15 VX's destroyed and lost for ever!

[handeeman]

I'm saying that those VX's don't have to be crushed, they just can't be put back on the road again. If any of you have salvage yard contacts they can put out an APB to other salvage yards looking for VX's. We might can find them before some moron decides their not worth anything and crushes them.

[Y33TREKker]

...here is how successful the program was if you break it down this way:

True, the money involved is one way to break it down.

Another way to break it down though is the the amount of exhaust emissions emitted by each clunker compared to the emissions output of each vehicle being purchased as a replacement.

Bottom line (pun intended ), if the environment got so screwed up in the long run that it was no longer liveable, there would be nowhere to spend the money being saved on the fuel being pumped through those vehicles that were continuing to exponentially screw up the environment.

Sucks about those VX's though.

[circmand]

I just ordered a new hood insert from Merlin. It would have been nice to have those 15 VehiCROSSes for parts rather than being crushed.
Yes, CRUSHED. I hate to say it, but none of the cars traded in can be resold or stripped for extra $$$. They must be crushed and recycled. I know there were many decent rides that could have gone to someone that can't afford a new car. Stupid.

The engines have to be made non operable all other parts can be resold.

[Triathlete]

True, the money involved is one way to break it down.

Another way to break it down though is the the amount of exhaust emissions emitted by each clunker compared to the emissions output of each vehicle being purchased as a replacement.

Bottom line (pun intended ), if the environment got so screwed up in the long run that it was no longer liveable, there would be nowhere to spend the money being saved on the fuel being pumped through those vehicles that were continuing to exponentially screw up the environment.

Sucks about those VX's though.

Including those natural gas vehicles?

[Y33TREKker]

Including those natural gas vehicles?

Well I don't know the specific models you're referring to, but my guess would be yes, recently produced natural gas vehicles (and probably even older natural gas vehicles) would most likely have better (more reduced) emissions because of newer, more advanced emissions controls/systems than most of the older vehicles that qualified for the Cash For Clunkers program.

But then, natural gas burns cleaner than gasoline anyway.

Natural Gas Car Highs: Cleaner & Cheaper than Gasoline

[Spike]

Face it, this regime has gone way too far, and I see no stop to the lunacy!

[WormGod]

Ya, some of those are absolutely depressing. Last gen Supra?! Really?! DIE!

[don moore]

goes to show you ...<------funny saying..that there are alot of sheep that will belive anything..and fall for that dumb cash for clunckers scam.....lol

i could put a lot of gas and stuff into my VX for 30k

[circmand]

goes to show you ...<------funny saying..that there are alot of sheep that will belive anything..and fall for that dumb cash for clunckers scam.....lol

i could put a lot of gas and stuff into my VX for 30k

But this program was just an easy way for the admin to help the UAW keep many of their union members employed that should have had their positions eliminated decades ago. It did nothing for the industry except make people who would have bought a car in the 4th quarter move it to the 3rd quarter and now the 4th quarter will be the worst on record. Quite simply too many cars are being built for the demand and creating a temporary demand only makes it look like something is being done

[Y33TREKker]

Including those natural gas vehicles?

On second reading, I noticed that the natural gas vehicles you were most likely referring to were the 800+ highlighted in your original post?

It was my understanding that for vehicles to qualify, their mpg's had to be a certain amount worse than the vehicle they were being traded in for, so while there are obviously exceptions to every rule, the emissions technology on those older natural gas vehicles still must not have compared well enough to the emissions technology on the newer vehicles.

While money was obviously a big factor in the program (boosting the economy, helping the automotive industry, etc.), wasn't the overall intention for creating the program a means of helping to clean up the environment? As crazy as it sounds for a person to say it in this day and age, money ain't everything.

[ZEUS]

What really did this program do to clean up the environment tho? One car for another car? The lessened evironmental effects of going from one car to another car, regarding the number of cars traded, aren't even noticable. Most of the vehicles purchased are not going to do anything to improve or lessen the effects the crushed cars had on the environment. It perhaps shifts the type of pollution to be inflicted on the world but anything more than that is simply wishful thinking. Better fuel economy = drive more = same pollution. All I see that came from Cash for Clunkers is a bunch of people (tax payers) buying cars for other people. It was an automotive welfare program! As someone else said, it didn't do anything but make for a strong 3rd quarter and weak 4th quarter, it also increases the deficit and puts more strain on the rest of us who weren't looking to buy new cars. So really, yeah, even in this scenario, money IS everything!The rest is a smoke screen... ironic really, being that pollution was supposedly the reason behind it all...

On second reading, I noticed that the natural gas vehicles you were most likely referring to were the 800+ highlighted in your original post?

It was my understanding that for vehicles to qualify, their mpg's had to be a certain amount worse than the vehicle they were being traded in for, so while there are obviously exceptions to every rule, the emissions technology on those older natural gas vehicles still must not have compared well enough to the emissions technology on the newer vehicles.

While money was obviously a big factor in the program (boosting the economy, helping the automotive industry, etc.), wasn't the overall intention for creating the program a means of helping to clean up the environment? As crazy as it sounds for a person to say it in this day and age, money ain't everything.

[Y33TREKker]

What really did this program do to clean up the environment tho?...

Well as they say, it's the thought that counts. I doubt that anyone was thinking that one program was going to solve everything, but nothing is going to improve if no one does anything. So, environmentally speaking, it was hopefully at least a step in the right direction.

Only time will tell what sort of impact program(s) like that will have in the long term.

[circmand]

Well as they say, it's the thought that counts. I doubt that anyone was thinking that one program was going to solve everything, but nothing is going to improve if no one does anything. So, environmentally speaking, it was hopefully at least a step in the right direction.

Only time will tell what sort of impact program(s) like that will have in the long term.

But that thought cost us $700,000,000,000 and got us nothing. What they should have done was buy clunkers from impound lots and dealer auctions for less. They could have taken a lot more vehicles and spent billions or less.

[ZEUS]

Well, I have to say, I think "the thought that counts" is half right. For example, the Prius is said to be more detrimental to the environment than a Hummer. Thought toward the evironment (although perhaps incorrect) presuades people to buy the Prius yet the hidden results indicate equal to greater harm toward the environment. I agree, as a whole, the world needs to operate differently to improve things but thought sometimes worsens the problem. Not that I know what we should do or that things are easy to fix. I'm just saying, I didn't buy the hype nor a car yet I will be paying for it.

[Y33TREKker]

But that thought cost us $700,000,000,000 and got us nothing.

How can anyone possibly know that at this point?

Well, I have to say, I think "the thought that counts" is half right. For example, the Prius is said to be more detrimental to the environment than a Hummer.(

Well I guess my first question would then have to be; Who is it that promotes that thought? I mean, if it's the company that produces Hummers, of course they are going ask people to believe something like that. But if that's who was saying it (and since no specifics were given it could just as easily be that company saying it as not), the rest of the statement would sort of fall flat.

...I agree, as a whole, the world needs to operate differently to improve things but thought sometimes worsens the problem.

I wouldn't in a millions years disagree with you there.

...Not that I know what we should do or that things are easy to fix. I'm just saying, I didn't buy the hype nor a car yet I will be paying for it.

I imagine there are a lot of things we're paying for that, if we knew all the details, we wouldn't be very happy. Since it's over with now though, if Cash 4 Clunkers had flaws, lessons will hopefully be learned, and future programs will benefit.