Well, Joe Darlington told me it was ok to go ahead and let the cat out of the bag. I have found a VX for Joe D real cheap. It needs a tranny and a few minor things, but I am "brokering" the deal for him. He retires soon and wants to use the VX as a template to make an actual bumper. His plan, make a bumper that looks OEM, but made out of plate steel with winch mount and shackles and whatnot!! He will probably come up with some other goodies, skid plates, rear bumper, who knows, he is awesome when it comes to that stuff and will plenty of time to work on it. He still makes the diff drops of course. I am sure he will chime in soon and start a thread with more info. Maybe I will be able to sweet talk him into a deal on the prototype bumper...hint hint Joe