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    Arrow Natural selection at work

    Though I occasionally bemoan the fact that there's not much "natural selection" left within the confines of a "civilized" society, there's also the other side of the coin to be considered...

    The fact that there are still those out there, who despite the best efforts of an overly litigenous society, which puts warning labels on HOT COFFEE cups, STILL manage to "F" themselves up...In this case, by blowing off his own fool haid, gives me at least SOME small amount of hope for the future of the gene pool...

    I couldn't F'n believe what I was reading...proof POSITIVE that good ol' Fargo will get at the LEAST, an honorable mention in this years Darwin awards...

    Read on...

    http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/325785/

    And yes, I submitted to darwin
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    Reminds me of the guy at the anti-helmet rally this weekend.CRASHED and of course died of head injuries
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Harness View Post
    Reminds me of the guy at the anti-helmet rally this weekend.CRASHED and of course died of head injuries
    I thought the same thing when I read that, but I believe that group was making a point about making helmet laws mandatory. It was not an anti-helmet rally. It was an anti-helmet LAW rally.

    Similar to the seatbelt law, their local government was trying to make helmets REQUIRED. The group called ABATE (American Bikers Aimed Towards Education) states that it encourages the voluntary use of helmets but opposes mandatory helmet laws.

    I wear a helmet (and gloves, and a jacket) when I ride. In fact, I wear a back protector and protective jeans (both by ICON) when I ride on long rides. I encourage all of my friends that ride to be just as safe. I have been in 2 motorcycle accidents and have walked away with only my pride injured so I know how much these things help.

    With that being said....
    I don't believe those items should be required by law. Not wearing a helmet does not affect anyone else but the helmet wearer (and people that care about them)

    Probably more said than what was required for Ldubs natural selection thread, but I read this article yesterday and quickly changed my perspective after reading past the headline.

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    Wow, nice. I bet it was some sort of home made pipe bomb or home made pipe bomb/mortar contraption. Must have launched right into his head. That's why you use realllllly sloooooow burning fuse.

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    Weird, I swear I saw that episode on 1000 Ways to Die on SpikeTV.

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    77 Red, White and Blew July 4, 1983 Happy's Trailer Park
    Lawrence, KS A group of rednecks attempt to celebrate the Fourth of July by launching a homemade firework from a homemade launcher. When it fails to work, one of them looks down the barrel of the launcher, and the firework explodes in his face, shattering his skull into his brain. (Note: This clip features a Wilhelm scream)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin View Post
    Weird, I swear I saw that episode on 1000 Ways to Die on SpikeTV.
    I guess this was an "off season" repeat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfpgasmask View Post
    That's why you use realllllly sloooooow burning fuse.

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    sounds like you have personal experience with homemade/illegal fireworks??? that wouldnt be the case would it?
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    I'd have to disagree...

    Quote Originally Posted by JAMAS View Post
    With that being said....
    Not wearing a helmet does not affect anyone else but the helmet wearer (and people that care about them0

    ....it make all our health & Auto insurance premiums higher
    due to the HIGH cost of caring for / fixing cranial trauma .


    AJBTW... I love/ride bikes, and hate helmets..

    ....but, it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoFotoz View Post
    ....it make all our health & Auto insurance premiums higher
    due to the HIGH cost of caring for / fixing cranial trauma .


    Jo
    I would be curious to see the cost comparison of death from head injury at the scene,as compared to the physical reconstruction of the rest of the person if they survived an otherwise fatal injury thanks to a helmet.

    I am against helmet and seatbelt laws as well. They should do it military style. Get in an accident without a helmet/seatbelt, insurance doesn't pay. Problem solved, you can ride how you like, but its at your own risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoFotoz View Post
    I'd have to disagree...




    ....it make all our health & Auto insurance premiums higher
    due to the HIGH cost of caring for / fixing cranial trauma .


    AJBTW... I love/ride bikes, and hate helmets..

    ....but, it makes sense.

    JMHO

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    Not sure. I guess I would need to see data regarding the tie between helmetless injuries and insurance premiums. Perhaps outlawing fatty foods and cigarettes might do more good in lowering health premiums.

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    And yet there is almost no issue about which you could not make the same authoritarian justification. If the primary determinant regarding government control of individual decisions is merely "is there a social cost", why then no intrusion by the state is unjustified. Mandatory breathalizer interlocks on all new cars, operators licenses for bicycles, banning of toys in happy meals (oh wait they are doing that one in CA). At what point do you draw the line.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoFotoz View Post
    I'd have to disagree...

    ....it make all our health & Auto insurance premiums higher
    due to the HIGH cost of caring for / fixing cranial trauma .

    AJBTW... I love/ride bikes, and hate helmets..

    ....but, it makes sense.

    JMHO

    Jo
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    Having a healthcare degree, working in healthcare and being a Litigation Manager handling medical malpractice litigation for hospitals for over 25 yrs, working for a company that owns hospitals, I have seen, read, reviewed, and heard literally thousands and thousands of medical malpractice allegations. I can offer my opinion from the front row:

    ~ all political parties are adequately represented in claims and lawsuits brought.

    ~ there ARE many MANY frivolous claims and lawsuits, where no injury was sustained, nor any negligence committed. Oh the examples I could give....

    ~ there ARE many MANY legitimate claims and lawsuits, where real injury was sustained, and negligence committed. Oh the examples I could give....

    ~ MANY people either solely cause or contribute to their own injury by doing illogical things. Oh the examples I could give....

    ~ TRULY, some things are acts of God or whatever you want to call it...or whatever diety you wish to insert there....but sometimes things happen and it's nobody's fault. Unfortunately, IMHO, too often some in our society do not like that answer, and wish to capitalize and reap monetary gain from such an incident, regardless of no negligence.

    ~ FAR FAR FAR too many "claimants" try to "hit the lottery" in their financial expectations of a settlement, NOT commensurate with the injury.

    ~ FAR FAR FAR too many juries do not listen to the evidence of a case, as prescribed by law, and decide based on other factors (such as anger, punish, send a message, etc like Mav mentioned)

    ~The COST of frivolous lawsuits ABSOLUTELY impacts healthcare costs. No one's mentioned the DEFENSE COSTS associated with frivolous lawsuits, that's where a ton of money is spent. Hospitals and doctors must hire attorneys and claim reps to defend them in a claim or lawsuit, regardless of its merit -->....yes, the attorneys make a boatload of money---> the malpractice insurance company may have to raise premiums to cover these increased costs --> the doctor may have to raise their fees to pay for their malpractice premium -->and then companies may raise healthcare premiums for their employees. This is an over-simplified example, but it does demonstrate how healthcare costs can be affected by litigation costs. My example doesn't address the "corporate greed" argument.

    ~There's very little effective TORT REFORM in effect, in any State, despite what you've heard.

    California has probably the most effective, and has had for about 30 yrs. Claimants and attorneys often find ways "around" tort reform.

    Louisiana has a "Medical Review Panel" (MRP) where a claimant must first submit their claim to the 3 member physician MRP for review. The panel then votes if the claim is meritorious and allowed to proceed. But I assure you, after my many years of experienced, 99% of claimants proceed with their claim, despite a finding of no negligence by the MRP.... there's ways around this law. So the MRP system (which is a tort refirm attempt) is often ineffective. A few other States have a similar Panel system (Indiana comes to mind), to some degree more effective than LA.

    Tort reform specifics are often misquoted/misrepresented by the media and many advocates, just like the McD's coffee incident has often been mischaracterized. Both "sides" do it, believe me. Opponents of tort reform would have you believe the horribly injured wouldn't be able to collect a dime....when in fact, only certain types of "damages" are ever limited in TR. Pain & Suffering ARE what is limited, NOT the actual medical bills, medical care needed or other financial losses (income, etc...) In a case with very serious injuries, requiring a lifetime of continued medical care and assistance, there's no cap on that amount. In tort reform, there's only a cap on the intangible costs, frequently called pain & suffering.

    As we all just saw with the Casey Anthony verdict, we may not all agree on the verdict rendered, based on what we, the public have seen or heard, but it's our system of justice. Just like virtually anything, there's good and bad about it, and there's always going to be good and bad players in it too, on BOTH sides......

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