XBox 360 and you....

[Maugan_VX]

How can you be a Sony fan after the latest Sony/BMG fiasco?

yes the new xbox will play your old xbox games.

You'll even be able to download existing xbox games on xbox live.

And what exactly is the point of 50gb bluray? So square can make their games COMPLETE FMV movies instead of the 99% they are now?

[LittleBeast]

[QUOTE=nocturnalVX]I have read quite a few articles about the Xbox 360, but not one answered my only question... will the new system play "old" Xbox games?QUOTE]
The $400 model WILL DEFINITELY play old XBOX games in fact the 360 has hardware (or software?) built in that will immediately increased the graphics of old XBOX games. This has already been tested by www.ign.com on Halo 2 and they did a write up on it and said pretty much the edges of all objects are more defined and clear, and ok say you are looking at a flat rock wall the 360 will automatically make depth to the wall giving it "edges". How this really looks is yet to be seen by me, but as the testers said the effects are minimal but noticable. But yes the more expensive $400 model will be reverse compatible. Hope that helps.
In Christ,
Ryan H

[Amack76]

both of these previous post are only partially true.

only about two hundred games are compatable at launch.

its like this, xbox uses a completely diff gpu than x360 so you have to emulate the older games, this is where the hard drive (included in the $400 model) and xbox love come into play. you insert disc xbox live checks for emulator, if its available it downloads and saves to hard drive. if not tough luck and you gotta wait, they are gonna add more and more as time goes on but not all games will be compatable. this is the list of games that will work at launch IF YOU HAVE THE HARD DRIVE.

Alias
Aliens vs. Predator: Extinction
All Star Baseball 2003
Amped
Army Men: Sarge's War
Atari Anthology
ATV Quad Power Racing 2
Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 2
Barbarian
Barbie Horse Adventure
Batman Begins
Battle Engine Aquila
Battlestar Galactica
Blinx 2
BMX XXX
Brute Force
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Chaos Bleeds
Cabela’s Dangerous Hunts
Cabela’s Outdoor Adventures 06
Cabela's Deer Hunt 2005
Cabela's Deer Hunt: 2004 Season
Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth
Call of Duty: Finest Hour
Casino
Catwoman
Chicago Enforcer
Circus Maximus
Close Combat: First to Fight
Colin McRae 4
Combat Elite
Commandos 2
Conflict: Desert Storm
Constantine
Crash Bandicoot: Twinsanity
Crash Nitro Kart
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Curse – The Eye of Isis
Dark Angel
Darkwatch
Deathrow
Digimon Rumble Arena
Dinotopia
Dead or Alive 3
Drake
Egg Mania
ESPN MLS Extra Time 2002
Euro 2004
F1 Championship Season 2001
Fable
Fable: The Lost Chapters
Fairly Odd Parents: Breakin' da Rules
FIFA 2003
FIFA 2004
FIFA Street 2005
FIFA World Cup 2002
Fight Night 2004
Fight Night Round 2
Ford Mustang Racing
Ford vs. Chevy
Forza Motorsport
Freedom Fighters
Frogger
Futurama
Fuzion Frenzy
Genma Onimusha
Goblin Commander
Grabbed by the Ghoulies
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto Vice City
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Gravity Games Bike: Street. Vert. Dirt.
Grooverider: Slot Car Thunder
Half-Life 2
Halo
Halo 2
Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone
He-Man: Defender of Grayskull
Hitman: Contracts
House of the Dead 3
IHRA Drag Racing 2005 Sportsman Edition
IHRA Professional Drag Racing 2005
Jade Empire
James Bond 007: Nightfire
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
Judge Dredd: Dredd vs. Death
Jurassic Park Genesis
Kabuki Warrior
Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer
Kids Next Door: Operation VIDEOGAME
kill.switch
Legends of Wrestling
Lemony Snicket A Series of Unfortunate Events
Loons Fight for Fame
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
Manhunt
Mat Hoffman's Pro BMX 2
Max Payne
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
Medal of Honor 3 Rising Sun
Medal of Honor Frontline
Medal of Honor: European Assault
Mega Man
Metal Arms: Glitch in the System
MicroMachines Odyssey
Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing
Monster Garage
Mortal Kombat: Deception
MTV Music Generator 3
Murakumo
MX World Tour - featuring Jamie Little
Namco Museum X Next Generation
NBA Live 2003
NBA Live 2004
Need For Speed: Underground 2
NFL Blitz 2002
NFL Blitz 20-03
NFL Blitz 20-04
NHL 2004
NHL Hitz 20-03
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden Black
Outlaw Golf 2
Outlaw Volleyball
Pariah
Phantom Crash
Pinball Hall of Fame
Pitfall: The Lost Expedition
Predator
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Pro Evolution Soccer 5
Pro Race Driver
PUMP IT UP
Pure Pinball
Puyo Puyo Fever
Quantum Redshift
Rayman Arena
Raze's Hell
Red Dead Revolver
Red Faction II
RedCard 20-03
Robotech: Battle Cry
Rocky: Legends
Rogue Ops
Rugby 2005
Samurai Jack
Samurai Warriors
Scooby Doo: Night of 100 Frights
Scrapland
SeaWorld: Shamu's Deep Sea Adventures
Sega GT 2002
Shadow the Hedgehog
Shellshock:Nam '67
Sid Meier's Pirates!
Simpson's Road Rage
Simpsons: Hit and Run
Sneakers
Sniper Elite: Berlin 1945
Soccer Slam
Sonic Heroes
Sonic Mega Collection
Speed Kings
Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy
Splat Renegade Paintball
SpongeBob Square Pants:Battle for Bikini Bottom
Spy Hunter 2
Spyro: A Hero's Tail
SSX 3
Stake
Star Trek: Shattered Universe
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Star Wars: Clone Wars
Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter
Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic
Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic 2
Street Racing Syndicate
Stubbs the Zombie: Rebel Without a Pulse
Super Bubble Pop
Super Monkey Ball DX
SX Superstar
Tecmo Classic Arcade
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Terminator : Dawn of Fate
Test Drive: Eve of Destruction
Tetris Worlds
The Great Escape
The Incredible Hulk
The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction
The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer
The Thing
Thief: Deadly Shadows
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4
Tony Hawk's Underground 2
Tork
Toxic Grind
Ty The Tasmanian Tiger
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 2
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger 3
Urban Freestyle Soccer
Vexx
Volvo: Drive for Life
World Series Baseball 2K
Worms 4: Mayhem
Worms Forts Under Siege
WWE Raw 2
XIII
Yourself!Fitness

P.S. I think i'll load up madden on my 360 and play it right now, i've had it since wendesday

[MZ-N10]

How can you be a Sony fan after the latest Sony/BMG fiasco?

yes the new xbox will play your old xbox games.

You'll even be able to download existing xbox games on xbox live.

And what exactly is the point of 50gb bluray? So square can make their games COMPLETE FMV movies instead of the 99% they are now?

sure wouldnt tat be sweet? i mean ur playin a game that looks like a movie. look at gt4 it already looks pretty realistic. now they managed to put 500+ cars in a 8gig disc, i wonder how many cars they can put in a 50gig disc.

[Cyrk]

XBOX 360 Backwards Compatability List

It looks like they are still going through emulation on some of the games. "The folks at Xbox® are working hard to add more of your favorite games to this list, so check back often for the latest updates."

http://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/back...ygameslist.htm

[transio]

How can you be a Sony fan after the latest Sony/BMG fiasco?

What does being a "fan" of one holding of a corporation have to do with your decision to buy gaming consoles from another of their holdings?

Allow me to draw a comparison:

"How can you buy an XBox after all the buggy Windows crap Microsoft has thrown at us?"

Answer:

"One has nothing to do with the other"

[Amack76]

excellent point

[Maugan_VX]

"How can you buy an XBox after all the buggy Windows crap Microsoft has thrown at us?"

Answer:

"One has nothing to do with the other"

Bad analogy, microsoft has released quality products year after year with free updates to newfound bugs everyday.

On the other hand, Sony attempts to load malicious spyware copy protection onto your machine. (and if you try to tell me its only possible because of windows, I'll laugh because the same thing could be written for OSX) Bad Bad Sony! When I bought a 65" sony TV, the HDTV "unit" went bad, and sony refused to replace it because it only screwed up on ~50% of the channels.

I could go on and on about the crappiness of Sony products and why they are a POS corporation, but its all ancedotal.
I'm wonder if any of these people (http://www.ps2settlement.com/) will be buying PS3's?

[transio]

So basically, what you're saying, is that your personal experience with Sony has been bad, and therefore it's your goal to hurt them in any way possible, including smack-talk on public forums.

Maugan, while I agree with you that most of Sony's products have gone way downhill, every big corporation has a bad side to it. There is no preverbial savior among them. Sure, Sony has jumped into the spyware game... one that Microsoft jumped into years ago. You don't remember all the madness about Windows XP and ME allowing MS to look into your machine? You don't remember the holy craptitude of Windows 98? Or OMG 3.1? How about the fact that Microsoft has virtually monopolized the software industry and overprices its buggy software. How about citing their NMEROUS lawsuits? Although Freeware is certainly making a stand. I've heard the new OpenOffice is badass. Anyhow, I'm getting off topic.

The point is that no big corporations are philanthropical pushovers. They do whatever it takes to make money. End of story. Should that stop you from buying either the XBox 360 or the PS3? Well, no, not in and of itself. But the wise consumer will be wary of both, and will carefully evaluate them to ensure that he's getting a quality product.

I'm already wary of the XBox after hearing the BS about emulation. Sounds like a typical MS crapware non-solution to me.

[yal^]

Here is what I hear all around at work.
The interest in 360 is horrendous. However not everyone is aware that there are going to be two options. The $300 dollar option is just Xbox 360 hat will play only games for 360. $400 option is supposed to be backwardly compatible, regardless if it's emulator or actual compatibility.

The biggest differences between both options is that $400 one is fully network ready and comes with all kinds of accessories. Also, someone might correct me on that one; $300 option does come with hard drive. You must buy it yourself.

I only hope MS learned on heir mistakes and step by step will master this platform to allow us to play ALL older games. However, we all know how monopoly works and how it makes its money. And believe me; they make more money on their accessories and games than actual Xbox.

When it comes to upgrading your TV and other systems...
Here is a tip. If you were thinking about and are almost ready you should maybe make a move soon. The biggest day in retailers’ world is coming in just under a week. It's called Black Friday and happens every year just after the Thanksgiving. Although the door busters are a great mystery until Thanksgiving evening, just Google Black Friday and take a look.

Also for impatient, who want their Xbox 360 earlier - Best Buy starts selling them on Tuesday, the 22nd. I think that's two days earlier than the rest of retailers. No rainchecks, but I know some of the stores open at midnight for a quick sale. You can give them a call and find out if there is going to be one open for business near you.

[Maugan_VX]

transio,

its not only my experiences with sony products, but many of my friends' poor experiences including a Sony X-plod head unit that caught my friend's car on fire nearly.

I realize that personal experiences shouldn't be grounds for "smack talk on public forums" however, I feel the need to let everyone know just how piss-poor their products are.

The PS3 is no exception in my eyes.

[transio]

The PS3 is no exception in my eyes.

You know people who've had PS3's catch their cars on fire?

[Dumke]

Ok I am not saying I know everything because I dont. For starters reason why (course being read and heard) that not all xbox games will be backward compatable because the 2 systems being xbox and 360 house diff video cards and they have tro pay royalties to other party which ends up costing MS more money.

Now about one system being better than the other. I guess it depends on your prefence. I love all 3. Why you ask because they are diff, yes graphics are better on xbox games than ps and GC but I have seen ps2 games i.e God of war have waay better graphics than most xobx games and well is sad but a lil game on GC called RE4 blows most of the games ps2 and xbox away. No havent played Re4 just seen from afar. You cant really say these graphics are good sure with right set up they will be good but and correct me if i am wrong developers usually dotn get the full potential of the console until years after its released. Even more so when the company comes out with a new system. So choose what you choose but dont act like a fanboy down playing the rest.

As far as the revolution... Well as nintendo says we are ok with being 3rd we are more about innovation than sales. ya thats pretty smart to me why waste money trying to be #1 when u make just as much being #3.

Ya cant wait for all 3 to come out myself but may have to go the whole buy one and ebay it to help pay for my own unless a certain someone <cough> wormgod can hook me up with his discount


edit:: oh ya and as for sony loading crap on ppls pc u cant hold that against SCEA 2 diff things I am sure icrosoft and ninetendo have done same thing, Oh and so not to leave out sega will blame them to because i know they have done something wrong.

[Maugan_VX]

Ok I am not saying I know everything because I dont. For starters reason why (course being read and heard) that not all xbox games will be backward compatable because the 2 systems being xbox and 360 house diff video cards and they have tro pay royalties to other party which ends up costing MS more money.

Now about one system being better than the other. I guess it depends on your prefence. I love all 3. Why you ask because they are diff, yes graphics are better on xbox games than ps and GC but I have seen ps2 games i.e God of war have waay better graphics than most xobx games and well is sad but a lil game on GC called RE4 blows most of the games ps2 and xbox away. No havent played Re4 just seen from afar. You cant really say these graphics are good sure with right set up they will be good but and correct me if i am wrong developers usually dotn get the full potential of the console until years after its released. Even more so when the company comes out with a new system. So choose what you choose but dont act like a fanboy down playing the rest.

As far as the revolution... Well as nintendo says we are ok with being 3rd we are more about innovation than sales. ya thats pretty smart to me why waste money trying to be #1 when u make just as much being #3.

Ya cant wait for all 3 to come out myself but may have to go the whole buy one and ebay it to help pay for my own unless a certain someone <cough> wormgod can hook me up with his discount


edit:: oh ya and as for sony loading crap on ppls pc u cant hold that against SCEA 2 diff things I am sure icrosoft and ninetendo have done same thing, Oh and so not to leave out sega will blame them to because i know they have done something wrong.

uhmm

what?

[transio]

Come on, Maugan, you know you're a MS fanboy! I seen that "Bill Gates 4 Prezzadizzle" bumper sticker on your VX!