Since no one seems to have mentioned it........

[circmand]

Actually he has been a worse version of Jimmy Carter. He inherited a bad economy he made it the worst sincew the great depression. He inherited 4.8% unemployment spent an additional $700,000,000,000,000 to keep it under 8% and has taken it to 10.2% (10% is you are looking at December temp jobs) The stimulous went to keeping government employees hired at the expense of private workers who actually produce something. Every stimulous dollar that can be tracked went to projects with high union/democrat voters it was a payoff pure and simple. He promised change and open government he brought pain and suffering with secret back door meetings and dictator would be jealous of. He is a dissappointment of the highest order.

I would even rather have George W back even he was much better than BO.

[tom4bren]

The stimulous went to keeping government employees hired at the expense of private workers who actually produce something.

Waitaminit - I are one of those.



I'm not an Obama fan (not because I'm predjudiced but because he was elected by the media instead of the people).

My program was cut by 50% both last year & this year which cut many Defense Contractor positions as well as a few Government positions.

That's all I got to say 'bout that.

[Marlin]

Obama has set back the chance for a black man to ever be president again for decades. Lots of people voted for him because of his skin color, certainly wasn't his experience or track record. Now everyone will have a bad taste, and all the young people that voted for him will not forget that. Its a shame really, but at least we know that there will be some common sense restored in congress soon, and in 3 more years, the presidency. A solid independent would have an amazing shot in 2012.

[nfpgasmask]

because he was elected by the media instead of the people

Exactly. And as far as I can see, he hasn't done much so far. I think he did inherit a chit sandwich for sure, so he has an uphill climb, but either way, he's nothing but another figurehead.

On a good note, he can actually speak to an audience without sounding like a redneck idiot. And at very least, I hope he earns back some respect for the United States that was lost (or rather punched in the stomach and then kicked in groin) while Premier Bush was in office.

I don't like Obama much, but Bush was a straight up buffoon. Bottom line, he's a politician. Nothing more. I'm just sick of the way this country is run by one extreme or another. It seems there will never be a middle ground president.

Bart

[samneil2000]

I hate to get involved in this sort of thread because they sometimes get heated. I know I'm very opinionated on this subject, and we all know opinions are like arseholes... we've all got one and they all stink.

So, here's mine:
BHO is a major left wing socialist. He has thrown all of the catch-words out there like "social justice" etc. This sort of person (politician or not) believes that those that are successful in life owe something to those who are less successful. It doesn't matter that I have worked about 70 hours this week already. I make too much money for a white guy, and I owe it to people that aren't so blessed. That's called wealth redistribution. One bad flag for BHO.

Another issue I have is this apologist attitude he and other lefties have towards the rest of the world. They believe that the big mean United States has been a bully all around the world. They think that's why radical Islamists want to blow us up. So he has been playing nice and sucking up and apologizing for all the mean things the US has done, and has not garnered the respect of anyone that didn't respect Mr Bush. He has likely lost respect over Mr. Bush.
The radicals want us dead because we are the devil to them. Nothing BHO can do to change their opinion.
If we are the big bully US, why are we dumping millions into Haiti to help those people suffering over there. We could sit back and let them deal with it. The truth is, any time there is a major conflict or major natural disaster, we are the number one country those suffering look to for help. We always give help when needed. Remember the sunami?


I think Bush the second was a far greater president than what we have today. I did have issues with him as well, but would take him back in a second. He sucked at public speaking, but he carried a big stick. The Iraq war is a big issue for a lot of people, but either way, that one was won under Bush, and the country is working on growing as a democracy.
Bush screwed up big time with bail-out number one. He regrets it too, but all the people he trusted to help make the decision told him it was the right thing to do.

Another big issue with BHO is the spending spree. I know people like to think every president spends like crazy, but BHO's budget is bigger than the budgets of George Washington to George Bush 2, and every president in between combined!! I don't think that's the way to grow the economy. If they were worried about the economy and no so much social justice, they would cut taxes on the middle class and on businesses so they could afford to start creating jobs again. There are countless studies and examples in the past that proof that is how to spurn the economy. Not by blowing through tax-payer money like skittles. The government doesn't do anything to make money. It simply takes it from us. At least businesses take money for providing a good or service, and they spend that money to continue doing business. That's how the economy works, or at least used to.

Ok, I'm done. I hope no one is angered by this, because I hate when these threads turn bitter. This is just one humble conservative's opinion on the current president.

[Stephen Biko]

I'm just sick of the way this country is run by one extreme or another. It seems there will never be a middle ground president

That's funny, other than a few hotbutton issues, McCain and Obama are pretty much identical policy-wise. I don't think its a case of extremes, but rather the convergence of both parties to about the same place resulting in rhetoric full of sound and fury; signifying nothing.

Its kind of the way really big mutual funds tend to end up mimicing the general stock market. You've got two huge parties that account for roughly 99% of the votes - when they are that broad-based they both end up at the same place. So they have to make a huge deal of the very minor differences between them.

Slightly extreme would be someone like Ron Paul or Ralph Nader. Really extreme I can't even name any politicians that fit the bill on the right, just talking heads like Pat Robertson or Michelle Malkin vs somebody like Brian Moore of the Socialist Party USA (despite his being way more capitalist than someone like Karl Marx).

[Y33TREKker]

I personally don't think the general populace had realistic expectations before the man was elected, and don't think the general populace has since adopted expectations that are any more realistic now.

Maybe it was just poor timing on the television networks' parts that movies like The Legend of Bagger Vance, The Green Mile, etc. were being shown so much leading up to the election, which resulted in people starting to believe too much in magical black men? I don't know.



But, to expect that as much change as some apparently expected, could take place in the relatively small amount of time that has passed so far is what really seems unrealistic...at least to me anyway. Especially when we are talking about most of the same people in government (world and domestic), big business/special interest, etc, resorting to the same old tactics when they don't get their way.

So, as far as providing an opinion for this thread, I think the guy is at least trying, but when the majority of people are looking for any excuses they can to complain about things rather than focusing on what they may be able to do to help, what kind of expectations can a person really have for the man to be given a fair assessment?

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Obama worse than George Bush?
What are you people smoking in here?
GWB was the worst president we ever had.
Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit.
Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming.
Put our country in the worst financial straights since the depression.
Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor.
Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time.
This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB.
I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .

[samneil2000]

This economic crisis was brought about by fannie and freddy buying up bad mortgages and by government mandated loose lending policies to help people get houses even though they couldn't really afford them. This was started under Carter and given a boost under Clinton. There were many times that people like Mccain and Bush brought up concern regarding fannie and freddy and people like Barney Frank assured them there was no need for concern.
One thing I think Mccain and others should have done is gone on the news circuit and blown the whistle in front of all Americans. Maybe then someone would have done something.

[circmand]

Obama worse than George Bush?
What are you people smoking in here?
GWB was the worst president we ever had. .

Only if you go by popularity. Doing whats right is not about wealth redistribution.

.[/QUOTE]
Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit..[/QUOTE]

There was never a surplus. That was a big lie by the democrats it was on paper based on 10 years of the economy conitinueing the way it was going but the dotcom crash did that and was caused by Clinton

.[/QUOTE]

Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming..[/QUOTE]

As opposed to Neopolitan in charge of security? A passenger stops another airplane being blown up and the system worked? No one was sure where exactly Katrina was going to hit, there was no way to stop a hurricane, Lousiana built and continues to build on the coast below sea level, and billions were given to Louisianna Democrats who wasted and stole the money and they still want more.

P.[/QUOTE]
ut our country in the worst financial straights since the depression..[/QUOTE]

No that is Obama he has spent in one year what Bush spent in eight including the wars and only ran up the deficit remember the 700 Billion stimulous was written and passed by a democrat house and democrat senate and was veto proof. That is not Bush that is all Democrat waste
.[/QUOTE]
Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor..[/QUOTE]
As opposed to giving them billions like BO?
.[/QUOTE]
Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time..[/QUOTE]
tens of thousands tortured where do you get this number? A few hundred terrorists that Obama wants to invite to the US and give tax payer funded attorneys to and cost NYC millions in secutrity
.[/QUOTE]

This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB..[/QUOTE]
Yeah like MLB and their bunch of steroid freaks are a good judge of anybody at least W had more experienced than BO an organizer of corrupt government funded organizations like Acorn
.[/QUOTE]

I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. .[/QUOTE]
A majority of Americans are against the Democrat Health Plan even the Democrats admit that yet they work behind the scenes to shove it down the peoples throat
.[/QUOTE]

He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .[/QUOTE]
The USA can not afford to give him any more time for on the job training he is totally a black Jimmy Carter. without a negro dialect unless he wants one.

Oh wait I am not a democrat so its racists for me to say that.

God I love when the board gets a good discussion going.

[don moore]

lol I knew HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE had to jump in with his ..part ..good job man...

lol
I wanted McCain/Palin cause McCains wife is hot and so is Palin..

JUST SAY NO...

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Only if you go by popularity. Doing whats right is not about wealth redistribution..

George Bush was not a bad president because he was unpopular..
He was unpopular because he was a bad president.


Much like Jesus turned water into wine,
He turned surplus into deficit..[/QUOTE]

There was never a surplus. That was a big lie by the democrats it was on paper based on 10 years of the economy conitinueing the way it was going but the dotcom crash did that and was caused by Clinton

Another falsehood.
This was money in the bank that Bush squandered fighting two wars that still are not over.Clinton did not cause the dot com crash, But had everything to do with the boom. He did not tax internet commerce and this made companies very rich very fast. As with most booms, the gravy stops flowing eventually and the strong survive and the weak die. Historically the american economy has always been stronger under democratic leadership.

.[/QUOTE]

Had his head way up his *** during a preventable terrorist attack.
Gave his Arabian Horse club friend the reigns at Fema during one of the worst natural disasters of our time...and even with Dopler radar did not see Katrina comming..[/QUOTE]

As opposed to Neopolitan in charge of security? A passenger stops another airplane being blown up and the system worked? No one was sure where exactly Katrina was going to hit, there was no way to stop a hurricane, Lousiana built and continues to build on the coast below sea level, and billions were given to Louisianna Democrats who wasted and stole the money and they still want more.

Another falsehood.
They have video of Bush and Brown 3 days before the storm being told that this could be a major catastrophe. Like 911, where he had brief that" Al Keda" was "determined to strike within the united states using highjacked airlines", Bush decided playing golf and dicking around on his ranch in texass was the best course of action.

P.[/QUOTE]
ut our country in the worst financial straights since the depression..[/QUOTE]

No that is Obama he has spent in one year what Bush spent in eight including the wars and only ran up the deficit remember the 700 Billion stimulous was written and passed by a democrat house and democrat senate and was veto proof. That is not Bush that is all Democrat waste

The stimulus began before Bush left office. It was a bailout to the banks that should have never happened. Much like if you have kids,you don't give candy to one unless you have enough for everybody.Those companies should have never been bailed out by either Bush or Obama unless they were prepared to offer equal bailouts to small business and laid-off workers.
.[/QUOTE]
Defended the credit card companies, banks, and wealthiest 1% of this country over the masses of hard working american middle class and poor..[/QUOTE]
As opposed to giving them billions like BO?
Yeah!
Are you gonna side with with giving help to credit card companies more leverage to screw us? and big banks?
Bush began the bailouts but you seem to have forgotten that. Obama is wrong to continue that which Bush started as he is to keep fighting Bush's wars overseas.
.[/QUOTE]
Striped away civil rights of all americans while torturing and killing ten of thousands of innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong country a the wrong time..[/QUOTE]
tens of thousands tortured where do you get this number? A few hundred terrorists that Obama wants to invite to the US and give tax payer funded attorneys to and cost NYC millions in secutrity

This is America. Look at your lapel pin...Is that an american flag on it?
Innocent till proven guilty. This *** deserves the right to a fair trial just as you would. The OJ trial cost millions, and he got off. This is our system, and it's the system that or forefathers fought for. Go spit on their graves if it does not work for you.
.[/QUOTE]

This was a man who was rejected by Major league baseball owners as not qualified to be the chairman of MLB..[/QUOTE]
Yeah like MLB and their bunch of steroid freaks are a good judge of anybody at least W had more experienced than BO an organizer of corrupt government funded organizations like Acorn
.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the owners of major league baseball take steroids? You know as much about baseball as you do about politics. They are 95% multimillionaire, old school Republicants. They own multinational companies and have more money than most of us will ever see. They rejected him purely on the basis that they felt he was unqualified to make policy decisions for baseball. It's like me being denied a driver's license, only to race in the indy 500 next week.

I mean I could keep going but why..
Republican'ts will always champion mediocrity and the below average as long as a capital R follows the name.
Obama is been in the white house 1/4 of his term and 1/8 the time of his dim witted predecessor.
In that time he has tried to push a health care plan that the majority of americans want. .[/QUOTE]
A majority of Americans are against the Democrat Health Plan even the Democrats admit that yet they work behind the scenes to shove it down the peoples throat
.[/QUOTE]

He has been fought tooth and nail by shills for the insurance industry in congress, who should wear patches on their 3 pieces like Nascar to tell America who his funding and sponsoring them.
I am not gonna say I have liked all his moves in the last year.
Like most anyone who takes that job, Your gonna piss half the world off every time you open your mouth.
But like Lando pleaded for Han..."He just needs a little more time" .[/QUOTE]
The USA can not afford to give him any more time for on the job training he is totally a black Jimmy Carter. without a negro dialect unless he wants one.

Oh wait I am not a democrat so its racists for me to say that.
The USA gave Bush 8 years and he by the majority of opinions was one of the worst leaders in world history. I could not believe Obama picked him to help with the relief effort in Haiti. Those poor folks have suffered enough!

God I love when the board gets a good discussion going.[/QUOTE]
See...we do agree on something....