Post of all Rims and Tires out there!

[taylorRichie]

Might want to have a link to this added to your initial post as well.

Wheel Spec Wiki Thread

This shows detailed offset images.

Also it appears as though most of the Offset specs are off...

I would say Jays are a +12mm, and the ones posted as "0" would be more like 18mm. I know Little Beasts are 15mm, mine are 10mm.

Richie

[rickshaw]

Might want to have a link to this added to your initial post as well.

Wheel Spec Wiki Thread

This shows detailed offset images.

Also it appears as though most of the Offset specs are off...

I would say Jays are a +12mm, and the ones posted as "0" would be more like 18mm. I know Little Beasts are 15mm, mine are 10mm.

Richie

Richie,
Who do think has 18mm offset?
I made the other changes and I will add your link at the bottom of the list.
As far as Jay's offset, I went to Mickey Thompson's site MT Classic Lock 16x8 6-5.5 are only available in (-12mm).

Thanks,
Gene

[nfpgasmask]

Hey Gene,

In the top pic you have of my VX, I am rolling on BFG A/Ts - LT245/70 R16, pre-OME lift.

I now have 265 75/R16 BFG Mud Terrains which you see in my close-up post above, post-OME lift.

Bart

[taylorRichie]

Richie,
Who do think has 18mm offset?
I made the other changes and I will add your link at the bottom of the list.
As far as Jay's offset, I went to Mickey Thompson's site MT Classic Lock 16x8 6-5.5 are only available in (-12mm).

Thanks,
Gene

Hey Gene, sorry didn't see this... my bad.

Jays wheels I don't believe could be -12mm, Even if that's all they are [currently] offered at. I think Ryan (little beast) can help me out a bit, but here's how it goes. (My understanding, please anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Stock wheels +18mm offset, anything less than that pushes the outward from the vehicle. If my wheels are at +10mm offset, and stick out quite a bit, then anything that sticks out less than mine would have to be between 10mm and 18mm Positive offset. Which is why I believe some of the early posted wheels are incorrect.

I think that Tom4Bren is at a 0 to +5mm offset, I'm at a +10mm and Beast is at +15mm, so based on images of our setups you could get a pretty close guess as to what people's Offset are.



Of course this makes the assumption that we all have wheels between the widths of 7" - 8.5", my wheels are 8.5" wide.

========= A little advice ============
To those of you who posted images of your vehicle, and Rickshaw has already added you to his posts, I recommend deleting your original post (or editing it) so the images aren't posted twice.

This thread is really taking off!! Good Job Rickshaw!!

[rickshaw]

I think you may be right, I made some photoshop overlays to compare offsets.

Jay's 305/70/16 (-12) vs stock (+38) 245/60-18


Little Beast 33x12.5R20 (+15) vs stock (+38) 245/60-18


Taylor Richie 33x12.5R20 (+10) vs stock (+38) 245/60-18


Calculator didn't have 33x12.5R20 so came as close in width as I could.

The side view of Jay's offset does look like (+12) not (-12).


Time to get Jay's input on this.
I will remove offsets on Jay's for now.

Gene

[LittleBeast]

Rickshaw,
once again, great work on the overlays, really helps us visual learners. Yes I would agree Jay's rims look to be around +12 to maybe even a +10 or +8, definitely not -12.

[Jolly Roger VX'er]

Hey Gene, sorry didn't see this... my bad.

Jays wheels I don't believe could be -12mm, Even if that's all they are [currently] offered at. I think Ryan (little beast) can help me out a bit, but here's how it goes. (My understanding, please anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Stock wheels +18mm offset, anything less than that pushes the outward from the vehicle. If my wheels are at +10mm offset, and stick out quite a bit, then anything that sticks out less than mine would have to be between 10mm and 18mm Positive offset. Which is why I believe some of the early posted wheels are incorrect.

I think that Tom4Bren is at a 0 to +5mm offset, I'm at a +10mm and Beast is at +15mm, so based on images of our setups you could get a pretty close guess as to what people's Offset are.



Of course this makes the assumption that we all have wheels between the widths of 7" - 8.5", my wheels are 8.5" wide.

========= A little advice ============
To those of you who posted images of your vehicle, and Rickshaw has already added you to his posts, I recommend deleting your original post (or editing it) so the images aren't posted twice.

This thread is really taking off!! Good Job Rickshaw!!

I have to respectfully disagree with some of what is said. I KNOW that my wheels are +12mm because when I ordered them I was shooting for +10mm since Daver had what I liked in stance. I'm also a stickler for re-checking part #'s on things I order to be sure I received what I asked for. The American Racing wheels I received were the same part# I ordered so in theory if I ordered 12mm offset I should have received 12mm offset.

Also, Baxman had (0) degrees offset and that put his wheels even further out as far as wheelwell is concerned compared to Daver's. More trimming of cladding there!

The stock wheels were +38mm offset IIRC. So looking at all of this as a number-line and that backspacing specs are constant....going from +38mm (tires tucked up under wheel-wells on O.E.M. wheel) to +12mm,+10mm (outer edge of tire lines up with edge of wheel-well lip) to zero offset (outer edge of tire begins to exceed past edge of wheel-well lip) to negative offset going from low to high (say -5mm out to -15mm) results in ever-wider stance with wheels pushed out past fender wheel-well lip.

I look at Jay Dunford's VX and see no problem visualizing -12mm of offset. His tires are out past the fender wheel-well lip whereas mine at +12 mm pretty much line up with edge of fender wheel-well lip. (critical in PA as fines result if tires stick out past fender wheel-well lip.)

Now where I'm not too sure....is how changes in backspacing figures into the mix. I suspect that is what is confusing us somewhat here in that backspacing may be changing on the various wheel styles???? IIRC my wheels are 4.5" backspacing.

Also, mm's are pretty small increments of measurement. When I was trying to pick out wheels that appealed to me AND were @ 10mm offset like Daver's VX; I really wanted the American Racing "Nitro" wheel. But, the closest offset it came in was zero! So, I picked the "Breaker" wheel as it was quite similar to the "Nitro" (kind of like a cousin..lol) and it was offered at 12mm offset. Only a difference of 2mm....and that was to the good in my book in that it was 2mm closer to stock....less likely for the tire to stick out past the fender wheel-well & get fined!

If I'm wrong here guys...I'm truly sorry...as this is how I perceive it and I'm not trying to mislead anyone.


P.S.--thanks Rickshaw for posting my newest pic + info and putting together an awesome thread!

[taylorRichie]

I look at Jay Dunford's VX and see no problem visualizing -12mm of offset.

???
I have a +15mm and mine stick out further, so....?


I hate wheels.

[WormGod]

FWIW (similar to Kenny's.... somewhat)



18x8.5 Enkei RT6 (0 offset - silver/clearcoated)
Pictured - Yokohama AVS 285/60-18
Stock ride height - Front well trimming

Currently - Nitto Terra Grapplers 285/60-18



(Funny enough, the pictured wheel above is the same as mine, heh)

[nfpgasmask]

This thread is great. If we had "stickies" on this forum I would say this should be up there forever! I hope this thread helps a lot of people looking for aftermarket rims and tires.

Here are two more you should add. You will have to PM the owners for their specs, but I thought I would help out with photos:

Ascinder:


ScottHarness:


Great job on this thread! Thanks!

Bart

[nfpgasmask]

BTW, does anyone have info on Swordy's winch setup? Me likey.



Bart

[tom4bren]

Sorry that I can't find any specs on my wheels. It's too difficult to make the measurements with the tires mounted on the rims. I did take one measurement that may be of interest tho: the dish is 8" deep. That's measured from the outer bead to the mounting surface of the rim.

I'll try one more time to get the rim info from the PO.

Tom

[LittleBeast]

I have to respectfully disagree with some of what is said. I KNOW that my wheels are +12mm because when I ordered them I was shooting for +10mm since Daver had what I liked in stance. I'm also a stickler for re-checking part #'s on things I order to be sure I received what I asked for. The American Racing wheels I received were the same part# I ordered so in theory if I ordered 12mm offset I should have received 12mm offset.

+12mm on a 20x8 is different than +12mm on a 20x8.5, etc. Also "where" your tires sticks out to has A LOT to do with the width of your tire. Mine happen to be 12.5" wide and hence they stick out further on my +15 offset rims than would a 11.5" tire, etc. If you look at my gallery when I was test fitting my 20x8.5 +15mm rims before I put tires onto the rims, the rims were almost perfectly in line with the front cladding, may have been a few millimeters outside of the cladding, and since the torsion bar crank pulls the front wheels just slightly in closer to the VX the rears were sticking out from the VX around 5mm more than the front, picture for reference:

And here you can see the rear tires sticking out just ever so slightly more than the fronts because of the degree of the Control Arms after lifting:

And no it is not just because of the angle of the photo, at whichever angle you look at it from the rear or front you can see just a slight difference on each side front/back, but I am talking a small difference (3-5mm).

Also, Baxman had (0) degrees offset and that put his wheels even further out as far as wheelwell is concerned compared to Daver's. More trimming of cladding there!

The stock wheels were +38mm offset IIRC. So looking at all of this as a number-line and that backspacing specs are constant....going from +38mm (tires tucked up under wheel-wells on O.E.M. wheel) to +12mm,+10mm (outer edge of tire lines up with edge of wheel-well lip) to zero offset (outer edge of tire begins to exceed past edge of wheel-well lip) to negative offset going from low to high (say -5mm out to -15mm) results in ever-wider stance with wheels pushed out past fender wheel-well lip.

Yes right on, except as you can see in my photo from above, a 20x8.5" rim with +15mm offset lines up the edge of the rim almost exactly with the edge of the cladding, down to maybe 1 or 2mm sticking out on front at the most, which means my 12.5" tires would be almost 2" wider than this on the inside and outside, so a 0 offset at anything around the same 8.5" rim that I have would indeed push not just the tire outside the wheel well, but it would in fact push the rim edge itself to outside the cladding not just the tire.

I look at Jay Dunford's VX and see no problem visualizing -12mm of offset. His tires are out past the fender wheel-well lip whereas mine at +12 mm pretty much line up with edge of fender wheel-well lip. (critical in PA as fines result if tires stick out past fender wheel-well lip.)

The reason I agree that his offset is around +10 or so is because the amount of tire sticking out looks almost identical to Taylor(+10) and myself (+15). But his tires are .5" more narrow than ours, so that is why I thought the rims might be all the way down to a +8mm or so. But you are right that his wheels were indeed a little further out than mine. I say were because if anyone was wondering Jay is now riding in style in his blacked out FJ Cruiser.

Now where I'm not too sure....is how changes in backspacing figures into the mix. I suspect that is what is confusing us somewhat here in that backspacing may be changing on the various wheel styles???? IIRC my wheels are 4.5" backspacing.

Also, mm's are pretty small increments of measurement. When I was trying to pick out wheels that appealed to me AND were @ 10mm offset like Daver's VX; I really wanted the American Racing "Nitro" wheel. But, the closest offset it came in was zero! So, I picked the "Breaker" wheel as it was quite similar to the "Nitro" (kind of like a cousin..lol) and it was offered at 12mm offset. Only a difference of 2mm....and that was to the good in my book in that it was 2mm closer to stock....less likely for the tire to stick out past the fender wheel-well & get fined!
If I'm wrong here guys...I'm truly sorry...as this is how I perceive it and I'm not trying to mislead anyone.
P.S.--thanks Rickshaw for posting my newest pic + info and putting together an awesome thread!

Here is a chart that might simplify the whole offset to backspacing thing:

From the chart if your rims are +12mm offset and 4.5" backspacing then your rims would be 7" wide, but that does not sound right either, how were you measuring your backspacing or were you given those numbers?

[Jolly Roger VX'er]

Here is a chart that might simplify the whole offset to backspacing thing:

From the chart if your rims are +12mm offset and 4.5" backspacing then your rims would be 7" wide, but that does not sound right either, how were you measuring your backspacing or were you given those numbers?

Thank you for a very clear, concise, well-written explanation to the subject at hand! kudo's. Very good chart which should come in handy for alot of VX'ers! (myself included!)

What prompted me to post (earlier) was the implication that some of the posted offset info was wrong (possibly mine being one of them.) So I spoke up mainly to draw attention to the fact that I knew my info (+12mm) was correct.

The backspacing info I gave (4.5") was in error (actually 5"); but, hopefully I covered my butt with the ole IIRC

Here is the wheel specs for my particular wheel for demo: (#614-6883)

(Part Number) - Size - Offset - Backspacing - (Bolt Circle)
(614-7882) - 17x8 - 0 - 4 1/2 - (8x6 1/2)
(614-7875) - 17x8 - 12 - 5 - (5x5 1/2)
(614-7870) - 17x8 - 12 - 4 1/2 - (8x170mm)
(614-7838) - 17x8 - 12 - 5 - (6x5 1/2)
(614-6882) - 16x8 - 0 - 4 1/2 - (8x6 1/2)
(614-6870) - 16x8 - 0 - 4 1/2 - (8x170mm)
(614-6885) - 16x8 - 0 - 4 1/2 - (5x5 1/2)
(614-6883) - 16x8 - 12 - 5 - (6x5 1/2)
(614-6873) - 16x8 - 12 - 5 - (5x5)
(614-6838) - 16x8 - 12 - 5 - (5x5 1/2)
(614-6835) - 16x8 - 0 - 4 1/2 - (5x135mm)
(614-5873) - 15x8 - (-19) - 3 3/4 - (5x5)
(614-5865) - 15x8 - (-19) - 3 3/4 - (5x4 1/2)

http://4wheelonline.com/Products.asp...ProductId=6995

Also, just an FYI for newbie wheel shoppers; check out hub (bore) dimensions(diameter) before buying as this has burned previous VX'ers in the past! (I do not recall the actual dimension for our hubs.)

[taylorRichie]

What prompted me to post (earlier) was the implication that some of the posted offset info was wrong (possibly mine being one of them.) So I spoke up mainly to draw attention to the fact that I knew my info (+12mm) was correct.

Also, just an FYI for newbie wheel shoppers; check out hub (bore) dimensions(diameter) before buying as this has burned previous VX'ers in the past! (I do not recall the actual dimension for our hubs.)

Yours were never in question... only the "0" or "Negative" offset wheels that look "normal" 0 or negative would stick out far no matter how you slice it

I believe our center bore is 100mm, but most wheels (mine included) come in a 108mm center bore. (for GMs)