Head on with a cop!

[FlyingV77]

the soap box meaning protests, for when the elceted officals ignore the voters. I forgot to includd the jury box. For jurry nulifacation. Ment to be used by the people to nulify bs laws.... can't belive I messed up that bad on that post.

[FlyingV77]

So the path of the boxes would be like this.
Elect some one or a group, they ignor the will of the people so they protest. If they contine to ignore the will of the people then jurrys can nulify laws. If that still doesn't work and elceted offical continue to ignor the people revolt.
The government knows this and is takeing this prosses away. Gun bans. Lawyers get didbared if they mention jurry nullifcation. "Free speach zones". And lastly making the votes not count..... has that ever happen?

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

I'd like to know why my car front ending a cop has become a political thread?
I don't know what the cops are like in your town but in my town they are not there to " protect and serve" as much as to bolster my local economy be writing as many ridiculous tickets as possible to bolster my town and state with it's sagging economy!
Now that no one is working, income taxes are down.. Anyone wanna guess how towns, counties and states gonna make up for that lost income?
By bilking the citizens with exorbitant fees garnered from more tickets and raising your licensing and registration fees.
If it gets any worse I'm gonna be like mad max on the road ,

[ZEUS]

Wasabi, I remember a time when you would not post anything unless it was politically related so it kinda seems natural that it would go this way. However, since there is a democrat in office and things still suck your tone and approach seem to be waaaaay different.

[HOT_WASABI_JUNKIE]

Wasabi, I remember a time when you would not post anything unless it was politically related so it kinda seems natural that it would go this way. However, since there is a democrat in office and things still suck your tone and approach seem to be waaaaay different.

If I made sandwiches for 8 years, do you really think you could eat them all in two years?
I doubt it.
GWB dropped a steamy ton of bowel movement in Obamas lap and now he hides out safely behind his ranch gates. Obama has not been what I hoped for, I think he should have addressed the economy before healthcare and did not deserve a Nobel peace prize just for being black.
I really don't think McCain/Palin would have changed this country for the better either.
If McCain was too dumb to pick a suitable, non mentally challenged running mate he has no business in the oval office, ESPECIALLY at his age.

[circmand]

If I made sandwiches for 8 years, do you really think you could eat them all in two years?
I doubt it.
GWB dropped a steamy ton of bowel movement in Obamas lap and now he hides out safely behind his ranch gates. Obama has not been what I hoped for, I think he should have addressed the economy before healthcare and did not deserve a Nobel peace prize just for being black.
I really don't think McCain/Palin would have changed this country for the better either.
If McCain was too dumb to pick a suitable, non mentally challenged running mate he has no business in the oval office, ESPECIALLY at his age.

BO has not only eaten 8 years of sandwiches in 2 years he wants another 8 years worth for the next 2 years as well. I do not see how you continue to blame GWB for the way things are considering when BO took office we were better off in every way of measurement. It was only the last 2 years of GWB term when the Democrats won the house and Senate that things started getting worse and that was because the Democrats won the House and Senate. Then when BO got there they had all 3 levels and things got even worse.

[FlyingV77]

It was jut the dems turn to win... THEY are the ones that run things. The repubicans and demoraps are two sides of the same coin

[VXR]

The repubicans and demoraps are two sides of the same coin

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[tom4bren]

Just read this thread from front to back.

DANG ... there's 10 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

At least I had the freedom to waste it on whatever I chose.

[crager34]

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Originally Posted by LittleBeast

It is slowly being taken out from under our feet because we have not appreciated it and we have not used the system at all. Although those in power are trying their best to not honor the Constitution it is our duty as voters to give them a wake up call and remind them of our foundations. It is not a perfect system nor will any system that has people involved in it, but it is still the best in the world.

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If this was the case AND people actually believed it, there would be change in the government.

p.s. I haven't got the multi quote thing down yet.

[BigSwede]

Reagan started this runaway deficit train and the Bushs continued to push it down the track. Obama has made the deficit worse, out of desperation when the economy nearly went over the edge due to Republican deregulation of Wall Street. IMO he has barely had a chance to do anything but react to existing problems.

That's the way it looks from here anyway. And I am not a Democrat.

[circmand]

Reagan started this runaway deficit train and the Bushs continued to push it down the track. Obama has made the deficit worse, out of desperation when the economy nearly went over the edge due to Republican deregulation of Wall Street. IMO he has barely had a chance to do anything but react to existing problems.

That's the way it looks from here anyway. And I am not a Democrat.

Given the shape liberal MN is in. Did all the wrong things in the state that the liberals in DC did. Then the people get all upset at the person trying to fix it because now the piper needs paid for years of bad policy. Are you aware that during BOs tenure unemployment and underemployment is over 16%? And that duringthat same period the Federal Government not only got larger but the number of people making over $100,000 a year increased dramatically? You solve the deficit by spending less not more. The percentage of taxes compared to the GNP is at the highest it's ever been and the solution is to make it higher? Thats what the liberals are saying. Of course more government control and government spending is their solution to everything from skyhigh unemployment to failing schools. A recent study actually shows the rate of turnover in Govt jobs is less than 1%. Anything less than 3% is keeping worthless employees.

[BigSwede]

Given the shape liberal MN is in. Did all the wrong things in the state that the liberals in DC did. Then the people get all upset at the person trying to fix it because now the piper needs paid for years of bad policy.

I may be wrong, but it seems like you are agreeing with me.

Are you aware that during BOs tenure unemployment and underemployment is over 16%? And that duringthat same period the Federal Government not only got larger but the number of people making over $100,000 a year increased dramatically? You solve the deficit by spending less not more. The percentage of taxes compared to the GNP is at the highest it's ever been and the solution is to make it higher? Thats what the liberals are saying.

I am NOT disagreeing with you. But you are missing my point - much of the increased spending recently occurred in an attempt to save the economy from a Great Depression-like event. Clamping down on spending was tried by the Hoover administration last time, and it did not work. People who say stimulus spending and bailouts are failure (Republican political candidates, often) because the economy is stagnant fail to allow for the possibility that things might have been much, much worse without the spending.

But, even if this spending saved us from greater pain in the short term, the question becomes - will this bite us in the *** down the road? Probably. Pick your poison.

A recent study actually shows the rate of turnover in Govt jobs is less than 1%. Anything less than 3% is keeping worthless employees.

I am currently working (as a contractor) in a federal building. About half the people I see walking around strike me as marginally employable in the private sector. A superficial assessment to be sure, but it agrees with your stats.

[vt_maverick]

But, even if this spending saved us from greater pain in the short term, the question becomes - will this bite us in the *** down the road? Probably. Pick your poison.

And this is the problem. Decades of choosing the short-term fix without addressing the long term problem. It's not a matter of "picking your poison" - sometime, somewhere we HAVE to pick the short-term pain. We wait until we're almost out of (other people's) money before we address the issue, and even then all most politicians want to address is how to bridge us to the next crisis. I'm tired of Band-Aids, they need to fix the problem.

[Osteomata]

It strikes me as unnecessarily simplisitc, even absurd, to lay the annual budget deficits and long term national debt at the feet of either, rather than both, modern national parties and their leadership. Both parties are spend mad, just generally on different things, although they are both willing to bleed us all for the projects and line items that support their own reelection bids. Both parties also have minority voices that have long called for fiscal sanity and even been willing to make potentially dangerous (in terms of reelection) concessions to get it, although they clearly approach how to get there from different revenue and expenditure perspectives.

I think my conservative friends tend to downplay the danger that two groups of freshmen GOP House members represent: those who believe that defaulting on the national debt is actually not a bad thing, and the less crazy but unreasonable ones that will not exchange in negotiation even slight revenue increases in exchange for significant spending cuts, say a 75/25 percent split.
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I think my progressive and liberal friends too quickly paint the entire tea party with a crazy brush for their insistance on addressing a very real and dangerous long term fiscal solvency problem, when it is continueing with the status quo of the last couple of decades that is the true path of insanity.

As for BO himself, his economic model is pretty mainstream, and the majority of professional economists do seem to think that stimulus during recession is, if not the ideal, then at least pretty defensible as a tactic. I think the "cars for clunkers" was incredibly stupid from any perspective other than "we all like free stuff", but the majority of his budget and monetary policies have been pretty mainstream, hardly controversial at all outside of the amplified arena of partisan politics.

The future national debt problem is solvable with significant defense cuts, raising the social security retirement age by two years phased in starting a few years from now, and medicare means testing. Get the GOP to go along with the first, the Dems the last, and good luck with the middle one. But all three will be required.