how many are left?

[evillecutter]

we all know that blue book value is a joke - things sell for what people can get for them - with the vx it was amazing to me that i could get one as cheap as i did - its an awesome vehicle and its little quirks i think just add to its unique personality

my question is this: has anyone ever tried to do a count of how many of them are actually still on the road? and even if that number is close to how many were actually produced worldwide what is stopping all the current owners from making the vx worth as much as we want to? any other limited production vehicle that is worth a crap goes up in value every year not down - if we all refused to sell our vx's for less than $20,000 regardless of condition, they would all be worth at least $20,000 would they not? - just a thought

[housertl]

Just an argument to play devils advocate; I once had a conversation about comic book values with my Dad. He told me that if I can't walk into a comic book store and sell an issue "valued" by the price guide at $100 for $100, it isn't worth $100. Sure, we could unionize and standardize the price at $20k, but until they were selling at that price consistently (as opposed to just one poor schmuck who overpaid), then the value wouldn't be at that level.

[evillecutter]

look at classic muscle cars - i have a 68 firebird and they made whole lot more of those than they did vx's - every year my car gets worth more and more - why, because every year there are less and less of them on the market - of course if you go to a resale shop you arent going to get what you could out of anything compared to retail - they have to make a profit - which always made me wonder why people traded their cars in for nothing at a dealer - the dealer tells you hes giving you so much for it but in actuality he is giving you half of what he tells you and taking the rest off of the msrp which he would do anyways if you haggle - anyways, i see your point but you also have to be able to see mine - its hard for something so rare and so cool to keep depreciating in value - no other cars in history have - anyways, i agree for this to work all owners would have to be unanimous, but with today's technology i dont think it would be that hard to get 4000 people on the same page

[Y33TREKker]

Just an argument to play devils advocate; I once had a conversation about comic book values with my Dad. He told me that if I can't walk into a comic book store and sell an issue "valued" by the price guide at $100 for $100, it isn't worth $100. Sure, we could unionize and standardize the price at $20k, but until they were selling at that price consistently (as opposed to just one poor schmuck who overpaid), then the value wouldn't be at that level.

And to play devils advocate to that, yes we could unionize and standardize our ASKING prices at $20k, but we'd also have to show the solidarity and consistency that included being willing to PAY $20k when we (as current or past owners) were looking to BUY one.

[JoFotoz]

And to play Devils advocate X3 !

We've all agreed to a 20K minimum...

...but then I get ill/need money for kids education/etc ..etc..
...as WILL happen.

POOF!

End of price fixing....

jo

[evillecutter]

And to play Devils advocate X3 !

We've all agreed to a 20K minimum...

...but then I get ill/need money for kids education/etc ..etc..
...as WILL happen.

POOF!

End of price fixing....

jo

20k was just a random figure - sky's the limit when you cant buy something new anymore - just watch a barrett jackson auction - insanity

[Breezy]

I would love to have sold at 20k lol, but life gets in the way for waiting and waiting for someone wanting to spend so much.

[eternal21]

Don't know, but I get stopped *all the time* about it (now that it has been lifted and has appropriate wheels/tires on it), and people a) tell me that they've never seen one before and/or b) ask me what dealership I picked it up from and how much it costs *lol*

Dunno about y'all, but I'd sell my E90 M3 before I sold my VX.

[evillecutter]

Don't know, but I get stopped *all the time* about it (now that it has been lifted and has appropriate wheels/tires on it), and people a) tell me that they've never seen one before and/or b) ask me what dealership I picked it up from and how much it costs *lol*

i took all the isuzu badges off and tell them its a lamborghini and if you have to ask you can't afford it

[JoFotoz]

Ummm...

i took all the isuzu badges off and tell them its a lamborghini and if you have to ask you can't afford it

...perhaps its you who cant afford the Lambo


The 20k..or whatever price really doesnt matter......
By its very nature, the VX attracts individualistic owners.....

......... getting all owners to agree, would be like herding cats.

Getting them all to STICK TO THAT AGREEMENT......

jo

[Y33TREKker]

What would be so hard about getting all owners to agree to wanting to SELL at $20k? As can be read by anyone when looking into NADA, KBB, Edmunds, etc, those prices/values are simply suggestions for current market pricing, but exotics, collectibles, and otherwise unique vehicles (such as the VX) are actually beholding to no such guidelines. Something that's already been mentioned, Barret-Jackson, is a prime example.

It's not about VX buyers being individualistic, it's the being willing to BUY at that same $20k that has been and most likely always will be the glitch in the scenario where the VX is concerned. Buying low and selling high is obviously what everyone who wants to view themselves as a savvy consumer prefers, but the simple fact is that it runs counter to what is being proposed in this thread.

[rsteinmetz70112]

Part of the reason muscle cars sell for so much is the people buying them now wanted one when they were in high school and couldn't have one. These cars also have more of a mind share in the culture because they were mass marketed.

The VX was always a specialty and never garnered the reputation when it was new that people really remember it. There is also a huge difference between a car 43 years old and one barely 10 years old. In 1979 or 80 I doubt a 69 Firebird was worth all that much. You can still probably find a few well worn ones pretty cheap, that's where all of the new builds come from. It would be interesting to plot the price of a car like that over time and see when they stopped depreciating and started up. I wonder what a VX will be worth in 2043?

I never liked the Firebird's much anyway. I was always more partial to the 66/67 GTOs

[JoFotoz]

Well Trekker, I figured this was hypothetical fun banter...
...hence the "cat herding"

We've already experienced other areas where VX owners
dont agree on things, even some for the common good.

But hey ...if you say its not so hard ......


...have at it.



Consider me member #1 in the price fixing club.....
....and I'll give ya 10% of the 20k I get for my VX...

.... for your trouble


jo

[JoFotoz]

X2...

Part of the reason muscle cars sell for so much is the people buying them now wanted one when they were in high school and couldn't have one. These cars also have more of a mind share in the culture because they were mass marketed.

The VX was always a specialty and never garnered the reputation when it was new that people really remember it. There is also a huge difference between a car 43 years old and one barely 10 years old. In 1979 or 80 I doubt a 69 Firebird was worth all that much. You can still probably find a few well worn ones pretty cheap, that's where all of the new builds come from. It would be interesting to plot the price of a car like that over time and see when they stopped depreciating and started up. I wonder what a VX will be worth in 2043?

Yup

Jo

[evillecutter]

still havent got an answer on how many might actually be left out there... there was what, 6000 total between us and japan? i know just by looking through the archives on this website that quite a few have been scrapped - prob no way of knowing for sure but i cant help thinking about it