Education needed: IFS vs. Solid Axle

[SilverBullet75]

Hi,
In the past couple months, I've received the same question from 3 different people, asking: "Does it have a solid front axle?" When I replied, "No, it's Independent"... they ALL gave a disappointed reaction, even rolled their eyes.

I don't know much about off-road vehicles or their suspension advantages/disadvantages... could someone please explain their reaction to me?

[nocturnalVX]

One thing I know from personal experience is that IFS is better in ruts... I ended up towing out a RUBICON Wrangler because he got hung up bad on the ridge between the ruts. He promptly quit wheelin' with us out of embarrassment!

I love this pic!

[Ascinder]

.. I ended up towing out a RUBICON Wrangler because he got hung up bad on the ridge between the ruts. He promptly quit wheelin' with us out of embarrassment!

Then that guy doesn't belong in a wheeling environment and acted appropriately.

"Does it have a solid front axle?" When I replied, "No, it's Independent"... they ALL gave a disappointed reaction, even rolled their eyes.

Now, in answer to your question: LINK

But seriously, solid axles are usually stronger and generally able to turn sharper and articulate more. We are again talking about the typical setup found on the average vehicle. IFS is usually built lighter to be more responsive on the road and to improve efficiency by cutting out parasitic losses due to "excess" drivetrain weight found on solid axle setups. When you hit a bump with it, usually you only feel it on the side it hit. On a solid axle you tend to get "pushed over" more. Solid axles also put more unsprung weight down low which is good for stability in off camber situations likely to be found when wheeling. IFS also tends to be more complicated and also more maintenance intensive than your typical solid axle setup. With a solid axle there are less parts to break and they are more durable so you break them less to boot. When you are out in the middle of nowhere, that is a major consideration. Also there tends to be a lot of general knowledge and commonality on solid axle parts vs. IFS. You can find a dana 44, dana 60, or GM 14 bolt in just about any junkyard in america, and the parts for them in any store. With IFS, you never know what you'll need or where to get it unless you have the internet or a dealership handy.

[BigSwede]

generally able to turn sharper

Not sure about that...I can turn sharper than any of the Jeeps in my club.

Bottom line: Solid axles are desirable for strength and articulation in rock crawling.

But for most anything else, IFS rules. High speed desert and rally racers use IFS, which is really the type of vehicle the VX is emulating (IMO).

[Marlin]

Not sure about that...I can turn sharper than any of the Jeeps in my club.

Bottom line: Solid axles are desirable for strength and articulation in rock crawling.

But for most anything else, IFS rules. High speed desert and rally racers use IFS, which is really the type of vehicle the VX is emulating (IMO).

You are in a Jeep club?!

J/K, I would be curious to see the new IFS kit pitted against a similar set up solid axle.
I did get to open the kit up in the 12 hours I was home before hitting the road again. VERY beefy. More to follow in separate thread.

As for IFS vs SAS. I watched a guy bust a half shaft in Moab last year, he had it swapped in less than 20 minutes. Parts were practically free. Try doing that with IFS...but as everyone mentioned, IFS generally handles much better on the street, unless its pitted against a very well designed SAS, which would require significant thought and planning on our truck. (Looking forward to seeing Ascinder's set up). Of course, I knew nothing of this stuff two years ago...it is amazing what you can learn in wheeling groups and simple internet searches)

Did you steal the Trail rated badge off that Rubi?

[BigSwede]

You are in a Jeep club?!

No, but there are 28 Jeeps in my and Mike Walter's Isuzu club...

[Triathlete]

If you've never been on the receiving end of the strap you're just not trying hard enough!
As far as solid axle vs. IFS....if you want to go fast (think Baja) a properly set IFS will trump solid axle. For hardcore rockcrawling a properly set up solid axle is prefered since it will flex far more . Of course there are exceptions to the rule.
As far as that rubicon...operator error!