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    thanks for the replies guys...I've been brainstorming this ceramic-coating idea since I've come across other intake tubes for other vehicles advertised as such...an example is here:

    http://www.focussport.com/coolflo.htm

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    FocusSport Cool-Flo Air Intake System
    FocusSport is proud to offer the Cool-Flo air intake system. Don't be fooled by other systems offering no protection from engine heat. This unit comes complete with our heat shield and rubber seal that meets up with the hood to reduce the surrounding air intake temperature by as much as 50% when compared to our competitor's versions. By reducing intake temperatures we are able to take advantage of the cooler (more dense) air resulting in improved throttle response, better combustion, and more power.
    Other features include all tig-welded construction and polished ceramic coating to aid in heat deflection.

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    I see that this particular "cold-air" setup would be longer than our tube so perhaps the coating would benefit a longer tube more than our short one and I already knew that insulating the tube wouldn't benefit us if we're simply drawing in hot air at the filter...I thought that using the existing hole as MrCrowley suggests along with perhaps either ducting more air via nacta ducts along with a heat shield would allow cooler air to enter and some sort of insulation such as ceramic or otherwise would keep the air cool 'til it reaches the engine. I am somewhat concerned with the close approximatie of the upper radiator hose to the intake tube which is unavoidable...so I figure insulate it so long as you are drawing in cool air....a waste to insulate if you are drawing in hot air.

    This intake-tube along with a good hood insert Mod/complete hood design Mod that would extract heat away from the hood compartment would probably be the best way to go.
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    Apologies on my earlier posting as I didn't specify you should always attempt to draw in cool charge-air whenever you can. As for the ceramic coating on intakes, it's just a bunch of marketing hype. Yes, you could probably discerne a measurable difference in the intake air, but only a few degrees at best. Now if the ceramic coating were several millimeters thick with an air gap, that's another story entirely. In any case, take a look at professional race cars that are turbo-charged to see how they handle their intake cooling. You'll notice there's not much there other than high-quality fittings except for heat shields around the turbo area. Why? Ambient temperature again. Whatever coating or insulation you put on there is going to stabilize at whatever the consistent underhood temperature is. That's just plain physics. Heat shields and such are used with great effectiveness to protect from radiant heat sources, like exhaust manifolds and turbos that get really hot. We don't have these things under the VX hood. Find a good source of cool air (fender, snorkel etc.) and get it to the engine. Don't waste your $$$ on coating the intake.

    If you're really serious about getting a denser air charge to the engine, which is why you want it cool, then invest in the supercharger or look into water injection. Water injection would be the most economical and offers a great deal of adjustment and flexibility. Otherwise you may want to look at that JDM ground-strap on eBay. I hear it comes with a bridge now... ;pg;
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    The best thing you can do is start out with as cold as possible air going into the pipe. Remember that air is not just sitting in there waiting to get hot, especally at RPM, it is in and out rather quickly.

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    Originally posted by Jolly Roger VX'er
    Looks really nice! You might want to see if anybody would be also interested in a version that fits supercharged VX's as well!
    I would need a donor car to prototype on to do this but it is a possibility if someone close to me is willing
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    I am in South Texas if you need me...
    oops, don't have an SC, sorry, but I am willing to test anything else!

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    Thanks guys for the info...I wasn't sure if these ceramic-coated intakes such as for the Ford Focus were as Joe Black stated mostly "marketing hype" or not. I follow your line of reasoning and it makes good sense. I am familiar with turbos and the advantage of utilizing an intercooler to cool the compressed charge about to be fed into the cylinders during the intake stroke thus minimizing the risk of detonation.

    If it wasn't for my factory warranty I'd have a supercharger slapped on my VX already!

    I'm looking for a promising intake set-up like this one along with an exhaust mod of some sort and whatever good hood insert mod/hood mod Joe Black or others can concoct because it "shouldn't" void the warranty if one can reverse "i.e. change-out" the intake mod back to the stock set-up if there is a problem down the road.

    again...thanks for the food for thought on this...and thanks to Morgan-tec for creating this intake!
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    I also build custom mufflers for any application, if anyone would be intrested.

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    I also build custom mufflers for any application
    Really? Think you could tackle one for my 1947 Caterpillar D6?

    Seriously, if it was reasonable I'd like to get one in stainless that approximates the appearance of the OEM unit. I've got plenty of pictures!

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    Originally posted by MrCrowley
    Pull cooler air from the hole in the inner fender and just replace the stock airbox with one that holds a cone in it. Cooler air coming in from the hole is better than insulating warmer air with ceramic coat (probably cheaper too) plus- no hood seal.
    I heard someone suggest removing the insulation was good... as well dynamatted the hood in some way. Any thoughts????
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    Originally posted by Joe_Black
    Really? Think you could tackle one for my 1947 Caterpillar D6?

    Seriously, if it was reasonable I'd like to get one in stainless that approximates the appearance of the OEM unit. I've got plenty of pictures!

    hhhmmmmm. well a D6 huh....i bet i can try..... j/k
    Anyways i can build you one that will wled right in where the stock one was, please check my site for prices and sound clips;
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    do u build custom exhaust systems?
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    Originally posted by MZ-N10
    do u build custom exhaust systems?
    No just the mufflers, you would take my muffler to a shop and have them install and or build you a new system for it. I am working on getting a bender but that is atill a ways off for now.

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    can you please explain what the intake does? Does it add power & what about gas comsumpsion? Does it save gas or burn more? Thx , Btuce

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    the intake itself shouldnt add fuel comsumption.....

    adding cold air shouldnt increase fuel consumption...it should give u more horsepower so u should acutally get better milage per gallon
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    Last edited by MZ-N10 : 09/05/2011 at 03:26 PM

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    The intake kit lets your engine breath a lot more air into the throttle body faster. This makes more hp, and really increases your throttle response. I did get 1.6 more mpg on average by what my stock computer said.

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