Conceal to carry - if so what? Or what do you own?

[VX KAT]

OK, we're goin' look like nutjobs here, but here goes anyway.....
I hope PK still loves me after this....

We're a Beretta family. We really enjoy target/practice shooting for sport and it's something I can do. Since we have so many mountains around here, and so little population, there's plenty of places to go plinking safely in the woods/chapparel any time we want to, and it's free . Plus I get to go "off-roading" to get there....doubles the fun! So ironic that many of Beretta's guns are named from the big cat family.

Here's Beretta Kat's Cheetah collection: L-R: Cheetah 85BB, Cheetah 84FS, Cheetah 87, Cheetah 86. These are all straight blowbacks.


Beretta Kat's Cheetah collection: top: 86 tip up (.380); bottom: 87 (22LR)
....and yes, as a matter of fact, they do make purple convoluted foam..how kool is that!!


Beretta Kat's Cheetah collection: 84FS Cheetah Two-tone, 85BB Cheetah Nickel (both chambered in .380)



Dave's collection:
Rossi 851 38 special revolver (For Sale...anybody interested?)
Ruger LCR 38 special +P revolver
Next column:
Beretta 92FS-C Type M, Custom made Two-tone - 9mm
Beretta PX4 Storm Subcompact - 9mm
Beretta Titanium edition Tomcat (super rare, one of about 500 made) -.32 Auto ACP.
I just got this little bad boy for Dave's B-day and Xmas this week. It's his CC now....everybody see the School board shooting footage from Panama City, FL yesterday???....well Councilman Dave, er, um, I mean "The Senator" is prepared. Remember, AZ has the easiest, least restrictive gun laws in the country....many are carrying....Our town even passed an ordinance allowing guns in council meetings... Our next door town has bulletproof glass in front of council during meetings....

The Tomcat also comes in a Two-tone edition, which is my next purchase...then I'm done.


Dave's Beretta family: 92FS-C Type M (9mm), Titanium Tomcat (.32 ACP), PX4 Storm Subcompact (9mm)

[Triathlete]

Note to self...never show up at Sue's house unannounced!

VX crazy...for a nice little CC weapon that will easily fit in your smallest of purses you might check out the Kal-tec .32's. They have a cult like following, and you can get colors (pink, blue,...) and a grip with a belt clip built in.

[Ebenezr]

Hey VX CAT I really think you should consider getting a gun. Maybe a Beretta or something. Have you ever thought of this?

[workmeistr]

A guy cruises thru a stop sign and gets pulled over by a local policeman. Guy hands the cop his driver's license, , insurance verification, and registration.

The policeman notices a Concealed Carry Permit as the man was fishing out his drivers license. So the cop asks, "Are you carrying today?"

"Yes, I am."

"Well then, better tell me what you got."

The guy says, "Well, I got a .357 revolver in my inside coat pocket.

There's a 9mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I've got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot."

"Okay," the cop says. "anything else?"

"Yeah, back in the trunk, there's an AR15 and a shotgun. That's about it."

"The cop asks, are you on your way to or from a gun range...?"

"Nope."

"Well then, what are you afraid of...?"

"The guy responds, "Not a damn thing."

[VX crazy]

Billy, I KNOW, love the kal-tecs, just need to go shoot some first, I think they have a 40 caliber too, I had a 32 20yrs ago and just didnt like it....

[Y33TREKker]

Sig Sauer P230. I've had it for years and it's still my favorite carry. Nice size, and for a .380, packs a decent punch.

[VX KAT]

Hey VX CAT I really think you should consider getting a gun. Maybe a Beretta or something. Have you ever thought of this?

You DO fit right in 'round here!

Lisa- I've read the Kel-tec's have a pretty bad kick...'course that's very subjective. Maybe ask around. Ruger also makes a raspberry colored tiny semi auto..."LCP"...and Sig Mosquito comes in a pink version, but it's only a 22LR. Can ya believe I didn't buy either of these?

[PK]

OK, we're goin' look like nutjobs here, but here goes anyway.....
I hope PK still loves me after this....

I still loves ya Sue.
I just have to decide whether I should -

Start blowing my horn when I am 100 mile away, to let you know I'm coming.

OR

Wait until I wrap my arms around you from behind, and whisper in your ear.

Guess it will be No 1 because I wouldn't get past those ferocious dogs of yours. (Or big Dave).

I do have some firm opinions on this topic, but won't bore everyone with them.

I will make a few observations -
I assume of course, that all of you carry for defensive reasons only.


1. Don't ever carry unless you have the resolve to use it if needed.
2. If you have to use it, aim for the central mass of the target. It is hard enough to hit something moving without being fancy with where you try and place the shot.
3. I have to agree with Riff (Wow - never thought I would say that), if you can't draw and fire your weapon in less than 1 second, you are carrying useless weight around. Try this, it is harder than you think.

Suffice to say that if I lived in America, I probably would carry.
Luckily I live in Australia, and with the lack of guns on the street, and my hand to hand combat training, I have zero need to live in fear.
If I am within 10 feet of someone, I can have them unconscious, or dead, within 2 seconds if I have to.

I don't hate guns, I just don't see the need for everyone to walk around armed to the teeth in a supposedly civilised society.
When in the bush (not hunting) I have my knives and special "camping tool", and of course, if I am hunting, I have my rifle, or shottie, which ever is appropriate.

PK

[spaceCADETzoom]

However i am just jelous as we arent allowed anything here, athough thats not a bad thing as road rage is just alot of shouting here, then you go your seperate ways instead of being dead lol

Yeah, so road rage defaults to the bigger, angrier guy in the UK then? Media hype aside, and contrary to fear mongering, motorists shooting other motorists because of road rage doesn't really happen. I mean, the homicidal driver is already in control of a 2ton vehicle...don't need a gun to kill anybody if so inclined.

Suffice to say that if I lived in America, I probably would carry.
Luckily I live in Australia, and with the lack of guns on the street, and my hand to hand combat training, I have zero need to live in fear.
If I am within 10 feet of someone, I can have them unconscious, or dead, within 2 seconds if I have to.

I don't hate guns, I just don't see the need for everyone to walk around armed to the teeth in a supposedly civilised society.
When in the bush (not hunting) I have my knives and special "camping tool", and of course, if I am hunting, I have my rifle, or shottie, which ever is appropriate.

PK

THat's funny, I'd think a civilized society would be one where you aren't afraid of your fellow citizens and their own private property? I, too have zero need to live in fear. I have not once open carried or concealed carried or have felt the need to carry any gun in any way throughout the US. I have zero fear of my fellow citizen, even if visibly armed. I find it terrible that anyone in a civilized society would.

...oh no, a terrible thought flashed through my head. I'm a little guy. What if there were big dudes with "hand to hand combat training" out there? I don't think that unsafe mastery of the oriental arts should be wielded by killers. What rational defense is there of having the knowledge to kill be in the skillset of my fellow civilized neighbors? FOr the children!

Sorry, soapbox. I just don't see why everyone doesn't adopt the live and let live approach in matters like these. If one neighbor doesn't like guns, and thinks its unsafe, why is it okay for him to legislate his neighbor's ability to buy one? Maybe, just maybe, opinions on guns shaped purely by action movies and news reports on violent incidents is not an adequate gauge on the issue? If you've never driven or even seen a car before, but were exposed to nothing but news on traffic related death and watched Death Race 2000 over and over again would your opinion on cars be similar? Fifty years from now, let's say technology comes to the point where anything can be done with public transportation 100% more safely and efficiently and to a point where there's no conceivable rational reason to "allow" private car ownership. Would you be defending your right to the private ownership of your VX? What would be your reasoning behind this, knowing the terrible, terrible statistic of death involved with widespread ownership of this death machine? What's that, you say? YOu've never killed anyone in your car? You're a responsible driver? Some freedom nonsense?

I dare say our vehicross contributes to more death in the long run collectively than every single board member's guns...

sorry,can of worms opened.

[Marlin]

I dare say our vehicross contributes to more death in the long run collectively than every single board member's guns...

sorry,can of worms opened.

Well said, and so it is with the rest of our freedoms we give up. Once we give away one, it seems so much easier to give away the others.

As for the more deaths, I assume you aren't counting zombies?

[VX KAT]

I still loves ya Sue.
I just have to decide whether I should -

Start blowing my horn when I am 100 mile away, to let you know I'm coming.

OR

Wait until I wrap my arms around you from behind, and whisper in your ear.

Guess it will be No 1 because I wouldn't get past those ferocious dogs of yours. (Or big Dave).

I don't hate guns, I just don't see the need for everyone to walk around armed to the teeth in a supposedly civilised society.
When in the bush (not hunting) I have my knives and special "camping tool", and of course, if I am hunting, I have my rifle, or shottie, which ever is appropriate.

PK

I got a bit dishearted about society after living in Los Angeles/Long Beach for 15 yrs, (especially during the 1991 Rodney King riots) and saw way too many bad & sad things....some within 2 miles of our home.....

I think maybe since the U.S. had to fight for our country's independence, and fought ourselves in the Civil War, that guns, and gun ownership has carried over into our national psyche, which is even reflected in our Constitution (2nd Amendment).

I really admire societies like AUS and CAN that seem to have a less "gun crazy" culture. But I'm not naive enough to believe that outlawing guns in the U.S. would completely solve the problem, as I believe there's some truth in the old adage if you "outlaw guns...only outlaws will have guns".


I don't carry as I don't want to live under that constant "fear of bad guys" mentality, plus I fully realize I'm incapable of drawing in a "reasonable" amount of time. I do it completely for sport & activity, and fun. It gets me out into the woods and mountains, I get to go off-roading to get there, plus I can do it sitting in a lawn chair when needed.


Ah, you must be referring to my "8lbs of sheer terror" Pomeranian! Now how could you not love this sweet little doggie? Oh, just remember not to get a corndog anywhere near him....


And oh yeah PK, ....I vote for #2 above!

[Bulldoggie]

I haven't had a gun since before I was married. I was at too much risk of having them used on me.

It didn't stop the risk of getting stabbed in my sleep