Drinking and Driving...

[pbkid]

[circmand]

The law isn't about impaired and there is no information available about what is impaired. If you are even feeling better after a drink the law states you are impaired. The law is based on a percentage without taking into account the actually quality of driving. Now I am not saying anyone drives better after drinking they do not. But to claim as the law does that everyone becomes a bad driver at .10% and then change it to .08% based on a political organization is pure politics. On the bright side few get pulled at .08% because they are still driving better then a lot of the idiots on the road. A claim could be made that a person who had been drinking a small amount but worried about a DUI may actuall pay more attention while driving so that their impaired driving is superior to idiots who are sober yet talking on the phone or otherwise oblivious to other cars onthe road. I have been unablew to find any research that demonstartes that .o8% causes all drivers abilities to degrade to unacceptable

[RickOKC]

Actually, have no idea what my BA level would be after 1 or 2 beers, heck, don't even know what my state's limit is! Ignorance is no excuse.

Think of it this way:

Every road has a speed limit and you know you can get a ticket if you exceed it. Think of all the miles you have driven since you got your license. Now imagine that you have never driven a car with a speedometer. You would never know for sure what 25, 50, 75 MPH "feels like." Would you pay $50 to get a speedometer?

A home breath tester is a pretty cheap mod.

[circmand]

Think of it this way:

Every road has a speed limit and you know you can get a ticket if you exceed it. Think of all the miles you have driven since you got your license. Now imagine that you have never driven a car with a speedometer. You would never know for sure what 25, 50, 75 MPH "feels like." Would you pay $50 to get a speedometer?

A home breath tester is a pretty cheap mod.

A BAC test shows your Blood achohol content at the time of testing. If you do it at a bar right after your last drink it will read one thing but your BAC will actually continue to rise until all alchohol has been absorbed into your system. You could test yourself think you are legal get pulled and end up with a DUI. That is my issue with no real info available on tests and such. The newer maker of the breathalyzer for use by the police will not even release the methodology used and therefore cannot be independently measured whether it is correct. It has actually led to DUIs being thrown out of court. Those of you who have taken the DUI classes can back me up. The classes are all about how bad drinking is and have nothing to do with actual what is too much or how to judge if you had too much.

Actual I am surprised it is even legal to charge someone with DUI. Because if a guy and girl go out have a few drinks and then have sex but the next morning the girl regrets her decision the law says because she was drinking she did not have the capacity to say yes. But the guy who was drinking apparently has the capacity to know she really didnt want to. But if yopu are at a bar drinking your ability to drive is impaired but the ability to make the decision whether to drive or not isnt impaired.

Funny thing is even cold stone sober I can never really tell what a women wants or means how am I supposed to know after drinking? That is the way of the DUI law, They pass a law but if you ask for specifics they tell you "if you do not know I am not going to tell you" I think women are writing these laws.

[ZubrAZ]

many americans think that marijuana must be legalized. supporters backing it by stating they feel more concentrated while being high, and more productive.

how do members of this forum look on driving while being impaired by illegal drugs, marijuana in particular?

[Riff Raff]

many americans think that marijuana must be legalized. supporters backing it by stating they feel more concentrated while being high, and more productive.

how do members of this forum look on driving while being impaired by illegal drugs, marijuana in particular?

LOL, that's a perfect question for the almighty L-Bud.

[Ldub]

LOL, that's a perfect question for the almighty L-Bud.

A-least ya finally got the almighty part right frank......

You gotta be one of the slowest learners of all time...

[VX crazy]

And some people are impaired all on their own without medications......

[circmand]

many americans think that marijuana must be legalized. supporters backing it by stating they feel more concentrated while being high, and more productive.

how do members of this forum look on driving while being impaired by illegal drugs, marijuana in particular?

Since I know everyone values my opinion!!!! If you are impaired and driving reckless you should be pulled and fined, ticketed, o arrested accordingly. It does not matter if the substance is legal or illegal operating reckless should be punished. If illegal drugs you also get further punishment for the degree the drugs and amounts warrant. However to selectively punish one form of reckless over another because of the reason of reckless is not logical.

[ZubrAZ]

does it mean, if an impaired person driving carefully at a degree, where that person realizing he/she is not sober, however can still react to green/red lights, road signs, other moving objects, then it shouldnt be punishable?

[BigSwede]

Heh, I have a buddy who has declared, publicly, that he would rather ride with me driving drunk than most people driving sober. Not sure what that means... other than when both of us have had some drinks he perceives me as an excellent (or at least adequate) driver.

Whatever, I just ordered a Breathalyzer so I can take some of the guesswork out of all this.

[RickOKC]

A BAC test shows your Blood achohol content at the time of testing. If you do it at a bar right after your last drink it will read one thing but your BAC will actually continue to rise until all alchohol has been absorbed into your system.

Good information! I would never have considered using it when I knew I "had" to drive. A better application would be to do it at home when there is no need to go anywhere. Try out a few different situations, time frames and alcohol consumption to get a good feel for BAC with no worries.

[pbkid]

you know... to be completely honest.... the whole idea of buying a meter, testing yourself and expecting to know what your BAC is gonna be sounds like a terrible idea...

i think of it the same way i do radar detectors.. people think that because they have them, they will never get a ticket... well, i, for one know that it isnt true. i was clocked by aircraft on a highway going FAR over the limit because i was overconfident with my radar detector.
so, i actually blame that ticket directly on my radar detector... because i had a false sense of safety and security because i got so used to not having to worry about tickets.

i think the same could happen with a BAC tester. you could test yourself a few times after having 2 beers and think.. ok i know that im only at .06 after 2 beers... but what you dont think of is how much water you had.. maybe the days you tested it you had drank half a gallon of water, but one day you only drink one glass and have 2 beers at the bar.... BOOM.. dui....

make sense??

[4X4 UFO]

I don't drink, or use drugs, but I think that the reasons for reckless driving are pretty irrelevant. If you're driving like an idiot, you should be pulled over, and ticketed. There are very few actual accidents. Wrecks are almost always caused by negligence in some form. As a driver, you should be aware of your abilities, the abilities of the vehicle that you are driving, and how those abilities are affected by the conditions present where you are driving, not to mention the state of repair of your vehicle. This takes some study, some practice, and mostly, paying attention to what you're doing. Unfortunately, in this country, you can get a driver's license by demonstrating little more skill than it takes to open the vehicle door. Some people can drive well after a drink or two, and as long as they are driving well, they should be left alone. Some people can't drive worth a damn sober, and they shouldn't be on the road at all. Speeding is probably ticketed more than anything, and it is less subject to the law enforcement officer's subjective judgement (not all law enforcement officers are of the caliber of the officers in our group). Speeding exacerbates the effects of an accident, but it doesn't CAUSE nearly as many accidents as inattentive driving. I'd much rather see people pulled over for doing anything other than DRIVING THE VEHICLE! Even an average driver is more dangerous at 10 mph under the posted limit talking on a phone, than he is at 10 mph over if he's doing nothing but driving. It's a complicated issue, but ticketing people for something that MAY impair them is less important then ticketing people for driving as though they ARE impaired, even if the impairment is just stupidity, or callous disregard for everyone sharing the road with them. Sorry about the long post, guys. I like to drive, and I'm really concerned about the ever increasing "moron per mile" ratio. I just don't know if there is a cure.......

[PK]

Sorry, but I really don't see the rocket science in this.

I drink, and I drive - but I never do both together.

Use the nominated driver method, or taxis, and it is very hard to make a mistake.

If my friends want me to drink to be sociable, I will have 1 or 2 light beers, but that is all. You will drown drinking light before you go over the limit.

And if your friends pressure you to drink more -







Then they are not your friends.

PK