E85 in the VX? Trooper? Rodeo? Axiom?

[Polie]

Sorry to dig up a 7 year old thread, but I searched!!!!

Anyways I was thinking of trying 1/3 of a tank after reading this:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9145952AAdI3ge

Found it at $3.17 vs $3.76

[89Vette]

From the Corvette Forum, here's a thread that might answer some related gas vs. ethanol questions.

Post #22 on the 2nd page is the most informative.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-t...asoline-2.html

(FWIW, I also noticed recently that E15 has been approved. Said you can only use it in 2001 and greater automobiles because the fuel systems were mandated by then. This doesn't jive with the 1993 comment.)

[Chopper]

burning alcohol is an easier conversion in older, carburated engines....
I'd be real iffy about E85 in the Isuzu. It requires changing seals and lines and a bunch of crap. It can be done
LP gas conversions were real popular back when too. LP is clean, cheap, American, cheap, and plentiful. I've just never seen it done on anything newer than a MGB.
Brits even ran on a type of Bar-B-Q fumes during the war. Saw one of those at Amelia Island a few years back

[89Vette]

burning alcohol is an easier conversion in older, carburated engines....
I'd be real iffy about E85 in the Isuzu.

No way I've got great knowledge of this forum yet, but I do try my share of searches on a given topic. FWIW, I have done one on tuning the Vehicross and I haven't found threads where it looks like people have successfully accomplished it.

Until that happens (or unless I missed it), Chopper's statement may have some truth in the VX community. Beyond that, many people have done their own programming for an E85 conversion...especially in the FORD/GM circles. That's because E85 makes more power (and uses more fuel).

I'll be interested in this project for the success/failure of the ECU programming....hoping that OEM unit is successfully reprogrammed vs getting replaced.

[Polie]

there are lost of dual fuel, LP and petrol down here in PHX. The only thing I could see would be needing to add MMO to the fuel for e85. (Marvels Mystery Oil)

[89Vette]

there are lost of dual fuel, LP and petrol down here in PHX. The only thing I could see would be needing to add MMO to the fuel for e85. (Marvels Mystery Oil)

WTH? You're smoking what again?

[Polie]

Summer yea dude not really a new concept. Almost all the phx metro work trucks are dual fuel and you can have your car/truck modified as well for $5-$7k. No yearly tags, perm hov privileges, no emissions, and super cheap fuel.

Immortal with the e85 to help lubricate the pump, upper topend, and keeps the fuel lines healthy with running that much alcohol. I had to use it with all of my classic cars including my cherry 68 beetle.

[twalker920]

You're going to need a bigger gas tank because your mpg is going to take a huge hit. Aside from any other programming, sealing, whatever, you might need to do, on our VXs a hit in mileage is not something to look forward to.

Whatever range you get out of a tank now in your VX, figure 70% of that on E85. E85 has 33% less energy per unit volume than pure gasoline.

http://www.epiphergy.com/uploads/E85...ound_2_web.pdf

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/...ison-test.html

Plus the fact that until all E85 is made from non-food-grade sources (such as "switchgrass") it hurts the economy when farmers grow corn for fuel instead of food. Right now it is mostly made from corn, with some food crop waste (rice husks, corn husks) being used. No large volume non-food sources are economically up to speed yet.

And if you're planning on making and storing your own E85, be aware of the emissions the stuff has while in storage, and how to store it safely. I am a Mechanical Engineer in the oil and gas engineering business (I know - the bad guys, I'm sorry), and we had one client that was switching a fleet vehicle tank farm from gasoline to E85, and had to spend many thousands of dollars modifying the tanks to safely store the E85.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

[tysamigo]

Soooooo.... theoretically.... how much would an E85 or full ethanol conversion cost?

[Polie]

Soooooo.... theoretically.... how much would an E85 or full ethanol conversion cost?

fuel lines and keep a spare fuel pump.

[89Vette]

Summer yea dude not really a new concept. Almost all the phx metro work trucks are dual fuel and you can have your car/truck modified as well for $5-$7k.

That's a whole lot different that adding MMO to make it work. Sometimes, it helps to splain a few things dude.

To take real advantage, rebuilding the engine and raising the compression should be added to the cost. At least it would generate more power than stock.

[Polie]

That's a whole lot different that adding MMO to make it work. Sometimes, it helps to splain a few things dude.

To take real advantage, rebuilding the engine and raising the compression should be added to the cost. At least it would generate more power than stock.

Ok dude, its easy you just add 1/4c to gas tank before you fill up with e85.

Why would you need to raise compression with a rebuild, then you would not have the ability to use both petrol/e85 and LP? The computer is flashed to advance the timing when you do use LP for a much more efficient burn. Sure you lose 5% power but you gain soooo much more with LP.

Thanks dude, have a good one dude, and google is your friend dude.


EDIT Dude:

Heres used trucks for reference.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/2957119736.html

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2956847771.html

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2909516376.html

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2947382714.html

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2892440674.html



Now back on topic to e85.................dude

[89Vette]

Ok dude, its easy you just add 1/4c to gas tank before you fill up with e85.

Your posts on E85 are the biggest bunch of dribble I've seen. MMO is not the only thing necessary for an E85 conversion. Craigslist ads for propane-friendly trucks are even worse as support of this MMO B.S. That's right....B.S.

Use of dude doesn't help your case either. Makes you sound like a teen who wears pants too low. Are you a teen?

In the vette forum, they'd label you as a troll. I'm guessing you have no idea about the limits of non-flex-fuel ECU fuel management limitations.

[Polie]

Well, that is the topic, dude. Dude, what is the deal with all the dudes, dude? I'd be really surprised, dude, if 1/4c of MMO is the only thing you need to do to get VX's to run on E85, dude. And,dude, I don't mean barely run either dude. I'd be willing to bet money on this dude. I'd be willing to call "B.S." on your MMO post above, dude. Oh yeah, I did dude. And, a bunch of links to propane-burning trucks has nothing to do with your response, dude. But, you already know that, dude. You're the master of the obvious, dude.

Dude, use your search to point to the topic of this thread, dude. E85 in VX's dude. Haven't seen them mentioned in here before, Dude. Haven't even seen anyone successfully reflash the VX ECU either, dude. And, dude, to learn that, I used search of this forum, dude.

Now I get it, dude! If you think someone is obnoxious, just use dude all the time. It's condescending!

OTOH, some people like to share how to do things -- as they've learned to do them on their own, dude. Others, just dribble on and on, dude.

Actually I was not being condescending, you just took it that way first off. Quite being a jackass. I way over used dude because I took you comet as being condensing, so go ***** yourself.

The reason I suggested Marvels was for the lubrication properties and to help prevent drying out fuel lines that may not have been designed for that much alcohol. Try talking to older gearheads or the thousands of VW owners that use the stuff to keep our stock fuel line and rubber in the stock fuel pumps that where not designed to run on ever 10% from drying and breaking apart.

Again, as per-another website.

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=73061

And I believe this is the correct kit:

http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Detail?no=118


EDIT: For what its worth, you did start the douche baggery with this post:

WTH? You're smoking what again?

[Moncha]

Ok, ok.... Agree to disagree and knock it off.