn me that this may not fix as he has gotten a 50/50 opinion that this is an interference vs. non-interference engine and may have bent valves upon failure. Gets the belt on and tells me compression is fine (i think 150lb per cylinder) but... water pump is bad and radiator is half full ( I hear half empty) but opt for the replace as a complex heat problem has been killing this truck from the front to the back for some time. Mechanic says ran great for 20 minutes then the fan clutch assembly started to work its way off the fan pulley. Part replace $130. I'm into it $600 by now and go to check it out. They tried to weld the pulley back on but would not fit due to welds in way of fan clutch seating (if I've lost you by now you're not intimate with your VX) Calls back and says the part he orders is the wrong part and the factory replacement is $300. I say no way and he says thats ok. They grinded down the pulley and all is good but says now....
    The engine is misfiring badly. Asks me if I've had this problem before and of course I hadn't. He eludes to a mechanical failure, specifically a broken camshaft. I show up just before they pop the valve cover and alas the lobes look fine and no excessive signs of wear. Haven't yet grilled them on the spark plug replacement and why they didn't address the electronics diagnostics as they haven't explored the trouble code of cylinder misfire without being more specific. Talked to a Isuzu dealership mechanic whom seems knowledgeable and he says in theory that this is a non-interference engine but has seen bent valves on rare occasions. Also eluded that compression tests might test good without indicating bent valves and that he would conduct a leak down test. Supposedly would verify bent valve without pulling cylinder head. Now as I've said I'm $600 into it with replacement belt, water pump, spark plugs, and labor from a somewhat reputable shop. Should I tell em to button it up an bring her home or does anyone here have advice to offer from this long *** diagnostic description of the headaches from my 1999 VX. I swear I'll keep this bitch on the road if it kills me. Please advise.

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    thats about all the technical input i have...

    good luck brother, keep her goin!
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    Missfire after a timing belt replacement could be the timing belt is off a tooth or so.
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    The Clutch fan prob is most likely a failure to do a final tightening off the bolts upon reassembly ( but the mechanic will deny that) and another member here had an issue while installing a timing belt, even though all the correct marks and grooves lineup then lifters have to be loaded (if I remember correctly) The member and mechanic ran out of things to try and another member here had a better shop manual and posted what step had been missed upon installation. And the 3.5 is a non-interference engine so there are no valves bent do to the belt breaking. Other members will chime in and fill in the many blanks I have forgot. Don't let the garage tear into it until the VX knowledge gang chimes in. When I did my timing belt I made sure I didn't lose my lifter pump, they wanted to unload but I used a few well placed wire-ties and wire. But I realize in you case there was nothing you could do.. If I find the long post about the other member I'll paste it here...good luck

    Update read through this thread, it might have some answers..
    http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...ht=timing+belt
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    From what I remember there's a thread about how the timing belt install directions in one manual show it off what it should be - a quick search should find you that thread.

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    bart(nfpgasmask) did a great writeup on how to do the timing belt, and may have some information for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbkid View Post
    bart(nfpgasmask) did a great writeup on how to do the timing belt, and may have some information for you
    http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/how-tos/tb/tbelt.htm

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    I'd say the garage sound like they are giving it a go and not ripping you off, the water pump was a bit of an extra expence that wasn't a result of the timing belt breakage but sounds like it needed doing and a slap on the wrist for not keeping the cooling system topped up!!!

    Did they weld fan assembly in situ? maybe an electrical fault due to that? Other than that i'd say they need to follow the advise above on the cam belt change although i dont understand why it would run fine for 20 mins as the timing cant just drop out ??
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    Several members have indicated that misfires were caused by bad connections on one or more of the coil packs located on top of the spark plugs. Simple cleaning and reconnection may solve the problem.
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    I would say the cams are out of time with the crank. There is a certain way to re time the cams and if you do not do it the right way it will be off. If I remember right there is a TSB on this as the original manual had it wrong.
    here is the tsb. click on the one that says timing belt installation.
    http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...&highlight=tsb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triathlete View Post
    Missfire after a timing belt replacement could be the timing belt is off a tooth or so.
    x2. That's what I am thinking. Given the recent history and what you said, it could very easily be bad timing.

    I did my timing belt and water pump and various pulleys myself, and it cost me $900 in parts. So don't feel too bad yet. I would get the the pulleys off and re-time the VX. There are several videos on how to do it and the shop manual is available on this forum. Also, see my how-to. You should be able to see if the timing is correct without pulling the belt off. Which will save you some work.

    http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/how-tos/tb/tbelt.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfpgasmask View Post
    x2. That's what I am thinking. Given the recent history and what you said, it could very easily be bad timing.

    I did my timing belt and water pump and various pulleys myself, and it cost me $900 in parts. So don't feel too bad yet. I would get the the pulleys off and re-time the VX. There are several videos on how to do it and the shop manual is available on this forum. Also, see my how-to. You should be able to see if the timing is correct without pulling the belt off. Which will save you some work.

    http://www.nofuture.com/myvx/how-tos/tb/tbelt.htm

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    The how tos are people that have changed them without breaking the belt.He needs to have them follow the TSB as it shows the correct way to re time the cams. shawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychos2 View Post
    The how tos are people that have changed them without breaking the belt.He needs to have them follow the TSB as it shows the correct way to re time the cams. shawn
    Yes, that is why I suggested the videos. There is a video somewhere showing how to re-time the belt. That would be the most help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfpgasmask View Post
    Yes, that is why I suggested the videos. There is a video somewhere showing how to re-time the belt. That would be the most help.

    Bart
    In the link that you posted it shows how to replace the belt if it is not broken. In the tsb I posted it tells how to re time the cams if the belt is broken.You cannot just turn the cam to the mark and have it be in time.It tells you in the tsb that it can take up to 9 full turns to get the cam back in time.So he cannot check to see if it is in time without removing the belt. shawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychos2 View Post
    In the link that you posted it shows how to replace the belt if it is not broken. In the tsb I posted it tells how to re time the cams if the belt is broken.You cannot just turn the cam to the mark and have it be in time.It tells you in the tsb that it can take up to 9 full turns to get the cam back in time.So he cannot check to see if it is in time without removing the belt. shawn
    OK, well, if he leaves the belt on and turns the crankshaft pulley, at every full turn the notches should line up. If they do not, then it is obvious the timing is off. That's all I was saying. It would just be a quick check. But you are right, if the timing is definitely off, you cannot re-time without removing the belt.

    Bart

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