Since no one seems to have mentioned it........

[Y33TREKker]

I personally don't think the general populace had realistic expectations before the man was elected, and don't think the general populace has since adopted expectations that are any more realistic now.

Maybe it was just poor timing on the television networks' parts that movies like The Legend of Bagger Vance, The Green Mile, etc. were being shown so much leading up to the election, which resulted in people starting to believe too much in magical black men? I don't know.



But, to expect that as much change as some apparently expected, could take place in the relatively small amount of time that has passed so far is what really seems unrealistic...at least to me anyway. Especially when we are talking about most of the same people in government (world and domestic), big business/special interest, etc, resorting to the same old tactics when they don't get their way.

So, as far as providing an opinion for this thread, I think the guy is at least trying, but when the majority of people are looking for any excuses they can to complain about things rather than focusing on what they may be able to do to help, what kind of expectations can a person really have for the man to be given a fair assessment?

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Obama worse than George Bush?
What are you people smoking in here?
GWB was the worst president we ever had.
Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit.
Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming.
Put our country in the worst financial straights since the depression.
Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor.
Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time.
This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB.
I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .

[samneil2000]

This economic crisis was brought about by fannie and freddy buying up bad mortgages and by government mandated loose lending policies to help people get houses even though they couldn't really afford them. This was started under Carter and given a boost under Clinton. There were many times that people like Mccain and Bush brought up concern regarding fannie and freddy and people like Barney Frank assured them there was no need for concern.
One thing I think Mccain and others should have done is gone on the news circuit and blown the whistle in front of all Americans. Maybe then someone would have done something.

[circmand]

Obama worse than George Bush?
What are you people smoking in here?
GWB was the worst president we ever had. .

Only if you go by popularity. Doing whats right is not about wealth redistribution.

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Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit..[/QUOTE]

There was never a surplus. That was a big lie by the democrats it was on paper based on 10 years of the economy conitinueing the way it was going but the dotcom crash did that and was caused by Clinton

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Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming..[/QUOTE]

As opposed to Neopolitan in charge of security? A passenger stops another airplane being blown up and the system worked? No one was sure where exactly Katrina was going to hit, there was no way to stop a hurricane, Lousiana built and continues to build on the coast below sea level, and billions were given to Louisianna Democrats who wasted and stole the money and they still want more.

P.[/QUOTE]
ut our country in the worst financial straights since the depression..[/QUOTE]

No that is Obama he has spent in one year what Bush spent in eight including the wars and only ran up the deficit remember the 700 Billion stimulous was written and passed by a democrat house and democrat senate and was veto proof. That is not Bush that is all Democrat waste
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Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor..[/QUOTE]
As opposed to giving them billions like BO?
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Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time..[/QUOTE]
tens of thousands tortured where do you get this number? A few hundred terrorists that Obama wants to invite to the US and give tax payer funded attorneys to and cost NYC millions in secutrity
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This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB..[/QUOTE]
Yeah like MLB and their bunch of steroid freaks are a good judge of anybody at least W had more experienced than BO an organizer of corrupt government funded organizations like Acorn
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I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. .[/QUOTE]
A majority of Americans are against the Democrat Health Plan even the Democrats admit that yet they work behind the scenes to shove it down the peoples throat
.[/QUOTE]

He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .[/QUOTE]
The USA can not afford to give him any more time for on the job training he is totally a black Jimmy Carter. without a negro dialect unless he wants one.

Oh wait I am not a democrat so its racists for me to say that.

God I love when the board gets a good discussion going.

[don moore]

lol I knew HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE had to jump in with his ..part ..good job man...

lol
I wanted McCain/Palin cause McCains wife is hot and so is Palin..

JUST SAY NO...

[PK]

See what you started Crotchity.

Man o man - talk about throwing petrol on the fire.




All I can say, as an outsider looking in, is -

No-one respected Bush. He was a brainless twit, and the whole world knew it.

Obama appears to be trying to at least do the right thing from a very bad starting position.
Give him another couple of years before you write him off.

But that is only another opinion, feel free to disagree.

PK

[technocoy]

I refuse to judge a man who was handed one of the worst **** storms this country has seen in decades. In two more years I will tell you how he is doing.

The fact is that we have a runaway congress. Neither side is effective and they just stare intensely at each other and make rude gestures. Obama flat out told the Democrats to work with the Republicans. Dumb *** twit Nancy Pelosi made that a half hearted farce of an attempt and then the Republicans decided to show their immaturity by walling up and not even presenting decent options in return.

The fact is that until Lobbyist are strung up and told to stay the hell out of washington and politicians are tied with shadow accounts to big corporations we will never get out of this BS. Obama is doing his job, congress is playing politics. Both sides.

And as for McCain, he was an honorable politician until he started lying and selling his soul during that campaign. When he first announced his run I was excited. Then he started the BS hanging out with religious nuts like Falwell. From there it was a downward spiral. He completely lost me once he brought on the bag of scary that is Sarah Palin.

I'm also personally offended at all the BS about being the friend of the military. Just because if his history people take it at face value. The reality is for all his talk he voted against so many bills that were set to raise benefits and medical care standards for veterans it's not funny.

I don't care what the cost, any man or woman who serves this country in the armed forces should never have to worry about health care in their lifetime.

Politics has become a 24/7 reality ratings grab and it's creating a dangerous environment.

The best thing we can do is vote as many new senators and representatives into office the next time around that are as centrist as possible.

We are no longer operating within the rules. Dynasties have taken over and it's scary as hell. Someone mentions reduced terms and it's swept under the rug faster than you can spit. Every year regardless of the economy or what we the people are dealing with they feel they deserve a raise. We are being ruled by a group of people who can vote themselves any perks they want and refuse voting on anything that risks their job security.

If you think Barack Obama is the one running the country into the ground, you need to step back and have another look.

I say give the dude a chance to get beyond this healthcare debacle and see where he goes from here. This really should not have been the first thing that was pushed out on everyone with the economy the way it was.

I put up with GW Bush for 8 years and I'm damn sure gonna give this guy a better chance at the job than 1 year. He's intelligent, which is a damn sight better than where we were. And contrary to what everyone wants to spout, words can change alot of things in this world. The best and worst movements have been led by inspired and powerful idealists and speakers. Had Martin Luther King not been the powerful speaker he was we might still very well have segregated schools.

I think the dude is young, and not as experienced as he could be, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

I just wish the moderate Republicans and the Moderate Democrats would get together and start a third party that speaks to those of us that apply a bit of logic to our decisions instead of going purely on faith or emotions.

[Ldub]

I just wish the moderate Republicans and the Moderate Democrats would get together and start a third party that speaks to those of us that apply a bit of logic to our decisions instead of going purely on faith, emotions, or pure self serving GREED.

That's what I would add to that last sentence...

Good points all...

[crotchrocket]

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[vt_maverick]

I agree, give Obama more time. In time I hope we'll all realize that whether a man is white or black, republican or democrat, poorly spoken or a gifted orator, if he doesn't have experience he will simply be a puppet of his advisors, pushing whatever button he's asked. That is not leadership, regardless of how nice you look on TV. Perhaps someday people in this country will apply the same selection criteria for their president that they apply for their mechanic, doctor, or baby sitter. It's certainly not all about experience, but it does help. Sadly the country didn't learn and apply this lesson in the last election, choosing instead to believe that the difference between good and bad leaders can be measured in public speaking ability (which is why he beat out Clinton and all the other Dems for nomination, then McCain for the presidency, and now is being defended as so much different and better than Bush).

We'll see where we go in the next 3 years, but IMO we can chalk up two pretty big mistakes so far:

1. Stimulus packages based on the same theory that people use for gambling - if you're not winning, you just need to keep pouring money into the table until everything comes up okay. It's embarassing that a President had to literally beg bank CEOs last month to start lending money again, after we lent them trillions to cover their irresponsible lending. So far these packages have had no perceivable effect other than to guarantee higher taxes for my daughter's generation.

2. Pushing a massive medical reform package during the worst recession since the Great Depression. Make no mistake, the push has nothing to do with the urgency of the issue or the reform bill's potential to unburden people without insurance. It's because all indications are that the Democrats will lose at least some of their majority in the mid-term elections, so the best chance for a fillibuster proof majority is right now.

Keep in mind that we won't really have 3 more years to evaluate either. The election is in Nov of 2012, which means he'll need to begin campaigning at least 12-18 months earlier (so say Aug of 2011). Given how much he loves campagining, even while on the job (anyone care to count the number of town hall meetings since last January?), I'd say even that estimate is conservative. So figure we can make a pretty good judgement by next summer, when he's about 2 1/2 years in. If that's not enough time, well, I guess we'll just have to re-elect him to see what he can do right?

[nfpgasmask]

I just wish the moderate Republicans and the Moderate Democrats would get together and start a third party that speaks to those of us that apply a bit of logic to our decisions instead of going purely on faith or emotions.

This is more what I mean about one extreme or the other. It's like we have to pick between these two parties that have this die-cast set of ideals. And I just can't believe I'm the only American out there that is pro-gun rights and pro-choice at the same time. I'm always stuck when voting time comes because I hate sooooo much about the Dems and I hate sooooo much about the Repubs so I just have to choose a lesser of two evils. I have yet to see a serious candidate who has a logical and level headed mind set somewhere in between our current 2 party system.

I'm my opinion, the only good thing Bush did for me was let the assault weapons ban lapse. Otherwise, I think he was a corrupt fcukup that was only looking out for his own per$onal intere$t$.

Obama at least seems like he "cares" a little bit. Whether or not he is making the right moves with the economy, I don't know. Like many have said, it is probably two early to tell.

Bart

[CrnCnn]

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Yes, sir. Talk about smacking the hive.

[vt_maverick]

For those that have lamented greed's corruption of democracy in this thread:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us.../22scotus.html

A dark day indeed.

[Scott Harness]

Too early to say anything!!
Most things said here are not based on "facts"
If you're getting your info from TV...you're wrong! especially if you watch Faux News(proven again and again to be either wrong or flat out propaganda)
I watch for the laughs.Not kidding,I usually end up ROFL.
MONEY talks....Bull**** walks
Did you ever wonder how poor politicians leave office Multi-Millionaires everytime!!
Get your news from overseas news organizations.
You can read almost any paper of the world on-line.

Go back and read your history and take a second look!
8 years of (senile) Reagan, 4 years of (read my lips...no new taxes)Papa Bush,8 years of (Mission Accomplished)Bush
20 years vs 1 year ps Welcome Back Hot Wasabi Junki

[vt_maverick]

8 years of (senile) Reagan, 4 years of (read my lips...no new taxes)Papa Bush,8 years of (Mission Accomplished)Bush
20 years vs 1 year

The best kind of "facts." Calls names and forgets 8 years of history.