Advice Needed - Afraid to Turn / Rollover

[Crasca]

I freakin' LOVE this forum!

[Vendetta]

...My wrench says sway bar. Does this still sound right to those of you in the know here? Also, The Energy Suspension bushings, are those that JoFotoz listed still the optimal choice? And while I have my wallet out for the sway and bushings (if indeed that's the collective response here), are they any other tidbits like new bump stops (suggested model?) I should get BEFORE I go full monty and do the shocks? Remember, OME913s and 285/65 R18s.

I welcome the wisdom.
-V

Great, now I'm starving for a really good burger. But I'm hoping to re-hijack this thread just long enough to get answers to the above.
-V

[RickOKC]

Great, now I'm starving for a really good burger. But I'm hoping to re-hijack this thread just long enough to get answers to the above.
-V

What make/model tire? Could there be something about the stiffness and/or height of the sidewalls that affects this? How often do you experience the squirreliness?

I have one intersection on my way to work that scares the heck out of me at 40 MPH. The '08 Mustang sez "it ain't no big deal" but my former 2002 Ranger Edge (tall tires, 3" factory lift) acted the same was as the VX.



Just throwin' stuff out there hoping someone else might have an "ah-ha!" moment.

[Robbomaz]

I've got this same problem. And this was happening before my new OME 913s, wheels and tires.

It's like this. At any speed above say 40mph or so, if I hit bumps, the rear tires don't feel like they track correctly and land out of plane with my direction of travel. It's kind of hairy. Can't tell if this is happening in the front also, because the yaw from the rear is far more pronounced.

The bumps don't need to be huge. At all. Just enough turbulence to left the tires and I'm feeling it. So I can't imagine that the bump stops are coming into play here. Especially after my lift.

My wrench says sway bar. Does this still sound right to those of you in the know here? Also, The Energy Suspension bushings, are those that JoFotoz listed still the optimal choice? And while I have my wallet out for the sway and bushings (if indeed that's the collective response here), are they any other tidbits like new bump stops (suggested model?) I should get BEFORE I go full monty and do the shocks? Remember, OME913s and 285/65 R18s.

I welcome the wisdom.
-V

What LDub says but something else to maybe consider: Mine (NOT a VX) used to give you a 'corkscrew' feeling over speed bumps & the like when it first hit the road - a session on a four wheel alignment machine showed the rear axle was at a slight angle in the chassis, showing 10mm of toe over the 3100mm wheelbase. This moved what the operator called the 'drive angle' slightly off centre, which made the car corkscrew as it corrected itself.
The operator (with vast experience setting up race/rally/drift cars) described drive angle as a equilateral triangle drawn from the rear axle the length of the wheelbase, the 'point' of which was the axle centreline. This point needed to be a close as possible to the centre point between the front wheels.
What I'd done when building the car was tighten up the rear links while the car was on stands - loosening all the links with the cars weight on the suspension and rocking the car the axle squared itself and problem solved.

[Ldub]

What LDub says but something else to maybe consider: Mine (NOT a VX) used to give you a 'corkscrew' feeling over speed bumps & the like when it first hit the road - a session on a four wheel alignment machine showed the rear axle was at a slight angle in the chassis, showing 10mm of toe over the 3100mm wheelbase. This moved what the operator called the 'drive angle' slightly off centre, which made the car corkscrew as it corrected itself.
The operator (with vast experience setting up race/rally/drift cars) described drive angle as a equilateral triangle drawn from the rear axle the length of the wheelbase, the 'point' of which was the axle centreline. This point needed to be a close as possible to the centre point between the front wheels.
What I'd done when building the car was tighten up the rear links while the car was on stands - loosening all the links with the cars weight on the suspension and rocking the car the axle squared itself and problem solved.

That's some good info...VXinfo that is, right there Mr Rob....

[Robbomaz]

That's some good info...VXinfo that is, right there Mr Rob....

Thankyewvellymuch
It felt very odd on my truck with maybe a metre more wheelbase, would have been a whole lot more 'entertaining' on a short VX

[Ldub]

Thankyewvellymuch
It felt very odd on my truck with maybe a metre more wheelbase, would have been a whole lot more 'entertaining' on a short VX

Yep, when I had "the wagglies" back there, it would "get interesting" to the point where it would pitch left & right hard enough to get me outta the skinny...

Cruise control wasn't used during that period.

[Vendetta]

5x5, Dub. But I'm not worrying about rollin' her, I'm just saying this tracking problem is something that's NOT the same way it was back when I bought her. It's downright white-knuckle inducing. And this from a guy who's no stranger to stiff suspensions and extremely hard driving, trust me.

I swear, if I hit an icy patch and bumps? It's gonna be over. And IHaveVXParts will have a new wreck to part out. You all wouldn't want that now, would you? (Would you?)

-V

[Ldub]

(Would you?)

-V

Ummmmm...no!

[Ldub]

NOW I get what you're talk'n about Ven...

Here ya go...

http://www.vehicross.info/forums/sho...ghlight=waggly

[Vendetta]

Would you...?



Dub, that's not quiiiiiite what I'm talking about, but it could be a contributing factor, so I will certainly have it looked at when I get to the shop. Imagine what you were experiencing, probably as or even more dramatic, but only when you hit a rough patch in the road.

-V

[Ldub]

Would you...?



Dub, that's not quiiiiiite what I'm talking about, but it could be a contributing factor, so I will certainly have it looked at when I get to the shop. Imagine what you were experiencing, probably as or even more dramatic, but only when you hit a rough patch in the road.

-V

I'm digg'n it Bro, one thing that I forgot to post in the orig thread...going over a bump inna road @ hwy speed, would cause the rear to pitch back & forth, & continue to do so until I backed off the skinny.

[Ldub]

Would you...?

yaw yaw yaw...yaw...yaw...

[VXobsession]

hi All -

a VX that can take a corner like a lower small sports compact without buying wider tires and/or lowering. BTW, i have all stock parts.

thanks for any help!

Just for the record, I have an all-stock VX with no lift or lowering, no big wide tires, just normal street tires. I think the problem a lot of people have who are new to the VX is that they just don't know how to drive one. It is shorter than anything you've probably ever driven, other than a tiny car. I've never off roaded mine, except for the occasional dirt road. Mine is technically my street runner. There are roads here in Arkansas that are so curvy, I'm talking about 20 mph curves....and I've taken those curves at 60. I've taken 45 mph curves at 90. This magnificent vehicle is the most amazing thing I've ever driven, as long as you're a driver and not just an operator. STAY IN THE TROTTLE. That's the trick. NEVER brake around corners. If you do, you'll surely feel the ***** of it wanting to throw you off the road. Brake before them if you need to slow a little, but hit the gas going around them. Take the weight off the front....you will feel the weight shift. This IS a sports car, regardless of how many of you lift, throw on huge tires, and grunt around on big rocks. This thing was made for rally racing, not rock crawling...that's why it has TOD. I've not seen one VX member on here that actually uses theirs for its truest purpose. I feel like they're all held back and prevented from stretching their legs....like caged lions. I would say "all" but I'm just gonna say "some", of you have no idea what your VX's are capable of....

[JoFotoz]

WOW...thats a statement.......

I would say "all" but I'm just gonna say "some", of you have no idea what your VX's are capable of....

Well shucks.......I'll just continue to drive it to the rocks...

.......like the true SUV it is.

Then I'll "grunt around on some big rocks"..and drive it home...

...... like the true SUV it is.


And frankly, if the VX is really the "most amazing thing" you've ever driven...

..you've got some more to do!!


IMO..a large part of the beauty of the VX, is its inherent versatility...
.....its chameleon like qualities, that allow it to be many things...


....to many people.





jo