Air Locker Special Promotion!

[ZEUS]

Here's a good deal for you: http://www.performanceoffroadcenter....oducts_id=2708

Two lockers will get you the better compressor and a tire inflation kit.

[Ascinder]

There's a shocker, any time anything is posted that leans towards more hardcore offroading, the post counts are record lows

[ZEUS]

There's a shocker, any time anything is posted that leans towards more hardcore offroading, the post counts are record lows

Plus it is a thread I started... that almost guarantees silence!

[MSHardeman]

I am, by no means, a hard core offroader, but I do think that lockers would be fun....I just don't have that kind of scratch to throw around right now.

[orion]

if only that deal was for a front locker

[nfpgasmask]

I want your 4.77s for my Trooper, and then an air locker in the rear.

Bart

[Ascinder]

Front lockers don't cost a lot of money, they just cost a lot of CVs

Plus it is a thread I started... that almost guarantees silence!

For some reason, "Who dares question the mighty ZEUS?!" just popped into my head, LOL!

[pbkid]

Front lockers don't cost a lot of money,

you must make pretty decent money beau... because i know i consider $2-3K a lot of money... thats almost as much as a whole VX nowadays..

plus, anyone who is seriously into offroading would also do gearing while they were in there which adds another $600-1000. and then you gotta tear apart the rear axle and do gearing and a locker in there....it adds up quick and its a big committment.

i think its just a bigger committment than most here are willing to make. and it would make a $10k vehicle into at least $20k.

[Ascinder]

You can get a front aussie locker for a couple hundred bucks. They work fine. And there was a guy who used to be on these forums that took a locked VX over the rubicon with stock gearing and he just broke a lot of CVs. You can also just Lincoln lock the rear for next to nothing. And trust me, I don't have a of of money at all, far from it. I just use what little I have wisely. You don't always need the latest ARB air locker to go have fun, you just have to be willing to make compromises and then, willing to live with them. How about going and learning to install gears yoursef instead of paying someone else?

[ZEUS]

You can get a front aussie locker for a couple hundred bucks. They work fine. And there was a guy who used to be on these forums that took a locked VX over the rubicon with stock gearing and he just broke a lot of CVs. You can also just Lincoln lock the rear for next to nothing. And trust me, I don't have a of of money at all, far from it. I just use what little I have wisely. You don't always need the latest ARB air locker to go have fun, you just have to be willing to make compromises and then, willing to live with them. How about going and learning to install gears yoursef instead of paying someone else?

That was Grandpa Bob/Green Dragon on the Rubi. He apparently drives with a heavy throttle which is a big no-no with lockers and weak CV's. Big Swede is running deep gearing, 35"s, and lockers and he tries to avoid shock load to save his CV's. Of course he breaks one every now and then, but our CV's are weak. Todd Adam's also has ARB's and has little trouble with his breaking stuff. Smooth throttle is usually easier applied when you have lockers, which is good since it is key to not breaking stuff. To Lincoln lock the rear end you would have to dispose of the LSD and install an open carrier to weld the spider gears together. So if anyone got to that point, IMO, they may as well install a locker into that carrier...

Don't question me!

[Ascinder]

Yeah, but didn't some troopers or rodeos come with open carriers and the same gearing? My point being that you could weld a third member up on the bench where it's easy to do and just swap it out. At a junk yard a third would cost you less than $100, at least at pick-and-pull here it's about $100 for an entire rear axle. All I was trying to say in my last post was that if you really do want to go more aggressive wheeling wise, then it can be done without a large pile of cash. There are many different levels of what you can do to enhance wheeling abilities, it just depends on if you're willing to do what it takes and accept certain compromises with either time, money, effectiveness, durability, etc. Look at my lift. I knew lifting that high would eat CV boots, but I went into it knowing and accepting that. Same with lockers. If you are willing to live with questionable traction that a lincoln locker will bring in slippery situations, but you think it's worth the payoff in the cost and performance departments, then go for it. Or if you want to go the cheapy route for the front locker, and are willing to live with ratcheting when you turn, then get the Aussie. Once I swap out my axles, I'll be running open diffs. for awhile until I can scrounge enough money up for lockers, but I'm willing to wait and suffer in the meantime to get what I want in the end. All I'm saying is that cost doesn't always equal results.

[ZEUS]

I'm with ya, Beau. I'm just clarifying that one part of lockers in a VX for folks who learn form the search tool...

Yeah, but didn't some troopers or rodeos come with open carriers and the same gearing? My point being that you could weld a third member up on the bench where it's easy to do and just swap it out. At a junk yard a third would cost you less than $100, at least at pick-and-pull here it's about $100 for an entire rear axle. All I was trying to say in my last post was that if you really do want to go more aggressive wheeling wise, then it can be done without a large pile of cash. There are many different levels of what you can do to enhance wheeling abilities, it just depends on if you're willing to do what it takes and accept certain compromises with either time, money, effectiveness, durability, etc. Look at my lift. I knew lifting that high would eat CV boots, but I went into it knowing and accepting that. Same with lockers. If you are willing to live with questionable traction that a lincoln locker will bring in slippery situations, but you think it's worth the payoff in the cost and performance departments, then go for it. Or if you want to go the cheapy route for the front locker, and are willing to live with ratcheting when you turn, then get the Aussie. Once I swap out my axles, I'll be running open diffs. for awhile until I can scrounge enough money up for lockers, but I'm willing to wait and suffer in the meantime to get what I want in the end. All I'm saying is that cost doesn't always equal results.

[samneil2000]

My friends all run Toyotas, either old pickups or 4runners or buggies built from Toy parts. They swear by the axles etc. I know Indy4x sells the solid axle kit. Has anyone purchased that thing? Would that work with the Toy solid axle?

My good friend has a rock-crawler/trail ride that is mostly a stock 4runner with SAS in the front with a couple of long travel leaf-spring kits. He has lockers front and rear and pretty low gears with 39 inch tires. The thing will go anywhere. My VX doesn't have anywhere near the capabilities of his ride. I know I need a locker in the back, and would like lower gears. I know a locker in the front is asking for broken CVs, where the solid axle can wheel with a locker no problem.

Would I have to go with the Jeep D44 for the front, or would the Toyota axle work as well? I know my friend has a spare front...

It sounds like a lot of money and work to get there. Would it be worth it? He says I would be better off selling the VX and buying an old Toyota to build. Parts etc... I just don't know how capable I really want to try to make the VX be. Perhaps just a locker in the back with lower gears would get me where I want to be.
I'm just rambling, but these are the things that I think about when I try to climb a dirt hill and one back tire is spinning along with one front tire, and I have to back down the hill because I can't make it...

[Ascinder]

I admittedly don't know a ton about toyota axles except that I've always heard good things about them being cheap, reliable, durable, and plentiful. Same with the D44. If toyotas are what all your friends run and that's who you tend to wheel with, then it's an advantage to have the same gear since there tends to be more knowledge and spare parts nearby. As for the Indy 4x4 kit, I think it still needs to be installed by an offroad fab shop, so if it was me, I'd talk to a shop first, they may offer you a better deal or options if all the parts and work are done in house. Like ZEUS mentioned in another post on here, a front locker only tends to blow out CVs if you are stomping on the throttle and then only usually if you are turning the wheels(more stress) or having intermittent traction like on rocks when the wheel catches. In normal situations, I'm sure a front locker is just fine. However if you are trying to go with bigger wheels, you may need the solid axles strength. Just out of curiosity, when you are going up these dirt hills, do you pull up on your parking brake at all? The limited slip in the rear will usually engage at that point and basically lock up the rear so you aren't spinning back there. The VX's limited slip is pretty good so it's worth a shot in the mean time. Good luck!!

[samneil2000]

Just out of curiosity, when you are going up these dirt hills, do you pull up on your parking brake at all? The limited slip in the rear will usually engage at that point and basically lock up the rear so you aren't spinning back there. The VX's limited slip is pretty good so it's worth a shot in the mean time. Good luck!!

I have read that on this site before, but forgot about it at the time. This was just a month or so ago at a small off-road area nearby. I was trying to climb some hills I hadn't attempted yet, and broke loose. The hill was pretty steep and I was pretty close to the top, and a bit nervous...
I might would have made it if I had let some air out of the tires too, but I needed to drive it back home when I was done playing and don't have onboard air.

As far as the fab goes, I would most likely do it myself (with friends). My friends are way more in to this stuff than I am, and have built full on tube frame rock-crawler buggies with Chevy 4.3 v6 besides just the Toyota truck based crawlers. Welding on some leaf-spring mounts etc seems like small potatoes.
I spent a good bit on the VX last year with the lift, maintainence, 33's etc. I'm not sure when I'll be ready to spend more money on it, but that SAS keeps popping up in my mind. I guess if I did a SAS, would I simply kill the TOD computer? Then I would have a rear wheel drive with Hubs unlocked, 4 high with hubs locked, and then 4 low with T-case engaged. Seems a bit of a waste of a handy all wheel drive vehicle too though. I know it's come in handy with the higher-than-normal snow amounts we've received here in west TN this year.