Scary Stuff

[VXR]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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[VXR]

Another good one:

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty -Thomas Jefferson

[bearandbee]

I'm shocked that so many are ready to sacrifice the constitution and freedom

[Y33TREKker]

I'd personally rather wait until more objective facts are in regarding one possibly biased story before I jump on any bandwagon that is suggesting the government is trying to take away my liberties.

[bearandbee]

What's left to take away? Between the patriot act and ndaa there is nothing left.

[JoFotoz]

I agree...

I'd personally rather wait until more objective facts are in regarding one possibly biased story before I jump on any bandwagon that is suggesting the government is trying to take away my liberties.

......with the codicil that takes into account REAL personal safety.

Next time you fly...enter a court...go to a game...

...ponder personal safety, ponder peace of mind.

I am not a fan of the erosion of liberty/freedom..etc.

But I am a ( huge) fan of living without fear.

It's a huge Catch 22...

No easy answer...

Jo

[Scott Larson]

What's left to take away? Between the patriot act and ndaa there is nothing left.

Tell that to the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Syrians, or the Iranians, or the...(Fill in the blank.)

[Y33TREKker]

I just think that learning more context surrounding the "strident anti-government" messages, and especially the "sharpen my axe..." comment would be helpful for starters.

A person makes such comments in a public forum, aren't a few raised red flags to be expected? It'd be different if the guy had said that stuff in his garage over a few beers with some like-minded buddies, but he apparently didn't.

[rsteinmetz70112]

And nobody knows what he said in the interview that prompted police to detain him.

I've been in a situation where a fellow student went over the edge. It was a sudden, unexpected, very uncomfortable and stressful situation. He was taken to a health care facility for evaluation. Within 24 hours he was dead. There was no political agenda only a person in crisis.

[JoFotoz]

This thread is very interesting...

The US go is detaining a Marine veteran...
....for his patriotic face book posts. His name is Brandon Rub.

...but we, ( certainly me included!) have strayed from the genesis.


To wit....

What is "patriotic".


Not a term easily defined these days....and often, simply banal party line rhetoric.


Frankly.....it's uber SUBJECTIVE.

Is it Patriotic to squeal on your neighbor...if you have a REAL FEAR?
?
Is it Patriotic to bitch about getting searched at the airport...
...but ya fly with a sense of calm???
?

Back to subjective IMO!

And , here...this will ensue >....


Jo

[rsteinmetz70112]

Completely agree.

This thread started with a POLITICAL STATEMENT, not a statement of concern for a man in trouble.

[VXR]

Completely agree.

This thread started with a POLITICAL STATEMENT, not a statement of concern for a man in trouble.

and???

[FlyingV77]

He is in trouble, and that worries me. They are going to pump him full of drugs and try to get a false confession for something.

[Scott Larson]

And you know this how??

[Y33TREKker]

and???

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This thread was started with a political statement, which was then directly followed by a second political statement from Fox News (an obvious 24/7 anti-democratic reporting "news" channel) masquerading as a faux source of legitimate moral outrage regarding a possible imagined loss of personal liberties.

While the second post may in fact have been intended as simply a statement of concern for a man in trouble, it's still somewhat disingenuous given what most know about Fox News. So rather than be a source for future debate, maybe it'd be best to simply view this instance as an illustration of the importance of choosing sources for backing up a persons' own personal sentiments?