VX Nation... Migration!

[Dallas4u]

Right, and the VX definitely isn't ultra-refined. Even though the SUVs offered by the more lux brands are, I don't see why that means they are not SUVs by nature. Just because they are very nice, expensive, AND capable off road (let me know which one out of the ones listed isn't), doesn't mean they aren't worthy of the label SUV. If someone wants to spend $40k - $80k on something they "could" take off road but are too scared to scratch the paint, then it is up to them... it doesn't mean the automobile can't do the work.

You are correct about the "Utility" in SUV being a personal view as no manufacturer has really put a standard on the word. To me, SUV means a sporty vehicle developed to be used in more of a rugged manner. Trucks are trucky, cars are carish, SUVs... ???

[Daver]

Re: Hamann Cayenne. Hamann == German rice.

Re: migration. I'm in the "no migration" crowd.



-Daver

[Heraclid]

Daver, is there actually a town called Wicked in MA? Cool. Is that from the witch trial days or something? :-)

Pautvx,

Mercedes ML55 AMG. The M-class flagship with a nice little 5.5L engine making about 350 horses at 3000 rpm. 376 ft. lbs torque. It has a electronic traction control system like our TOD. Does 0-60 in just a hair over 6 seconds. This is the one that has it all. Handling still suffers just because it is a tall SUV. And it gets about 13-14 mpg running on premium fuel and costs, oh, about 65K. :-) And it is probably difficult in a lot of off-road situations because it tends to be TOO torquey and needs a lot of finesse.

From what little I think I know, the Lexus RX is a decent off-roader, even though it is based on the Camry platform. The Acura MDX (based on the Honda Odyssey van?) and Mercedes M-class are better. I know the Lexus whoops the VX in horsepower and torque, though. The MDX has more horses under the hood too.

[yal^]

It looks to me like I missed important discussion.
I read through this time, before responding with anything slightly stupid, so let me put my thoughts together.

I stand by what I said - more brands let out cars, especially SUV, that are targeting different type of consumers, as well as they might be on a different quality level to be more reachable. In time most of them do level the quality, and the prize after all.
Speaking off prize, we can throw ridiculous numbers at each other, trying to prove me wrong, but realistically anyone with imagination, instead buying brand new Chevy Malibu for $26K, can spend the same money for two years old Land Rover. Is there any difference? You tell me.

Now, I was going to ask you Dallas4u, to define performance and then apply it to the reality, but you already admitted, you would not dare to spend well over $60K and take it on a dirt road. You got my point, and I even did not say it yet.

As for the Volvo, Dallas4u, you are absolutely right. The moment I submitted my post I realized my mistake. If I ever wanted to be a housewife with soccer team to drive every day, for safety, I want Volvo.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not an extremist in any way. I like to admire nice cars. Even though I might not know much about specifications, and do not fanatically check every new details, my sense of reality tells me things are going in a weird direction.
Let’s take Cadillac. The great days of 50’s are gone, the clientele – delicately speaking is fading away, and so they regrouped and, amongst other models, came up with EXT. Nice car, luxury and performance for some. Even a flatbed! Huh, I want to see anyone who dares to go with this thing to Home Depot and get lumber or a few bags of mushroom compost. Luxury and performance – yes, but where is functionality???

Btw, did you know that the flatbed on EXT has a rubber lining? Try to slide anything off and you will sweat or swear, whatever comes first.

What is it that we understand under “SUV”? What is it that we want from SUV?
Speed? Go get a Corvette. You’ll do better than my friend who spend over $4000 for 22’ rims and high performance tires for his Range Rover, so he can go over 160 MPH… Not enough it looks really dumb, he gets stopped by the police at least one a week.
Then there is power and performance, and cargo space and so on, but it is late and I am tired and have no desire get myself into it

Originally posted by Dallas4u


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By the way... the Mercedes SUV... I always thought looked like a puffy, near-van. I rarely like any Mercedes model. To me, it is just overpriced quasi-luxury. Even Car and Driver said of the new Cadillac CTS that it is the best of both worlds (luxury and performance), if Mercedes is classic luxury and BMW is performance.

Dallas4u: offense non taken as I hope you will not get mad with me now
You admitted yourself; SUV’s are becoming something undefined.

To finish my monolog for tonight, I want to mention my VX and why I love it, although in many aspects it probably sucks. Besides the fact that it simply looks good on me and is what it is it makes me feel safe on the road, because it’s solid. It also lets me sit a little higher then sedan (yes, there are taller SUV’s but who cares at this point?), and since I am not, tall for once I can see a lot more. It also gives me a little satisfaction, when people simply stare – what? At the end I am a woman . And I love the V6 with that package. And…
Now seriously, I do not think everyone here can definitely say what it is so intriguing and good about VX that makes us go crazy. Performance and luxury? Pffff…

Well, good night everyone.

p.s.
Heraclid: thank you

[Moncha]

I don't plan to migrate ever. I'd loose my identity
I may infact buy a yellow Honda S2000 but, I'm keeping Moncha.

As far as the SUV thing, it seems that there is no actual definition per se.
I like to think the VX as what was brought to the fore front long, long ago in one of the other forums as a PUV (Performance Utility Vehicle). I truley believe, "If it makes you happy, that's all that counts".

[Dallas4u]

Originally posted by yal^
but you already admitted, you would not dare to spend well over $60K and take it on a dirt road.

Pardon? I don't remember EVER saying anything to the fact that I wouldn't pay that kind of money and take an auto off road. In fact, I believe my point was that if someone DOES want to pay that kind of money and NOT take it off road, that doesn't make it any less capable.

Originally posted by yal^
As for the Volvo, Dallas4u, you are absolutely right. The moment I submitted my post I realized my mistake. If I ever wanted to be a housewife with soccer team to drive every day, for safety, I want Volvo.

It's up to you. Safety doesn't have to mean the automobile is only to be used as a "soccer mom-ish" ride. Maybe that's what they meant when they handed out the awards... I don't know.

Originally posted by yal^
...came up with EXT. Nice car, luxury and performance for some. Even a flatbed! Huh, I want to see anyone who dares to go with this thing to Home Depot and get lumber or a few bags of mushroom compost. Luxury and performance – yes, but where is functionality???

Btw, did you know that the flatbed on EXT has a rubber lining? Try to slide anything off and you will sweat or swear, whatever comes first.

No argument there. I believe the EXT was based on the Avalanche, correct? Whether you call it an SUV or an SUV/truck hybrid, it's up to you. I'm sure it is still as capable as an Avalanche... maybe even more so, but whomever buys is isn't going to want to scratch it.

Originally posted by yal^
What is it that we want from SUV?
Speed?

My point exactly. You can't define what an SUV is as there has never really been a standard. It has become a personal issue, and everyone thinks they know what an SUV IS

Originally posted by yal^
Dallas4u: offense non taken as I hope you will not get mad with me now

None taken... you have given no reason for me to be upset!

Originally posted by yal^
You admitted yourself; SUV’s are becoming something undefined.

Again, you are correct!

Originally posted by yal^
...although in many aspects it probably sucks.

Ehh, I wouldn't go THAT far!!!

Originally posted by yal^
...At the end I am a woman

I don't know you well enough to make that clarification.

Originally posted by yal^
...And I love the V6 with that package. And…
Now seriously, I do not think everyone here can definitely say what it is so intriguing and good about VX that makes us go crazy. Performance and luxury? Pffff…

I don't understand this statement, but I think you are saying for all that the VX is, it's non-luxury and unrefinement are overshadowed by its performance and good looks. If so, I agree. I bought one, correct?

[Heraclid]

Right now I say I'll keep mine forever. I've said that before though. I mean it this time. Oh, I guess I did last time too. :-) So I don't know. I think I really will hang onto it. It may have to do a lot of sitting around while the money gets saved up in order to do things with it to keep it going strong though. LOL But yeah, right now I'd say it'll still be unleashed every weekend 20 years from now.

[yal^]

Originally posted by Dallas4u
Pardon? I don't remember EVER saying anything to the fact that I wouldn't pay that kind of money and take an auto off road. In fact, I believe my point was that if someone DOES want to pay that kind of money and NOT take it off road, that doesn't make it any less capable.



It's up to you. Safety doesn't have to mean the automobile is only to be used as a "soccer mom-ish" ride. Maybe that's what they meant when they handed out the awards... I don't know.

I rather tried to make a point of the destiny that waits more of the SUV than we can ever imagine

About capabilities of $20K vs. $80K... Please, try not to turn my words around. My point is - why the specs, performance and capabilities if you are affraid to enjoy'em?

No argument there. I believe the EXT was based on the Avalanche, correct? Whether you call it an SUV or an SUV/truck hybrid, it's up to you. I'm sure it is still as capable as an Avalanche... maybe even more so, but whomever buys is isn't going to want to scratch it.

I think there is, maybe not clear enough... Well, maybe it would be more clear if you did not cut out the Home Depo argument. It's not the performance or luxury I am at, what I do not question at all, but ridiculous in my opinion, idea here. Make a decision for crying out loud - is it a car, truck, SUV or what?

My point exactly. You can't define what an SUV is as there has never really been a standard. It has become a personal issue, and everyone thinks they know what an SUV IS

yup, I wouldn't know either. Good thing we agree here

None taken... you have given no reason for me to be upset!

I'll sleep peacfully tonight. As soon as I finish my study... Sometime tomorrow...

Ehh, I wouldn't go THAT far!!!

Hahahahaha... but listen before you start yelling at me. And smile a little. It helps sometimes...

I don't understand this statement, but I think you are saying for all that the VX is, it's non-luxury and unrefinement are overshadowed by its performance and good looks. If so, I agree. I bought one, correct?

There ya go! See how easy this was

And... Good night again.

[Daver]

Originally posted by Heraclid
Daver, is there actually a town called Wicked in MA? Cool. Is that from the witch trial days or something? :-)

Nah, it's just a dig at the natives who love to use phrases like "wicked cool".

But then, I'm originally from Connecticut, and therefore obligated to make fun of Massachusetts natives.

-Daver

[Dallas4u]

Originally posted by yal^
About capabilities of $20K vs. $80K... Please, try not to turn my words around. My point is - why the specs, performance and capabilities if you are affraid to enjoy'em?

I'm not turning your words around at all. The auto companies are making the SUVs... it isn't their fault someone wants to spend the money and not use them to their true capabilities. The problem is that people in the US (or all over the world) live beyond their means. I wouldn't buy a $60k SUV and not use it, even if just a little bit, off road because I can't afford to do so. Now, if $60k to someone wasn't a big deal to spend on a car, they may not think twice about taking it out in the dirt... it isn't the auto manufacturer that is keeping them from doing it.

Originally posted by yal^
I think there is, maybe not clear enough... Well, maybe it would be more clear if you did not cut out the Home Depo argument. It's not the performance or luxury I am at, what I do not question at all, but ridiculous in my opinion, idea here. Make a decision for crying out loud - is it a car, truck, SUV or what?

I didn't cut the Home Depot comment out... it's right there in plain site. It doesn't really matter, though. I think it all goes back to people buying something beyond their means. It doesn't mean it isn't capable, but why spend the money if you wont use it for its capabilities? Besides that, I would consider both the EXT and the Avalanche a truck.

Originally posted by yal^
Hahahahaha... but listen before you start yelling at me. And smile a little. It helps sometimes...

First of all, I'm not yelling. I'm not sure why you'd think I was upset by anything you or anyone else have said. I've been stating my opinions and not trying to be a jacka$$. I've agreed with much of what you said, whether you can see that or not.

Anyway, I guess we should just say (again) that determining what an SUV is would be more personal than fact. So... by saying that, I think the VX is actually a truck with a trunk!

[Reg Hinnant]

Migrate? to what? You must be kidding......
There is nothing out there that will provide as much fun in so many ways as this gocart on steroids.
Nor for the money! And thats the big catch to this whole argument.
Hey yal^ good posts!

[Dallas4u]

Originally posted by Reg Hinnant
Migrate? to what? You must be kidding......
There is nothing out there that will provide as much fun in so many ways as this gocart on steroids.
Nor for the money! And thats the big catch to this whole argument.
Hey yal^ good posts!

I didn't say anything about migrating... to anything. Again... the VX is a great spot between price, performance, and looks.

Jeez... all of this has led my original post off context. My whole point was that just because an auto that LOOKS like what YOU think an SUV should look like, but wasn't made to go off road, or is pretty expensive, or whatever... it doesn't mean it is or isn't an SUV. It's what it is. If the manufacturer advertises it as an SUV, and it was developed to be more utilitarian (also needs to be defined) than a car, then why can't it be an SUV? Does price matter? Does suspension matter?

I guess it really not a big deal. Who really cares, right?

[WyrreJ]

My supercharged VX will K-I-C-K that Bugatti's ass






















offroad!

[yal^]

Originally posted by Dallas4u


First of all, I'm not yelling. I'm not sure why you'd think I was upset by anything you or anyone else have said. I've been stating my opinions and not trying to be a jacka$$. I've agreed with much of what you said, whether you can see that or not.

Anyway, I guess we should just say (again) that determining what an SUV is would be more personal than fact. So... by saying that, I think the VX is actually a truck with a trunk!

Thank you so much for not being a jacka$$.
Yes, I understood exactly what you said to me and clearly understood we agree on the subject completely.
Now forgive me again for bringing a little sense of humor with my speaking here, since net is so "no flavor" way of communication. I definitely like eye to eye combat, conversation I mean, as all the little things we do talking are very helpful to easier understand what another person means. I wonder how discussion IRL would go if ever happened?

Second: a truck with a trunk?!?!?!?!? Very weird, but whatever suits you best, as my boss tends to say...
On the other hand, kinda sounds like you just have to put your foot down. Well, stomp your feet I will be more than happy to carry on further discussion. Just throw a topic...

[yal^]

Originally posted by Reg Hinnant


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Hey yal^ good posts!

Thank you, Thank you :*